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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6000 on: April 08, 2024, 02:13:32 AM »
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Do Spitfire product reps browse slap? Or is there a contact/comments page to ask them a question?

Was wondering if they're ever likely to make a wheel bearing off-set wheel that increases hangar width. The lockins don't do this as far as I'm aware.
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The Lock in wheel did that in a few older sets I had, but I think they might have changed the shape of them, so haven't seen any for a while.

Even the Lock In Full is offset, so the "inside" Tablet shaped edge is a couple of mm less than the "outside" Conical shaped edge.

If you are after a narrow wheel, any of the smaller sizes, or the Tablet shape, or even OG Classic is more narrow in overall profile, compared to some others.

I have used an angle grinder to reshape wheels on occasion, usually just to round off the corners, but I have also made some wheels a lot more asymmetrical too, when someone wanted it.


Lastly, one thing that some people have done with various wheels over the years is add extra washers to the inside, up to about five or so, put the wheel on which ever way you want, then put the axle nut on back to front, so the nyloc is on first.

The roller skate people often do this with skateboard wheels - lots use Spitfires - but as their axles are shorter and roller skate wheels are thin fitting, the nuts don't fit on as usual, so they always have to put the nuts on back to front.

It works better if the nut has been put all the way on the axle first, just to get the axle thread going, but once on, it does not come off, so you can run wheels with more washers to give more hanger width.

I just tried this (for fun) with 144s on an 8.5 board, then 149s on an 8.75 board, all with Lock In Full wheels, so the wider wheel completely covered the nut, but it works just as well for anyone.

Thanks for the info. I will shoot them a message.

I'd like a Spitfire equivalent of a Nano Cubic. My favourite wheels are Spit OG classics, and then probably Conical fulls, but I'm back using Nano Cubic wheels just because of the truck widening. I am OCD about edge of wheels lining up exactly with edge of board, and my 169s with nano cubic and 9 inch antihero align exactly. If use my OG classics I get sufficient magic carpet that it affects stability and just doesn't look or feel right. I could try switching out my 169s for Ace 77s and go back to OG classics, but that would be more of a weight increase than I want, and would steal more of my 15.2 wheelbase than indys.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6001 on: April 08, 2024, 05:11:47 AM »

-..I'd say they sound 'crisper' but they don't sound harder...like they have more treble than the bass heavy dragons or x99s...so louder? This is also at play when you are pushing.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6002 on: April 08, 2024, 08:26:20 AM »
Do Spitfire product reps browse slap? Or is there a contact/comments page to ask them a question?

Was wondering if they're ever likely to make a wheel bearing off-set wheel that increases hangar width. The lockins don't do this as far as I'm aware.

They had made a Radial offset wheel that was apart of the Grimplestix Freestyle completes a couple years back. 

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6003 on: April 08, 2024, 09:34:33 AM »
Some of you are going to be stoked... looks like they are re-formulating the 97As.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6004 on: April 08, 2024, 11:32:02 AM »
What will the improvement be with the reformulation? Anymore info?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6005 on: April 08, 2024, 11:54:56 AM »
Very little info. Just saw the Fall drop 1 catalog.

“Reformulated for slide and speed.” Radial shape in 55 and 57. Pedro Delfino model. I know he digs the current 97a.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6006 on: April 08, 2024, 01:16:40 PM »
It’s gotta be the 93a but in 97a formula, right? That makes the most sense
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6007 on: April 08, 2024, 01:51:28 PM »
I just got a set of the 93a Classics. What is the most interesting about them is the packaging. You know how the backside of the cardboard insert has the wheel types and sizes? Well, they finally updated it. Classics. OG Classics. Conical. Conical Full. Radial. Radial Full. Lock-Ins. Lock-In Full. They finally removed Radial Slims...and that is a travesty.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6008 on: April 08, 2024, 02:50:08 PM »
Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6009 on: April 08, 2024, 02:58:07 PM »
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-..I'd say they sound 'crisper' but they don't sound harder...like they have more treble than the bass heavy dragons or x99s...so louder? This is also at play when you are pushing.
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Ha yeah, it was a trip and something I would never normally do on any of my own setups, but some others do it quite often, so I had to see if or how it worked.

