Spitfire formula four

[Too Frank To Fred]

Put in a quick session on the reformulated 97s today. 55mm Radial. First impression is  a definite improvement on the old 97 in terms of slide and speed. I rode a fairly rough park and they carried speed only slightly less than 99s but the slide was really surprising. They were super silent in the slide at first but I did get them to chirp a little. Will try them in the streets this weekend.

Not sure these would be great on indoor slippery surfaces, which is what I used the old 97s for but we shall see. The 93s might be the wheel for that.

[Unkle Fleak]

When a 58mm radial full 97a comes out i am gonna get that for sure
I have heard those SKF bearings feel very fast. I have been fucking around with all sorts of random ass bearings lately after only riding swiss for years and havent really noticed any huge difference, looking forward to trying those SKF

I gotta got conical Again, that’s definitely my favorite shape.
My 97 56 radial fulls keep unseating when left to sit. I’ll come back to them when I get a ride, the sideboard and, they gotta be loosened up.

I think this wheel shape only if I didn’t use spacers. And it’s gotta be 60mm. If I’m going heavy might as well get all the speed that comes along with it.

 I’ve read or heard similar testimonial about that Uber wide shape.

I’m hoping that the new 97 is a little bit smoothe toor. I almost fell off today on some crust that the old Powell wheel wouldn’t have noticed.
Those are what 30 years old too?

[rawbertson.]

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When a 58mm radial full 97a comes out i am gonna get that for sure
I have heard those SKF bearings feel very fast. I have been fucking around with all sorts of random ass bearings lately after only riding swiss for years and havent really noticed any huge difference, looking forward to trying those SKF

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I gotta got conical Again, that’s definitely my favorite shape.
My 97 56 radial fulls keep unseating when left to sit. I’ll come back to them when I get a ride, the sideboard and, they gotta be loosened up.

I think this wheel shape only if I didn’t use spacers. And it’s gotta be 60mm. If I’m going heavy might as well get all the speed that comes along with it.

 I’ve read or heard similar testimonial about that Uber wide shape.

I’m hoping that the new 97 is a little bit smoothe toor. I almost fell off today on some crust that the old Powell wheel wouldn’t have noticed.
Those are what 30 years old too?

Mine didnt really "Un-seat" but i noticed that after I first put in my bearings on the last 2 sets of F4s, I would tighten to the point of almost no play at all on the axle. I would ride around a for a session, and then notice that I could tighten the nuts on the axles quite a bit more after the session, if that even makes any sense.

I really love the sound, speed, and the lifespan of the radial full more than anything. They somehow seem to slide better than skinny wheels too which doesnt make any sense. On paper you would think a skinnier wheel should slide better and go faster, but in my experience it doesnt seem to... So its just winning for me in all departments. I am on 99a and they have never really felt "too slippery" for me yet.

I stopped using spacers just because I am trying to reduce all rattle possible on my setup. Axle nuts are pretty tight, hardly any play. no rails or anything. The main thing I miss about Thunders on this setup was the sound of that chunky cast plate. The Lurpiv just sounds squeaky and shitty.

[SupremePizza]

Does anyone know if the Violet wheels are releasing in skate shops or is it just a Violet exclusive?

[Too Frank To Fred]

. They somehow seem to slide better than skinny wheels too which doesnt make any sense.

it does. There is an argument that wide wheels will not break into a slide as easy but once sliding will slide longer. Can depend on terrain, duro and formula of course.

[Mbrimson88]

Does anyone know if the Violet wheels are releasing in skate shops or is it just a Violet exclusive?

I would imagine they would be their online exclusive, if they are at all the same as other special editions like that, eg the Max Palmer Spitfire special edition black swirls were only on their own site.

Couldn't say 100% for sure though.


* Just checked the DLXSF.COM site and this is what is on there:


Violet just dropped 'THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING,' a new video by William Strobeck for the release of the new Violet/Spitfire wheels. Available exclusively at violetstate.com

https://violetstate.com/

[back smith]

99A F4 is the best.

