Spitfire formula four

[Sedition]

Expand Quote

is anyone skating lock-in fulls?
what do you like about them?

i’m not trying to be convinced, but i am curious.
please and thanks

[close]

I did for a good 3 months or so, the 55mm ones. Mainly to annoy @Sedition  .

LOL!

But I tend to look silly on my board anyway, so who cares.

THIS is the way/enlightenment.

[Síota]

Expand Quote

Anyone got the full listing etc of the grimple stix Collab?

[close]

Headlining items:

https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/skate-goods

https://dlxskateshop.com/search?q=grimple

Thanks!

[144p]

is anyone skating lock-in fulls?
what do you like about them?

i’m not trying to be convinced, but i am curious.
please and thanks

I was skating them a while back, on crusty spots the wider wheels cut through the rough spots better in 99. Now I’m riding 97 or 93 and it’s obviously much better. The wheels are tanks though and now looking at them after riding radials they seem a bit silly.

[Ok]

Expand Quote

is anyone skating lock-in fulls?
what do you like about them?

i’m not trying to be convinced, but i am curious.
please and thanks

[close]

I was skating them a while back, on crusty spots the wider wheels cut through the rough spots better in 99. Now I’m riding 97 or 93 and it’s obviously much better. The wheels are tanks though and now looking at them after riding radials they seem a bit silly.

my 56 99a radial fulls look silly, but i’ve been enjoying them well enough. the size and shape allows me to skate a variety of surfaces with the familiarity of the 99a formula (feels and sounds ‘correct’). i thought the size and weight would mess with me more than it has, not that i’m ripping, but it’s not as dire on the flip trick front as i thought it’d be.

are folks flipping the lock-in rule around, so they aren’t in full lock in mode? or just running them until they cone too bad, and then binning them? (ala these sick oj II wheels, in pink, and i believe freestyle, that my neighbor had way back when).

@144p are you skating the new 97s, or the previous 97s? i have some of the 1st generation f4 97s, 56 classics, and they skate well enough. maybe i should give them more chances, i was just kinda meh feeling with those. x99s, in my very limited time with them, felt better than the 97s i tried.


thanks for all of the replies. i also have come to realize i look like a goof on board, so im just going with it.

[144p]

If I’m skating 97 it’s the updated formula.
Last few weeks just been skating 93’s everywhere.
Just a bit too lazy to switch setups.

[dstrytruitt]

is anyone skating lock-in fulls?
what do you like about them?

i’m not trying to be convinced, but i am curious.
please and thanks

Skating 54s now. Miniramp sessions with pool coping and they do feel locked-in. I'm a tranny guy and I dig the width a bunch.

[smg1138]

If I’m skating 97 it’s the updated formula.
Last few weeks just been skating 93’s everywhere.
Just a bit too lazy to switch setups.

How does the new formula compare to the old formula?

[Ok]

If I’m skating 97 it’s the updated formula.
Last few weeks just been skating 93’s everywhere.
Just a bit too lazy to switch setups.

haven’t tried them yet, the 93s, i’m sure they work for everything i actually want to skate well enough. the bigger wheels/softer formulas, combined with me getting older and less able, less time to work on ‘tricks’, well what im trying to get at is that i’ve been having more and more fun skating for transportation, just cruising and the occasional ollie.
this may sound like an obvious thing, just enjoying the what i can sort of do, but i most often find myself sequestered away on some flatground, just pounding my bones to dust doing crap 360 flip attempts, or whatever.

[PalaceButtPlug]

these 93's have turned my local crust into marble spanish plaza ground

[Xen]

Expand Quote

If I’m skating 97 it’s the updated formula.
Last few weeks just been skating 93’s everywhere.
Just a bit too lazy to switch setups.

[close]

haven’t tried them yet, the 93s, i’m sure they work for everything i actually want to skate well enough. the bigger wheels/softer formulas, combined with me getting older and less able, less time to work on ‘tricks’, well what im trying to get at is that i’ve been having more and more fun skating for transportation, just cruising and the occasional ollie.
this may sound like an obvious thing, just enjoying the what i can sort of do, but i most often find myself sequestered away on some flatground, just pounding my bones to dust doing crap 360 flip attempts, or whatever.

I'd still want an updated 97a formula for that. I can't abide the 93s or x97s unless I'm just at a super crust spot (which is rare, none local are worth it to hit on the regular to warrant such a soft wheel). X99s still provide the best of everything for now, even tho I'm back on 101s; I just like the feel and sound of hard wheels.

[Ok]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

If I’m skating 97 it’s the updated formula.
Last few weeks just been skating 93’s everywhere.
Just a bit too lazy to switch setups.

