Spitfire formula four

[Sedition]

From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?

Looks like a...ThuIndy (ThIndy??).

[DERBY]

maybe the new thunders. maybe new the indys. can always be indy. nhs’ identity crisis is always at a constant

[Jackismydogsname]

Has anyone skated a metal surfaced ramp with the 93s?
Riding the Dragons made me realize I scoot a lot on a mini ramp and those grab in bad way.
Mason's fakie flip he just posted is straight up and down 😉

[Sedition]

Has anyone skated a metal surfaced ramp with the 93s?

I skated a 4' tall metal mini on mine for about 5 min, and a ton of other smaller metal ramps and banks. As I mentioned before, I was super worried about revert stuff (esp on the smaller, more mellow ramps where you have to push/force it around more), and didn't have any real issues. Yeah, 99a is easier, but I never once thought, "Didn't make that because of wheel grip."

I'd really like to try a 97a in this formula.

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From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?

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Looks like a...ThuIndy (ThIndy??).

Thinder.

[Fasttimes]

Before these 93A I had some 97A 55 OG Classics
(I think, it's that or conical fulls) for rougher spots. I needed the diameter and the softer compound. I did try Dragons in 54 and the widest X99 shape. I have the 93A in 54 Radials and they're faster than the OG and the setup feels less clunky due to the smaller width and diameter. I woulda gotten 53s had my shop had em. Normally I like around a 53 so they wear into 52s so these would enable me to ride the same setup more or less at all spots.

With that said I think they're better than the X99 just because they revert with more control and just better overall. More fun to skate in transition as a result. They still can squeal and drag, but all these wheels do. I do find that when they do they don't just halt.

The Bones wheels are still good they just don't have as attractive of marketing or team riders.

Can you push a tailslide with 93s? I just don't understand. I grew up with those soft wheels, I don't understand why they are coming back. I know, myself, would stick hard with 93s on a pushed in tailslide (pushed meaning leaning back and using object for movement). Maybe I'm not getting it. . . How do you speed check for red light if you need to get a couple seconds before you cross? 99s can do a lot of versatility in a street environment. Dressen did kill with softer wheels though, I am over thinking this maybe.

[Frank and Fred]

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Before these 93A I had some 97A 55 OG Classics
(I think, it's that or conical fulls) for rougher spots. I needed the diameter and the softer compound. I did try Dragons in 54 and the widest X99 shape. I have the 93A in 54 Radials and they're faster than the OG and the setup feels less clunky due to the smaller width and diameter. I woulda gotten 53s had my shop had em. Normally I like around a 53 so they wear into 52s so these would enable me to ride the same setup more or less at all spots.

With that said I think they're better than the X99 just because they revert with more control and just better overall. More fun to skate in transition as a result. They still can squeal and drag, but all these wheels do. I do find that when they do they don't just halt.

The Bones wheels are still good they just don't have as attractive of marketing or team riders.

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Can you push a tailslide with 93s? I just don't understand. I grew up with those soft wheels, I don't understand why they are coming back. I know, myself, would stick hard with 93s on a pushed in tailslide (pushed meaning leaning back and using object for movement). Maybe I'm not getting it. . . How do you speed check for red light if you need to get a couple seconds before you cross? 99s can do a lot of versatility in a street environment. Dressen did kill with softer wheels though, I am over thinking this maybe.

That's the whole point of these new wheels (Soft sliders, Dragons, X formula etc) They've finally figured out how to make soft wheels slide better.

[Ok]

From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?

the hanger reminds me of the early ventures my grade school friend had. the deck was a thiebaud super hero graphic. all of this is very hazy. maybe 1989?

if they do a t2, i’ll of course NEED to buy/try.
and this is after realizing that i have more trucks than i’ll be able to use (i probably have like 10 ish sets of sorta tried trucks, that i might want to come back to using).
every post i make could go into gear madness.

[JimmyFive]

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Before these 93A I had some 97A 55 OG Classics
(I think, it's that or conical fulls) for rougher spots. I needed the diameter and the softer compound. I did try Dragons in 54 and the widest X99 shape. I have the 93A in 54 Radials and they're faster than the OG and the setup feels less clunky due to the smaller width and diameter. I woulda gotten 53s had my shop had em. Normally I like around a 53 so they wear into 52s so these would enable me to ride the same setup more or less at all spots.

With that said I think they're better than the X99 just because they revert with more control and just better overall. More fun to skate in transition as a result. They still can squeal and drag, but all these wheels do. I do find that when they do they don't just halt.

The Bones wheels are still good they just don't have as attractive of marketing or team riders.

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Can you push a tailslide with 93s? I just don't understand. I grew up with those soft wheels, I don't understand why they are coming back. I know, myself, would stick hard with 93s on a pushed in tailslide (pushed meaning leaning back and using object for movement). Maybe I'm not getting it. . . How do you speed check for red light if you need to get a couple seconds before you cross? 99s can do a lot of versatility in a street environment. Dressen did kill with softer wheels though, I am over thinking this maybe.