[manuduncan]

the 93 soft sliders aren't the best for a lot of things but one thing they will do if you're old is save your feet/ankles/back. I'm 38 and a 2-3 hour session on the 93s and I don't even feel it the next day, whereas with 99s I'm sore all over afterwards

[Too Frank To Fred]

More time on the new 97s today. Two spots. An Icey smooth park and some very rough ground. Have to say they felt pretty amazing on both surfaces. I'll say it again but way way better than the old 97s. But after about 3, maybe 4 hours of use they are already visibly wearing down. Going to try them at the curb spot tomorrow. Super impressive wheels so far.

[Daydream]

the 93 soft sliders aren't the best for a lot of things but one thing they will do if you're old is save your feet/ankles/back. I'm 38 and a 2-3 hour session on the 93s and I don't even feel it the next day, whereas with 99s I'm sore all over afterwards

love it and for that I’m in

[GBLange]

the 93 soft sliders aren't the best for a lot of things but one thing they will do if you're old is save your feet/ankles/back. I'm 38 and a 2-3 hour session on the 93s and I don't even feel it the next day, whereas with 99s I'm sore all over afterwards

My 45yr old knees agrees..

[nollieflip]

Skated 101s for years then skated 99s for years, tried the 93s when they dropped and holy shit I was impressed until I hit the flatbar and stuck on a front feeble. 93s would have been the perfect all around wheel but they stick on rails. Trying the 97s after a couple months on 93s feels like going back to the 99s in terms of sound and slide. Although I’m sure they’re a tad smoother on rough terrain. Definitely still keeping my 93s. they’ll live on my zip zinger so i can quickly switch them to my main board for rough spot sessions.

[moonordie]

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the 93 soft sliders aren't the best for a lot of things but one thing they will do if you're old is save your feet/ankles/back. I'm 38 and a 2-3 hour session on the 93s and I don't even feel it the next day, whereas with 99s I'm sore all over afterwards

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My 45yr old knees agrees..

Ok guys, sold. Jeeeez.
Now I have to choose between classics 53 or radials 54mm. I love my radials 53mm this run skating right now so probably I'll stick to that shape + I heard that 93 wear down fast so that extra mm seems like a good idea.

[BeachChicken]

I've been liking my new 97 a lot. They still don't bark as loud but that really doesn't matter much to me since the main attraction is that I can leave them on and skate whatever surface just fine and get the softness benefit enough to carry speed better on asphalt.

I haven't had any more chunks come out, but I can feel them on one wheel a bit on very smooth ground.

I hope they make them in 52 Classic and the Radial sizes they did the 93 in.

[Too Frank To Fred]

3rd session on the 97s today. Went to the curb spot and these things slide just as well as the 99s for sure. So far the only downside I see, is a slight loss of speed in smooth parks compared to 99s and not as durable as 99s.
Spitfire, really nailed a good wheel. I should note for whatever reason my slappy Ks were not working today... not sure if if was durrmoeter related...

Also Radials are now my absolute favorite shape... Just seem to work on everything I skate.

[manuduncan]

3rd session on the 97s today. Went to the curb spot and these things slide just as well as the 99s for sure. So far the only downside I see, is a slight loss of speed in smooth parks compared to 99s and not as durable as 99s.
Spitfire, really nailed a good wheel. I should note for whatever reason my slappy Ks were not working today... not sure if if was durrmoeter related...

Also Radials are now my absolute favorite shape... Just seem to work on everything I skate.

I can slappy crook on dragon wheels but the grind definitely gets cut short and abruptly, you kind of get pitched off. whereas with harder wheels the grind goes for longer and slows down more gradually

[logjammin]

I been skating my old potato colored 97 radial fulls again that are from like when they first came out and before their formula started getting white colored and not as natural in all duros. I've swapped them out enough times to keep em lasting this long. Idk, they feel like they perform fine for their respective duro not really sure what needs to be improved, the 93's brought something different to the table. But I guess if the local confirms they got the new "improved" stock, I'll give em a whirl to see what the fuss is about. Mine bark and slide perfectly fine in crust and smooth parks and they don't feel much slower than the 99's.

