Spitfire formula four

[Unkle Fleak]

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https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

no sonic t or stickers

also no 93s listed

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I see they have a 97a (radial fucking full at 58mm good gawds....*rolls eyes in 52mm radial slim*) - wonder which 97a formula

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Everything is the original formula, not the new ones with the teal sticker that says reformulated versions, so people have said until something can be sorted with the chemical / materials.

Sounds like that will be the case with anything coming out now - old formula 97s and no 93s for the foreseeable future.

Sick can’t wait to reup on the 97s

[rawbertson.]

I don't remember who posted this, but now I fully understand what people mean when the slide of a wheel can feel like you are "on top" of the slide or "embedded" in the slide? cant remember the terminology they used. but there is some benefit i would say to having the harder formula actually i am noticing, like maybe it doesnt slide as good without wax, but, i feel like you get more response, you can kind of "feel where you are" on the ledge / in the slide better on the old formulas.

[FrAnKenFrEd]

I don't remember who posted this, but now I fully understand what people mean when the slide of a wheel can feel like you are "on top" of the slide or "embedded" in the slide? cant remember the terminology they used.

Sugary Vs Icy to borrow terms  from the longboard/ tech slide urethane aficionados.

[munchbox]

Softlsliders are in production again!

according to?

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[Jackismydogsname]

I deserve the boos but in 2.5 weeks,  you will see the new graphic.

[Mbrimson88]

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Catching up on the backlog of all their catalog pre book 93s and special releases or something else?

Any which way at least people will be happy when they do have more coming out.

[boofactory]

God damn, I hope this news is true. I don’t wanna go through wheel madness after my current set of Pedro delfino 97s

[nopopnostyle]

Still holding back from skating my set of delfinos because I don’t want to get used to them and then not be able to get another set in the new formula again.
They felt really good the couple sessions I tried them out.

[kimmeyjimmel]

How many people skate 101s? I have a pair of 99s that feel so slow at the tennis court spot near me, and 101s feel nice on that. Have they ever tried making anything a little harder than 101?

[somethingmustbreaknow]

i skate 101 radial slims. pretty nice.

[rawbertson.]

my local has a set of 101a, 60mm classics lol. that sounds absolutely wild to me. cant see anyone buying those... would be really good for curb shit. 101 on F4 is already really slippery, if they made it any harder it would be absolute ice. tailbone fracture city. could be kind of fun.

[FrAnKenFrEd]

my local has a set of 101a, 60mm classics lol. that sounds absolutely wild to me. cant see anyone buying those... would be really good for curb shit. 101 on F4 is already really slippery, if they made it any harder it would be absolute ice. tailbone fracture city. could be kind of fun.

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Friend of mine is super into the big 101s. Some people argue they aren't as slippery as the 99s. I think it depends on the surface and again, how easy it is to break into a slide vs how well they slide once actually sliding is a different thing.

[Mbrimson88]

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my local has a set of 101a, 60mm classics lol. that sounds absolutely wild to me. cant see anyone buying those... would be really good for curb shit. 101 on F4 is already really slippery, if they made it any harder it would be absolute ice. tailbone fracture city. could be kind of fun.

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Friend of mine is super into the big 101s. Some people argue they aren't as slippery as the 99s. I think it depends on the surface and again, how easy it is to break into a slide vs how well they slide once actually sliding is a different thing.

Yeah it is a funny thing.

The 99 duro wheels almost always seem to be the same consistency, same slide, same grip, etc.  The 101s have been up and down on almost every set I have tried or had swapped back in or that I got from others, so that is not just a few sets, but a lot overall.

The main things I find with the 101s is that they are faster on a lot of surfaces, especially smooth even surfaces, eg brand new skatepark, various different mini ramps and similar, but only sometimes more slippery and the slide is inconsistent, which I know I have said on a number of occasions, but it really is the weirdest thing about them overall.

Others have said that the 101 might take a bit more to get into the slide, but when they do, they slide faster too.  The main consensus is they are more jarring on rougher terrain though, any older skateparks or road type surfaces in particular.

I guess it is all relative, as the 99s feel more comfortable on pretty much everything to me, but the 101s can definitely have a place in the lineup too for some things and I do have them on boards I skate on my mini ramp and other places and they work well.


At one point a couple of years ago, the Classic shape had the same options in 99 and 101, so they had them all right from 50 mm, through 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58 and 60 mm sizes, but I hadn't seen them bring many more out like that for a while, so I don't doubt there is still some stock around from when they came out.


* The current catalog actually shows all sizes in both 99 and 101, so who knows, maybe they are all out again too.

[rawbertson.]

I noticed if you have the harder wheels, you have a lot more feedback, so when it sticks it feels extra sticky. The softer wheel can kinda absorb some of that impact so that’s why soft slider feel so good and predictable in the slide I would guess. But when you really wax the ledge or if you are on smooth ground, those hard wheels can feel mad icy, and I kinda like it better in general because it feels like I have more control.

I remember when i got my first set of bones stf I went to do a power slide in the parking lot and flew out onto my bum. I had never felt a wheel slide so easily before (I think they were 104a)

[DarkPools]

I noticed my newer 101 conical fulls i have on some 8.5 cast Ventures feel slow compared to used 99 conical fulls on Forged Hollow Indy 149: skatepark & street.  I think the Ventures are making the wheels feel slower, but maybe it's an illusion.
After skating 99a so religiously for the last 5 years, it's difficult to try anything else. 101 often feels too slippery and slidey, while 97 (on a friend's board) feels too hollow and grippy without a longer session on them.