Turns out it does, but I would never want to have the back of the nut hit me in the shin or anywhere else, hence the super wide wheel which totally covers the nut in the test runs.

People who skated that board didn't notice or feel any difference, but when you look at it, you can totally trip out on it.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6010 on: April 08, 2024, 03:38:49 PM »
Very little info. Just saw the Fall drop 1 catalog.

“Reformulated for slide and speed.” Radial shape in 55 and 57. Pedro Delfino model. I know he digs the current 97a.

Excellent. The 93s are heaps better than the current 97a and on par with the harder x-formulas; that 'thane harder @97a? Gonna be the sweet spot and might give the 99a spits a run for their money...and for sure out feel/sound the x99s.

Now make them in a radial slim 52mm please =D
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6011 on: April 08, 2024, 06:25:54 PM »
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Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?
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I skated 97a 53 classics for about a month and just skated the 93a 54 radial for about 2 hours.  Better in smoothness, slide and holding speed.  I skated them on rough asphalt and a super smooth concrete basketball court and they skated well all around.  I’m sold on them over the 97’s if you like to skate everything.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6012 on: April 08, 2024, 06:40:38 PM »
Very little info. Just saw the Fall drop 1 catalog.

“Reformulated for slide and speed.” Radial shape in 55 and 57. Pedro Delfino model. I know he digs the current 97a.
Can you post or link the catalogue?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6013 on: April 08, 2024, 06:43:26 PM »
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Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?
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Exactly what I wanna know
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I skated 97a 53 classics for about a month and just skated the 93a 54 radial for about 2 hours.  Better in smoothness, slide and holding speed.  I skated them on rough asphalt and a super smooth concrete basketball court and they skated well all around.  I’m sold on them over the 97’s if you like to skate everything.

I’ve skated 97a Classics on some crustier stuff. They were good. I was mostly concerned with how the 93a stacked up against 97a, so this is certainly interesting to hear. I’ll give mine the first spin tomorrow. Will report back.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6014 on: April 08, 2024, 06:47:15 PM »
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Very little info. Just saw the Fall drop 1 catalog.

“Reformulated for slide and speed.” Radial shape in 55 and 57. Pedro Delfino model. I know he digs the current 97a.
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Can you post or link the catalogue?

I'm not sure DLX would appreciate that.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6015 on: April 08, 2024, 07:16:08 PM »
I just got a set of the 93a Classics. What is the most interesting about them is the packaging. You know how the backside of the cardboard insert has the wheel types and sizes? Well, they finally updated it. Classics. OG Classics. Conical. Conical Full. Radial. Radial Full. Lock-Ins. Lock-In Full. They finally removed Radial Slims...and that is a travesty.



Another drop, another day without Radial Slims.

Spitfire thanking Bones for showing there's a market for softer wheels.

I believe Bones made a better product especially with the X97 / X99, with shapes that are distinct from each other, but were let down by their branding / marketing. Now Sptifire is swooping in to steal their lunch, again.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6016 on: April 08, 2024, 07:21:15 PM »
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I just got a set of the 93a Classics. What is the most interesting about them is the packaging. You know how the backside of the cardboard insert has the wheel types and sizes? Well, they finally updated it. Classics. OG Classics. Conical. Conical Full. Radial. Radial Full. Lock-Ins. Lock-In Full. They finally removed Radial Slims...and that is a travesty.
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Another drop, another day without Radial Slims.

Spitfire thanking Bones for showing there's a market for softer wheels.

I believe Bones made a better product especially with the X97 / X99, with shapes that are distinct from each other, but were let down by their branding / marketing. Now Sptifire is swooping in to steal their lunch, again.

This means we need Powell to produce a Radial
Slim…and then Spitfire will. Eventually.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6017 on: April 08, 2024, 07:30:48 PM »
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I just got a set of the 93a Classics. What is the most interesting about them is the packaging. You know how the backside of the cardboard insert has the wheel types and sizes? Well, they finally updated it. Classics. OG Classics. Conical. Conical Full. Radial. Radial Full. Lock-Ins. Lock-In Full. They finally removed Radial Slims...and that is a travesty.
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Another drop, another day without Radial Slims.