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That's the whole point of these new wheels (Soft sliders, Dragons, X formula etc) They've finally figured out how to make soft wheels slide better.

There are still places the cacophony of hype does not yet reach.

[Frank and Fred]

I'd to like to visit these sacred lands where we can be pure again.

[Banned from the room]

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From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?

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Looks like a...ThuIndy (ThIndy??).

[close]

Thinder.

Looking tracker. You know before they jumped on Ventures dick after Tensor got off

[CarcassToss]

From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?

These are the T2 that I saw! It's like section where the Venture wings would be are taller top to bottom. If you go back several months in Thrasher and on Instagram you'll see this hanger a lot more than you realized.

[Xen]

So after regular sessions on the 93s I've moved on and I'm back on 103a (V3 STFs...until radial slims make a comeback).

Not because the wheels are bad - they're great, JUST like dragons are - but after the x99s, *I* just don't need that much rebound for where I skate (YMMV of course); I've got them in my skate bag with bearings ready to go for that random spot that sucks.

Really hope they lessen the rebound for the 97s (bones didn't); would gladly take half the rebound removed from the 93s to have the 97z feel a bit more normal.

[CarcassToss]

I tried the X99 and the dull gummy sound of dropping my board with 93's is a bit jarring to hear, but the 93's seem to slide better on skatepark coping than my x99. I had a session where I was grinding some metal coping in a bowl and the X99 caught a particularly dry section and pitched me. Our parks are built by the same company I believe and they all use this square-ish coping that seems to be particularly sticky if not waxed after it's broken in. I was definitely getting some stick even on back noses with the X99, but so far haven't had any big sticks with the 93s.

With that said I just don't ride rough enough terrain on the daily to really needed 93s. I used to ride bigger conical fulls at crustier spots and while smaller 93s feel equivalently fast, I got really used to how the bigger wheels popped and locked in and it hasn't been a super smooth transition.

[Ok]

I tried the X99 and the dull gummy sound of dropping my board with 93's is a bit jarring to hear, but the 93's seem to slide better on skatepark coping than my x99. I had a session where I was grinding some metal coping in a bowl and the X99 caught a particularly dry section and pitched me. Our parks are built by the same company I believe and they all use this square-ish coping that seems to be particularly sticky if not waxed after it's broken in. I was definitely getting some stick even on back noses with the X99, but so far haven't had any big sticks with the 93s.

With that said I just don't ride rough enough terrain on the daily to really needed 93s. I used to ride bigger conical fulls at crustier spots and while smaller 93s feel equivalently fast, I got really used to how the bigger wheels popped and locked in and it hasn't been a super smooth transition.

i hear you on the pop and lock of conical fulls, but what about the flip? i think i only had one conical full setup that flipped decently. those things bummed me out. so of course i bought multiple sets, and then some radial fulls, just to be sure. nope. couldn’t scoop a tre to save a life

[rikki]

So after regular sessions on the 93s I've moved on and I'm back on 103a (V3 STFs...until radial slims make a comeback).

Not because the wheels are bad - they're great, JUST like dragons are - but after the x99s, *I* just don't need that much rebound for where I skate (YMMV of course); I've got them in my skate bag with bearings ready to go for that random spot that sucks.

Really hope they lessen the rebound for the 97s (bones didn't); would gladly take half the rebound removed from the 93s to have the 97z feel a bit more normal.

As a fellow X99 enthusiast (best wheel ever?), I'd like to know how you compare the speed of the 93s to the X99s?

[Schinken]

Got myself a set of those spitfire 93a in the conical shape.

First impressions:

When comparing spitfires 93 and dragons, the only thing they have in common, is the number printed on the wheels.

The spitfires feel way harder and rattely, almost like a normal wheel. I cannot believe that these wheels are supposed to be 93a.

Good slide and overall feel.

I'd say crusty spots -> dragons/x formula, old parks/medium crust->spitfire 93a

[moonordie]

Got myself a set of those spitfire 93a in the conical shape.

First impressions:

When comparing spitfires 93 and dragons, the only thing they have in common, is the number printed on the wheels.

The spitfires feel way harder and rattely, almost like a normal wheel. I cannot believe that these wheels are supposed to be 93a.

Good slide and overall feel.

I'd say crusty spots -> dragons/x formula, old parks/medium crust->spitfire 93a

I thought they only had classics and radials.

[Schinken]

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Got myself a set of those spitfire 93a in the conical radial shape.

First impressions:

When comparing spitfires 93 and dragons, the only thing they have in common, is the number printed on the wheels.

The spitfires feel way harder and rattely, almost like a normal wheel. I cannot believe that these wheels are supposed to be 93a.

Good slide and overall feel.

I'd say crusty spots -> dragons/x formula, old parks/medium crust->spitfire 93a

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I thought they only had classics and radials.