[close]

haven’t tried them yet, the 93s, i’m sure they work for everything i actually want to skate well enough. the bigger wheels/softer formulas, combined with me getting older and less able, less time to work on ‘tricks’, well what im trying to get at is that i’ve been having more and more fun skating for transportation, just cruising and the occasional ollie.
this may sound like an obvious thing, just enjoying the what i can sort of do, but i most often find myself sequestered away on some flatground, just pounding my bones to dust doing crap 360 flip attempts, or whatever.

[close]

I'd still want an updated 97a formula for that. I can't abide the 93s or x97s unless I'm just at a super crust spot (which is rare, none local are worth it to hit on the regular to warrant such a soft wheel). X99s still provide the best of everything for now, even tho I'm back on 101s; I just like the feel and sound of hard wheels.

i have some used x99s, but they are 58s. setup for a sibling that rarely skates, and just wants transportation when skating. but, those things are pretty darn smooth. haven’t ‘skated’ them, as 58 is just too tall for me.


i was glad to be skating the 99 radial fulls this week: world slowest hill ‘bomb’, but was still going too fast for my foot dragging ass. others were present so i couldn’t drag the sneaker, had to throw out a few emergency speed checks, and the f4 99s slide, just how i expect them too. i’ve had times with dragons where they were catching on this really chunky pavement, and then other times where the dragons slide startlingly well.

[Mbrimson88]

is anyone skating lock-in fulls?
what do you like about them?

i’m not trying to be convinced, but i am curious.
please and thanks

I think the main thing with the Lock In Fulls is they have a little more hanger grind room on them, compared to others, like Radial Full which is a symmetrical wheel shape.  Only a few mm, but it all counts.

Not much really to go on, but for some people having more or less truck to grind can make a difference.

I am used to 149 and up in terms of truck size, so having them on 159s or 169s I felt like they were more comfortable, compared to on smaller trucks, even tried them on 139s just to see and I kept almost slipping out of where I was used to the truck on any edge, but that is more my own issue than anything else.

The few sets I have had / seen almost seem a little more "white over natural" and really chirp a lot more as well, so I don't know if that is just me, or if they did something to that batch or the formula changed slightly, but they are hard, fast and slide almost too well for big wide wheels, for some people.

Again, all personal experience or relayed from others, but it is interesting to roll around on them, compared to almost every other shape in the Formula Four urethane I have had in the last ten years.


* If you already have Radial Full, I wouldn't see a need to get Lock In Full wheels, unless you were due for more or needed another set.  The edge is a little more rounded than the old Lock Ins though, but still not quite a Radial edge.

[Unkle Fleak]

I got two sets of original 97s. Id like um to slide better in 90 degree i can admit it, If i didnt skate daily id get fucked up on these for sure. I was born for the big sticky wheel life thank the dark lord of speed. I hope they stay just as loud post update.

My Radial fulls are crzy loud.  got rails on that one too. Unfortunately My fucking back up needs bearings. Im over metal. My swiss aint coming back from this last slight tiny bit of moisture that i didnt even notice. Fuck um. Im going to jam the old element ceramic balls in the Swiss races. See if they will actually polish the race. If not my 2016 ceramic reds could use new cages.

Roll forever. I gpt the proof

[rawbertson.]

I never noticed a massive difference between 97 / 99 / 101a F4 they all feel pretty similar to me. one of my friends had 97 and the other had 101, and i ride 99a. tried them all for various friction tests for like 20 min straight at the skatepark  few weeks back and while i can notice a difference its just super minimal to me, i see no reason to leave 99a. 97a kinda makes more sense though if you think about it if the lack of slide isnt bothering me. it would have a bit more grip which is kinda the entire point of F4s - A hard Wheel that Grips. Easy Sliders are a soft wheel that slides.

[Lou Strux]

…97a kinda makes more sense though if you think about it if the lack of slide isnt bothering me. it would have a bit more grip which is kinda the entire point of F4s - A hard Wheel that Grips. Easy Sliders are a soft wheel that slides.

This is kinda where the reformulated F4 97s slot in for me.
A bit more grip & rebound than the 99s, but much closer to the harder/skreet wheel feel than the “bouncier” pebble stomping, crust chomping 93s.
They def do process rough ground with a good deal more aplomb than their harder siblings, though.
Noticeably so.
The comparative “sluggishness” of the previous formulation seems to have been dialed out of the mix, for the most part as well; I didn’t notice any appreciable difference in speed at the spots I tested them on. Dare I say, this is based on nothing more than an impression, but they felt faster than the 99s down the same stretch of freshly paved asphalt.
Finally, the slide.
The earlier iteration of this duro seemed to lack the same ease of release when breaking into a slide, and could feel sticker than the 99s on grinds & such. 
These new 97s release & slide with the same ease their 93 duro counterparts do: that is to say, the slide is great!
I’m only one session in on this set, so it’s way too early for me to remark on wear/durability.
Once again, I find these wheels are filling a function I wasn’t looking for, per se (a softer wheel; I love the 99s) but much like the 93s, I think these are going to stick around beyond the life of their current set up.
My present thinking is: if they perform in speed & slide as well as the 99s & they eat up a little more crust & vibration than the 99s, why the heck not?!?
I def think they managed to strike a balance between the 99 & 93 duros that will appeal to a pretty wide range of skaters. 