Spitfire thanking Bones for showing there's a market for softer wheels.

I believe Bones made a better product especially with the X97 / X99, with shapes that are distinct from each other, but were let down by their branding / marketing. Now Sptifire is swooping in to steal their lunch, again.
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This means we need Powell to produce a Radial
Slim…and then Spitfire will. Eventually.

brb, going to flood Bones' insta with request for a V5 with a rounder edge.
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FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

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STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6018 on: April 08, 2024, 08:00:18 PM »
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Very little info. Just saw the Fall drop 1 catalog.

“Reformulated for slide and speed.” Radial shape in 55 and 57. Pedro Delfino model. I know he digs the current 97a.
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Can you post or link the catalogue?
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I'm not sure DLX would appreciate that.


Anyone who is in a shop, or has an account through DLX directly or via one of their many distributors worldwide has access to see catalogs and order product before they come out, but for everyone else, they really only get to see if they have "special access" via a friend, or associated person, so really it is best to wait until said products are released via the normal media, socials or on their specific brand pages.

Of course product info does slip out from time to time, but from a shop account perspective, these things are actually pretty well guarded and a shop person can get in to some trouble for posting or releasing info before due time.

Be it on their own heads if anyone chooses to do so, but accounts have been suspended or cancelled for similar things in the past.


The other side of it, fully understandable, that the average skater wants to know and is very hungry for more information with regard to details of new products, shapes, sizes, etc and it is human nature to get excited about things like this, so of course when there is specific info on a new formula, a different duro wheel, whatever it is, hot damn people are going to want to talk about it, see pics of it, hear more about it and it could be said, this is the best place to hear it first, for any and every other normal person not associated with said brand, through distribution, shop or other business interest.


* I haven't seen the catalog yet, but I would be stoked to hear of an "improved" formula there too, as I have 97 duro wheels on a few boards and they sell fairly well for the rougher / more slippery surfaces that people I know ride them on too.



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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6019 on: April 08, 2024, 08:20:49 PM »
To be clear I haven't worked in a skate shop in decades and have no real inside industry connections. I've just had some success internet sleuthing for future releases of products I'm stoked on, such as wheel welled Huffers and 97a F4s. You could probably find them also.

or perhaps...

I'm doing some not-so-subtle gurellia hyping up for DLXSF... I'm not sure... I could be a brainwash victim... what's in it for me Lenny?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6020 on: April 08, 2024, 09:51:46 PM »
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I just got a set of the 93a Classics. What is the most interesting about them is the packaging. You know how the backside of the cardboard insert has the wheel types and sizes? Well, they finally updated it. Classics. OG Classics. Conical. Conical Full. Radial. Radial Full. Lock-Ins. Lock-In Full. They finally removed Radial Slims...and that is a travesty.
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Another drop, another day without Radial Slims.

Spitfire thanking Bones for showing there's a market for softer wheels.

I believe Bones made a better product especially with the X97 / X99, with shapes that are distinct from each other, but were let down by their branding / marketing. Now Sptifire is swooping in to steal their lunch, again.
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This means we need Powell to produce a Radial
Slim…and then Spitfire will. Eventually.

The V2 is essentially a radial slim (rounded edges vs the straight cut tablets).

Sadly the V2 and V5 in regs STF are all but extinct (you can still find the last drop of V5s out there tho). Even the SkateOne site is just V1/V3s


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6021 on: April 08, 2024, 10:58:36 PM »
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Do Spitfire product reps browse slap? Or is there a contact/comments page to ask them a question?

Was wondering if they're ever likely to make a wheel bearing off-set wheel that increases hangar width. The lockins don't do this as far as I'm aware.
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They had made a Radial offset wheel that was apart of the Grimplestix Freestyle completes a couple years back.

Thanks for this. I had a look on ebay to see if I could find them, but no luck.