Sorry, radial shape

[rawbertson.]

imo they are only slightly less cruisery than dragons. they still feel like they are absorbing a decent amount of the vibration, but they seem to carry the speed way way better which is what i care more about / seems to be spitfires design philosphy

i have 2 sets of 95a wheels from OJ and the spitfires still feel more cushiony than those do by a long shot. the slide is laughably bad on the OJs in comparison, but those formulas are a lot older and those wheels are probably 1/4 the price. the skinnier tread does a lot better but still have a hard time wanting to ride anything besides spitfires.

[Kaezan]

imo they are only slightly less cruisery than dragons. they still feel like they are absorbing a decent amount of the vibration, but they seem to carry the speed way way better which is what i care more about / seems to be spitfires design philosphy

i have 2 sets of 95a wheels from OJ and the spitfires still feel more cushiony than those do by a long shot. the slide is laughably bad on the OJs in comparison, but those formulas are a lot older and those wheels are probably 1/4 the price. the skinnier tread does a lot better but still have a hard time wanting to ride anything besides spitfires.

I agree. I had been riding X Formula 97a for a while before I got my 93a from Spitfire, and going off the same drops, I can feel a noticeable difference in cushion compared to the X97 wheels. The Spitfire 93A is definitely softer.

However, I had the Dragons 93a last year for a few weeks, and I do remember thinking those were softer.... not that it's necessarily a good thing. So far, I like these Spitfires a lot more. I like the noise from them and their feel more than the Dragons. I never liked how quiet the Dragons were.

The formulas are different, so 93a on one company will feel much different on another. I also have a 97a from Spitfire that feels much different than the X97 (X97 feels softer).  It's the same thing with bushings, etc... The durometer numbers are almost arbitrary and company specific, tbh.

[CarcassToss]

They revert and slide better for me and are as fast as the X99 at my skateparks so I don't care about the bounce.

[dstrytruitt]

One session in and I like the 93 classics on slick masonite. Not much difference between the 93 and 97 that I can tell so far.

[Frank and Fred]

Wish there were a few more slide tricks in this little promo. But Reynolds' ender makes the main point...

[fakiefs180]

Wish there were a few more slide tricks in this little promo. But Reynolds' ender makes the main point...

Just saw that on my Youtube feed and wanted to share with the pals. Reynolds and Mariano in one clip?! Hell yeah.

[RichardBarkley]

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Wonderful, all the V6 shape take has me thinking I want to try a set in 54mm.

Thanks Slap.

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Hate to add fuel to the fire, but I really really like my x99 56mm V6s. Felt a little sticky at first with the xformula and the wider contact patch coming from V5s, but now I don’t ever want to go back. Plus the aesthetics.

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X99 in V6 are amazing, I picked up the 54mm blk ones and I swear they are harder/louder than white x99s. Pretty much a radial...speaking of radials...just listen to how good they sound. (also when did he bounce from Indy?)

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Not sure if Mason bounced, but DLX is pushing a lot of riders that are not on a DLX truck to ride one. The new T2 supposedly is going to be a different turn (according to my shop owner who has been testing a pair) and sort of an Indy/Ace orientation. I could see Mason being one of the riders they push to switch since most of Real rides Thunders.

What's this about a T2? Are they going to replace the original Thunder design?

I just settled on hollow thunders and I fucking love them. Why would they fuck with it.

[Xen]

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Wonderful, all the V6 shape take has me thinking I want to try a set in 54mm.

Thanks Slap.

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Hate to add fuel to the fire, but I really really like my x99 56mm V6s. Felt a little sticky at first with the xformula and the wider contact patch coming from V5s, but now I don’t ever want to go back. Plus the aesthetics.

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X99 in V6 are amazing, I picked up the 54mm blk ones and I swear they are harder/louder than white x99s. Pretty much a radial...speaking of radials...just listen to how good they sound. (also when did he bounce from Indy?)

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Not sure if Mason bounced, but DLX is pushing a lot of riders that are not on a DLX truck to ride one. The new T2 supposedly is going to be a different turn (according to my shop owner who has been testing a pair) and sort of an Indy/Ace orientation. I could see Mason being one of the riders they push to switch since most of Real rides Thunders.

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What's this about a T2? Are they going to replace the original Thunder design?

I just settled on hollow thunders and I fucking love them. Why would they fuck with it.

Because they're listening to their riders?

These links jump back and forth between the spit and thunder thread and have the speculative information you seek:

Spit thread (where we are now)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4187555#msg4187555

Thunder thread
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg4187839#msg4187839

[Sedition]

Why would they fuck with it.

Why? Simple. Because Thunders suck and they are •finally• trying to do something about it.

[iw0]

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Why would they fuck with it.

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Why? Simple. Because Thunders suck and they are •finally• trying to do something about it.

brutal but true. how many iterations has thunder even gone through? venture's had a few tweaks, obviously indy too, someone drop some knowledge for me

[Xen]

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Why would they fuck with it.

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Why? Simple. Because Thunders suck and they are •finally• trying to do something about it.

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brutal but true. how many iterations has thunder even gone through? venture's had a few tweaks, obviously indy too, someone drop some knowledge for me

"A few tweaks"



The info you seek is here:

THE THUNDER THREAD
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.msg4122001;topicseen#msg4122001