TLDR: the new 97s are good.

[JimmyFive]

Expand Quote

…97a kinda makes more sense though if you think about it if the lack of slide isnt bothering me. it would have a bit more grip which is kinda the entire point of F4s - A hard Wheel that Grips. Easy Sliders are a soft wheel that slides.

[close]

This is kinda where the reformulated F4 97s slot in for me.
A bit more grip & rebound than the 99s, but much closer to the harder/skreet wheel feel than the “bouncier” pebble stomping, crust chomping 93s.
They def do process rough ground with a good deal more aplomb than their harder siblings, though.
Noticeably so.
The comparative “sluggishness” of the previous formulation seems to have been dialed out of the mix, for the most part as well; I didn’t notice any appreciable difference in speed at the spots I tested them on. Dare I say, this is based on nothing more than an impression, but they felt faster than the 99s down the same stretch of freshly paved asphalt.
Finally, the slide.
The earlier iteration of this duro seemed to lack the same ease of release when breaking into a slide, and could feel sticker than the 99s on grinds & such. 
These new 97s release & slide with the same ease their 93 duro counterparts do: that is to say, the slide is great!
I’m only one session in on this set, so it’s way too early for me to remark on wear/durability.
Once again, I find these wheels are filling a function I wasn’t looking for, per se (a softer wheel; I love the 99s) but much like the 93s, I think these are going to stick around beyond the life of their current set up.
My present thinking is: if they perform in speed & slide as well as the 99s & they eat up a little more crust & vibration than the 99s, why the heck not?!?
I def think they managed to strike a balance between the 99 & 93 duros that will appeal to a pretty wide range of skaters. 

TLDR: the new 97s are good.

Exciting. Are you able to compare them to Bones X99's at all?

[rawbertson.]

Hmmm...

Rode 93a today easy slider 56mm radial
Been riding 99a Radial Full 58mm - this is a very very fat wheel
I have been cruising some super fast hills where you have to make turns lately
when you go really fast you will squirrel out and lose it on the corner, but you have some semblance of grip on 99a but you will lose it
but with an easy slider, you will just slide out even more... its not a grippy wheel anymore because we have given up that property for slide. that is 100% the main selling point of easy slider.

So a 97a Easy Slider to me seems like it would just be too slippery when possibly a key feature of OG F4 97a is to grip better than the 99a at high speeds. So maybe depends what they are trying to accomplish with the wheel...?

after just skating that soft wheel for a while, i kinda realized i dont necessarily like that marshmellow feel... where everything feels like its getting absorbed. tricks kinda feel better whne you can feel the vibrations a bit. I think the speed is actually comparable between my 2 wheels it just felt a bit placebo at first that the 93a were noticably faster.

[Ok]

Hmmm...

Rode 93a today easy slider 56mm radial
Been riding 99a Radial Full 58mm - this is a very very fat wheel
I have been cruising some super fast hills where you have to make turns lately
when you go really fast you will squirrel out and lose it on the corner, but you have some semblance of grip on 99a but you will lose it
but with an easy slider, you will just slide out even more... its not a grippy wheel anymore because we have given up that property for slide. that is 100% the main selling point of easy slider.

So a 97a Easy Slider to me seems like it would just be too slippery when possibly a key feature of OG F4 97a is to grip better than the 99a at high speeds. So maybe depends what they are trying to accomplish with the wheel...?

after just skating that soft wheel for a while, i kinda realized i dont necessarily like that marshmellow feel... where everything feels like its getting absorbed. tricks kinda feel better whne you can feel the vibrations a bit. I think the speed is actually comparable between my 2 wheels it just felt a bit placebo at first that the 93a were noticably faster.

haven’t messed with the 93a
never stayed on my 56 97a original version classics for long
i have been steady on the 56 99a radial fulls. i don’t have a reason to change. for funsies id like to try the 54 lock-in fulls, i need all the lock-in help i can get.

big fat wheels in f4 99a are currently working for me

[Daydream]

Anyone wanna sell their 93a yet

[moonordie]

Anyone wanna sell their 93a yet

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=130828.0

[rawbertson.]