Also, if anyone is interested, I asked Powell if they had any plans for a 99A nano cubic - I was told they do not, but they will forward my request to relevant dept. I was also told they will be releasing some more shapes in fall of this year.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6022 on: April 08, 2024, 11:35:54 PM »
Bones' marketing with regards to X-Formula did really suck ass. Which is a shame, as the product is excellent. Look at Spitfire, just taking over the media space with the new 93. Yeah, they have Andrew Reynolds, but Bones aren't exactly lacking in interesting riders. Plus Spitfire outperform Bones 93-0 with regards to art direction and visuals.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6023 on: April 09, 2024, 12:15:59 AM »
Bones' marketing with regards to X-Formula did really suck ass. Which is a shame, as the product is excellent. Look at Spitfire, just taking over the media space with the new 93. Yeah, they have Andrew Reynolds, but Bones aren't exactly lacking in interesting riders. Plus Spitfire outperform Bones 93-0 with regards to art direction and visuals.

Bones - put Jaws at the center of the X97 / 99 marketing push
Spitfire - put Andrew Reynolds at the center of the 93a marketing push
Bones - "fuck"
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6024 on: April 09, 2024, 12:30:07 AM »
can’t wait for the new 97s, 97a radial 57mm sounds like a dream. i have no issues with the way they skate as is but hopefully the new formula wears away slower because that is my only problem with the 97a

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6025 on: April 09, 2024, 01:07:17 PM »
Ok, here is part of what I wrote about the 93a Classics on a Facebook Group...

I went to Texas two years ago, and knew I was going to be skating some crusty ditches. My usually 99a Classics might be a bit too hard for those situations. So, I bought a set of the 97a Classics for that trip. Those wheels were great for crust, and I started using them for rougher spots in my local area, too.

Now, these 93a wheels are out. Much internet consternation has surfaced about how the 97a and 93a compare to each other. I figured I give them a shot, considering how much I liked the 97s (in some situations). People seemed to be saying the 93a was actually better overall than the 97a. Are they?

So, my set of the 93a came yesterday. I skated them today for a while, in place where they should perform *the worst*: a smooth skatepark. Here are my thoughts:

Speed: Slower than my 99a, but not nearly as much as I expected, and this kind of shocked me. I was expecting something really sluggish, and they were not, at all. They had great speed for a 93a wheel. No real complaints here.

Sound: I hate the sound of soft wheels. They created this water-logged thud noise, and these certainly had the “soft wheel sound” to them. I was not a fan of this.

Feel: I am also not a big fan of how soft wheels feel. They are spongey, bouncy, gooey, and don’t feel as responsive as harder wheels. The 93a Spitfires also had a lot of this going on, but again, not as bad as I expected. Didn’t hate it, but def liked the feel of my 99a better.

Grip/Slide: Soft wheels grip. A lot. Everyone knows that. To that end, I was surprised by 93a Spits. They certainly had some grip, but I also didn’t have ANY problem with them doing revert tricks on the ramps. I was expecting these tricks to be really compromised by softer wheels, but they simply were not. However, they also did grip a bit more when I wanted them to. In my older years, F/S rock n rolls on ramps have become a “MEH” trick for me. I now stall them out too long, and don’t snap them around fast enough anymore. The result is that I sometimes bail them because I start sliding/slipping down the ramp when I am half-way out of them. Even when I do make them, they feel “slippy” turning back in. With the 93a Spits, my f/s rocks felt totally “locked,” and were the most confident ones I’ve done in years, because the wheels gripped a bit more.

Grinds: I didn’t notice and real stick on grinds. Feeble/smith grinds on a two-sided curb felt fine. As did 50-50s and 5-0s on ledges. No issue with side of wheel grabbing against the edges.

Nose/Tailslides: Didn’t have a problem with these. If you ride Thunder trucks (e.g. shorter baseplate/more wheel catch), you may have a different outcome.

Lipslides/Boardslides/Blunt slides on 1-sided Ledge: Did not try any of these. TBA. My gut says there will be stick problems, because of how they powerslid (see below), but my gut was also wrong about a lot with these.

Powerslides on flat: Def more grippy than my 99a, but I could make them slide, but not as good.

Overall: They performed much better than I expected them to *at a smooth skate park*, which is NOT what they are really designed for. The real test is going to be when I get them in some real crust later this week…if the rain goes away. More later.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6026 on: April 09, 2024, 01:19:39 PM »
Ok, here is part of what I wrote about the 93a Classics on a Facebook Group...