[BeachChicken]

Slappy crook is my easiest and most go to slappy and the 97 work as well as my 99 so far if the object is moderately waxed. 93 could sometimes slow a bit, but never as abrupt as a Dragon or Bones formula. Even the X99 would squeal and halt on drier coping and curbs.

[moonordie]

Anybody tried 93 classics vs radials?

[144p]

Anybody tried 93 classics vs radials?

Yes, they both worked great. I didn’t notice much difference in performance. Maybe a a little more slide on classics.

[moonordie]

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Anybody tried 93 classics vs radials?

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Yes, they both worked great. I didn’t notice much difference in performance. Maybe a a little more slide on classics.

Yeah, makes sense and I already knew but still needed to read it from somebody else. Thx man.
I love my F4 99 radials but everything hurts and I need all the help I can get to keep skating pain free. Initially I was going for the Radials 54mm but since they're softer maybe I can use the smaller contact patch to be able to powerslide more naturally + I'm a sucker for Reynolds so...

[BeachChicken]

I think these days I prefer a radial over a classic any day. They lock in ever so slightly better and my 99 54 radials felt just as fast, but not as smooth, as my 93a 53 classics, my 53 97 classics slightly faster than my 54 radials that are worn to 52ish, but def smoother and bouncier.

[moonordie]

Had to read that like 4 times to make sense and still I'll need more tries.

[BeachChicken]

Damn sorry for you hope you're not putting together any IKEA furniture or doing 9th grade word problems today.

Comparing worn 54, now 52, 99 radial vs 97a 53 classics: the 97 are now faster bc they are bigger.

When the 54 99 radial were new they were faster than either the 93 or 97 classic for me, prob due to size and contact patch.

Conclusion- a wider, slightly bigger 99 can feel faster than some of the easy slider formulas for me. I would like the 97 in a 54 radial for bliss.

[MC3]

Damn sorry for you hope you're not putting together any IKEA furniture or doing 9th grade word problems today.

nah dude, that's all on you for writing in riddles

[BeachChicken]

Edit: I've had a really shitty day with an injured foot and bummed on skating and let it affect my posting. Too late to delete, apologies to those above me.

[moonordie]

Edit: I've had a really shitty day with an injured foot and bummed on skating and let it affect my posting. Too late to delete, apologies to those above me.

Don't stress man, hope that foot will heal soon and good.

[BeachChicken]

Thanks! Freak accident and what I want to do most right now is skate. Gear madness had subsided, was learning some new stuff for once, generally excited about temps dropping and getting to some spots that aren't fun during summer heat.

Anyways the TL;DR for Spitfire shapes and duros:

* Wider shapes in a harder duro typically feel faster to me than a Classic shape 1 duro softer on asphalt. 2 duros softer they might be equal with the softer wheel being smoother for sure.
* If wheel size is the same, a wider 99 will feel almost the same speed wise as a Classic 97.
* Once the wheel size of the wider 99 is lower than the 97 Classic, the 97 feels faster.

Hope that makes sense. The differences are small, but noticeable since my asphalt spot is slightly uphill so any loss of speed after pushing is pretty obvious.

[Unkle Fleak]

I been skating my old potato colored 97 radial fulls again that are from like when they first came out and before their formula started getting white colored and not as natural in all duros. I've swapped them out enough times to keep em lasting this long. Idk, they feel like they perform fine for their respective duro not really sure what needs to be improved, the 93's brought something different to the table. But I guess if the local confirms they got the new "improved" stock, I'll give em a whirl to see what the fuss is about. Mine bark and slide perfectly fine in crust and smooth parks and they don't feel much slower than the 99's.

How I feel too. Mine bark nice an loud

[fakiefs180]

Is it possible to purchase a 99d 52mm Radial shaped wheel somewhere? Smallest I could find is 53mm. Yeah I know it's only 1mm but I have a slight discomfort with uneven numbers. Maybe I should grow up.