yeah i think what i been saying is still ringing true for me... 99% of the time 99a is not only fine for me but exactly what i want. i am just saying i could see why people would want that OG F4 97a if they were trying to get a little more grip on transitions and stuff like that... I dont think it really absorbs that much more vibration than the 99a. you are still feeling the ground quite a bit, it doesnt have that marshmallow feel - still feels like a hard wheel to me. so if you took 97a to an ES formula it would just feel insanely slippery, would it not? 93a ES already feels more slippery than 99a OG F4... if all you ever skate is in straight lines this is fire. But I feel like we are back to the problem we had with the Bones STF where when you start skating any sort of angles with speed you can get skrted out

Dear Spitfire - can you please make ES a seperate line from F4 because this is getting really annoying to distinguish... we promise we will keep buying them! 

[Síota]

The summer drop two catalogue is online now:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

[rawbertson.]

Imo they are wasting their time with the sapphiires and 80hd shit. they have so mcuh stuff that flies off the shelf, why dilute your brand? maybe i am clueless though. I know not everyone is hardcore gear performance moron like me.

grant taylor wheel pretty cool graphics

[roba]

Imo they are wasting their time with the sapphiires and 80hd shit. they have so mcuh stuff that flies off the shelf, why dilute your brand? maybe i am clueless though. I know not everyone is hardcore gear performance moron like me.

grant taylor wheel pretty cool graphics

i think if you have a wheel company you should have at least one soft wheel option, even if it's not the best selling thing you have. it looks like every wheel company has their soft option:

spitfire - sapphire/80hd
bones - rough riders/atf/a bunch of powell shit i'll count as bones
oj - superjuices, keyframes, there's probably more
ricta - clouds
autobahn has a 90a wheel
sml - coffee cruisers
pig - supercruisers, rovers

the soft sliders/dragons/xformula don't count since they're supposed to feel like hard wheels

if all the big guys have em i don't see why spitfire shouldn't

[144p]

I would say my sales are split 60/40 meaning 60% want 99’s and 40% are looking for the best of both worlds meaning softer feeling but still slide. It’s rough up here in Washington. More and more people just want to skate a parking lot after work and not be bothered.
And we set up new skaters with softer wheels as well, plus if something is hyped up like 93’s it generates a lot of interest.

[dstrytruitt]

Anyone wanna sell their 93a yet

I've got some 54s if you're interested--PM me.

[rawbertson.]

Expand Quote

Imo they are wasting their time with the sapphiires and 80hd shit. they have so mcuh stuff that flies off the shelf, why dilute your brand? maybe i am clueless though. I know not everyone is hardcore gear performance moron like me.

grant taylor wheel pretty cool graphics

[close]

i think if you have a wheel company you should have at least one soft wheel option, even if it's not the best selling thing you have. it looks like every wheel company has their soft option:

spitfire - sapphire/80hd
bones - rough riders/atf/a bunch of powell shit i'll count as bones
oj - superjuices, keyframes, there's probably more
ricta - clouds
autobahn has a 90a wheel
sml - coffee cruisers
pig - supercruisers, rovers

the soft sliders/dragons/xformula don't count since they're supposed to feel like hard wheels

if all the big guys have em i don't see why spitfire shouldn't

good point
i probably will buy 80hd as my next cruiser wheel (not sure if i will ever need another one though... i hardly ride em. Juices seem pretty top tier for that kind of thing...)

[Xen]

[Unkle Fleak]

97s forever. I'm never going back
I

[Unkle Fleak]

Hmmm...

Rode 93a today easy slider 56mm radial
Been riding 99a Radial Full 58mm - this is a very very fat wheel
I have been cruising some super fast hills where you have to make turns lately
when you go really fast you will squirrel out and lose it on the corner, but you have some semblance of grip on 99a but you will lose it
but with an easy slider, you will just slide out even more... its not a grippy wheel anymore because we have given up that property for slide. that is 100% the main selling point of easy slider.

So a 97a Easy Slider to me seems like it would just be too slippery when possibly a key feature of OG F4 97a is to grip better than the 99a at high speeds. So maybe depends what they are trying to accomplish with the wheel...?

after just skating that soft wheel for a while, i kinda realized i dont necessarily like that marshmellow feel... where everything feels like its getting absorbed. tricks kinda feel better whne you can feel the vibrations a bit. I think the speed is actually comparable between my 2 wheels it just felt a bit placebo at first that the 93a were noticably faster.

I love sliding through corners. You just goes slip slip slipslupslip... As you're turning. It feels like snowboarding kinda. Your edge needs sharpening. So good

Why I stopped dragons. If the ground has any moisture soon as you slip grip once you're going down and hard af like you're trying to 101a big flip on the indoor vert ramp flat. No soda

Fuckin death sentence