I went to Texas two years ago, and knew I was going to be skating some crusty ditches. My usually 99a Classics might be a bit too hard for those situations. So, I bought a set of the 97a Classics for that trip. Those wheels were great for crust, and I started using them for rougher spots in my local area, too.

Now, these 93a wheels are out. Much internet consternation has surfaced about how the 97a and 93a compare to each other. I figured I give them a shot, considering how much I liked the 97s (in some situations). People seemed to be saying the 93a was actually better overall than the 97a. Are they?

So, my set of the 93a came yesterday. I skated them today for a while, in place where they should perform *the worst*: a smooth skatepark. Here are my thoughts:

Speed: Slower than my 99a, but not nearly as much as I expected, and this kind of shocked me. I was expecting something really sluggish, and they were not, at all. They had great speed for a 93a wheel. No real complaints here.

Sound: I hate the sound of soft wheels. They created this water-logged thud noise, and these certainly had the “soft wheel sound” to them. I was not a fan of this.

Feel: I am also not a big fan of how soft wheels feel. They are spongey, bouncy, gooey, and don’t feel as responsive as harder wheels. The 93a Spitfires also had a lot of this going on, but again, not as bad as I expected. Didn’t hate it, but def liked the feel of my 99a better.

Grip/Slide: Soft wheels grip. A lot. Everyone knows that. To that end, I was surprised by 93a Spits. They certainly had some grip, but I also didn’t have ANY problem with them doing revert tricks on the ramps. I was expecting these tricks to be really compromised by softer wheels, but they simply were not. However, they also did grip a bit more when I wanted them to. In my older years, F/S rock n rolls on ramps have become a “MEH” trick for me. I now stall them out too long, and don’t snap them around fast enough anymore. The result is that I sometimes bail them because I start sliding/slipping down the ramp when I am half-way out of them. Even when I do make them, they feel “slippy” turning back in. With the 93a Spits, my f/s rocks felt totally “locked,” and were the most confident ones I’ve done in years, because the wheels gripped a bit more.

Grinds: I didn’t notice and real stick on grinds. Feeble/smith grinds on a two-sided curb felt fine. As did 50-50s and 5-0s on ledges. No issue with side of wheel grabbing against the edges.

Nose/Tailslides: Didn’t have a problem with these. If you ride Thunder trucks (e.g. shorter baseplate/more wheel catch), you may have a different outcome.

Lipslides/Boardslides/Blunt slides on 1-sided Ledge: Did not try any of these. TBA.

Powerslides on flat: Def more grippy than my 99a, but I could make them slide, but not as good.

Overall: They performed much better than I expected them to *at a smooth skate park*, which is NOT what they are really designed for. The real test is going to be when I get them in some real crust later this week…if the rain goes away. More later.

Good and detailed write up.  I agree about maintaining speed and sliding on smooth ground, they aren’t 99’s but they aren’t nearly as hindering on smooth ground as other soft/slide options. 

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6027 on: April 09, 2024, 01:24:14 PM »
I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.
That's terrible. I love the 97. None of my 97s got chips. They nice and white. They do the job around here.

If was over there I'd buy up everything you got over 55mm

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6028 on: April 09, 2024, 01:56:21 PM »

 However, they also did grip a bit more when I wanted them to. In my older years, F/S rock n rolls on ramps have become a “MEH” trick for me. I now stall them out too long, and don’t snap them around fast enough anymore. The result is that I sometimes bail them because I start sliding/slipping down the ramp when I am half-way out of them. Even when I do make them, they feel “slippy” turning back in. With the 93a Spits, my f/s rocks felt totally “locked,” and were the most confident ones I’ve done in years, because the wheels gripped a bit more.



As a connoisseur of the Front Rock, you have now made me even more anxious to set my 93s up... However, I want you to know, that stalling the front rock (as long as its decked and checked) is quite OK. Nothing wrong with a brief tea break before re-entry.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6029 on: April 09, 2024, 02:48:15 PM »
I’m an outlier, front rocks should be slapped.