[moonordie]

I noticed my newer 101 conical fulls i have on some 8.5 cast Ventures feel slow compared to used 99 conical fulls on Forged Hollow Indy 149: skatepark & street.  I think the Ventures are making the wheels feel slower, but maybe it's an illusion.
After skating 99a so religiously for the last 5 years, it's difficult to try anything else. 101 often feels too slippery and slidey, while 97 (on a friend's board) feels too hollow and grippy without a longer session on them.

Did you try putting the 99 on Venture? Maybe the axle is a little thicker this making the while wheel to spin with resistance.

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I noticed my newer 101 conical fulls i have on some 8.5 cast Ventures feel slow compared to used 99 conical fulls on Forged Hollow Indy 149: skatepark & street.  I think the Ventures are making the wheels feel slower, but maybe it's an illusion.
After skating 99a so religiously for the last 5 years, it's difficult to try anything else. 101 often feels too slippery and slidey, while 97 (on a friend's board) feels too hollow and grippy without a longer session on them.

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Did tou they putting the 99 on Venture? Maybe the axle is a little thicker this making the while wheel to spin with resistance.

it should not have any perceptible effect on how the bearings operate
A thicker axle and the resulting grip on the inner ring would actually increase bearings performance

[DarkPools]

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I noticed my newer 101 conical fulls i have on some 8.5 cast Ventures feel slow compared to used 99 conical fulls on Forged Hollow Indy 149: skatepark & street.  I think the Ventures are making the wheels feel slower, but maybe it's an illusion.
After skating 99a so religiously for the last 5 years, it's difficult to try anything else. 101 often feels too slippery and slidey, while 97 (on a friend's board) feels too hollow and grippy without a longer session on them.

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Did tou they putting the 99 on Venture? Maybe the axle is a little thicker this making the while wheel to spin with resistance.

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it should not have any perceptible effect on how the bearings operate
A thicker axle and the resulting grip on the inner ring would actually increase bearings performance

Both sets of wheels have reds bearings. The venture 101a wheels are a little bit newer (not as skated) so maybe they just need to be broken in to feel comparable speed/feel wise? Also, maybe Ventures just feel "sluggish" to me since they're so stable and not as responsive as forged Indys.

Idk, I'm an Indy loyalist (feel and quality of trucks, I don't care about the cross stuff) for the last ~15 years so that's probably skewing my perception. Was curious if anyone noticed a similar experience tho

[SupremePizza]

I'm getting madness trying to figure this out. Is there any reason to choose radial full over conical full in 58mm specifically the 97a F4?

[swongolianbbq]

I'm getting madness trying to figure this out. Is there any reason to choose radial full over conical full in 58mm specifically the 97a F4?

Radial full: rounded edge, doesn't train track as much, last longer, wider profile, heavier

Conical full: lighter, doesn't last as long, more prone to train tracking, narrower profile

If you want to know what a 56mm radial full on af1 55s looks like watch that newer Cody Chapman part

[nopopnostyle]

The post above pretty much sums it up.

The conical full is more middle ground.
The only reason to prefer the Radial Full would be if you like to utilize the advantages for you.

The rounded edges help you get into things easier. They also help you get out of things easier. This could refer to locking into grinds too.
Same goes for the weight.
I have to put more power into the pop and flick but the board responds with more force als well..

I like em both and prefer the radial when I want my setup to feel more sturdy yet less prone to traintrack if that makes sense.

[peterpenis]

Currently am skating 56mm radial fulls and at that size they lock in pretty damn good for me which would be one of the few possible advantages of the conical fulls. I can still 360 flip my setup which is about as tech as I'll ever be. No wheel on earth can prevent me from getting skunked every game of skate. Actually the 360 flip works really well, maybe the rounded edge is helping more than the added weight is interfering.

Disclaimer: Im usually skating my wheels from 56 to < 50 and the radial fulls are still pretty fresh. So probably Im just hyped on a new wheel and shouldn't be speaking about nuances between different shapes. But now I typed all this so off it goes to live forever in the cloud

[moonordie]

Radial full is the best shape ever.
At first I thought they were stupid and that they looked stupid.
Tried them and for whatever reason they work great for my type of skating and the look is actually cool.
Couldn't be happier.

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It’s always interesting seeing what durometer wheels people prefer and why.
In the PNW you rarely hear of anyone skating 101, 93/95/97 seem to be gaining popularity but 99 is still the majority of our sales.
I don’t even order 101 anymore.

[DarkPools]

It’s always interesting seeing what durometer wheels people prefer and why.
In the PNW you rarely hear of anyone skating 101, 93/95/97 seem to be gaining popularity but 99 is still the majority of our sales.
I don’t even order 101 anymore.

I'm adjacent to LA in California and I prefer 99 as an all around over 101 or a 93. Though, there are plenty of places: parks/cities around here where 101s may be better. I find myself wanting an ATV setup for all ground types and 99s do that excellently. I'm tempted to try the 97s though, and I've seen those pick up in the wild. I'm shocked people still skate 101, actually

[rawbertson.]

Radial full is the best shape ever.
At first I thought they were stupid and that they looked stupid.
Tried them and for whatever reason they work great for my type of skating and the look is actually cool.
Couldn't be happier.

i use 60 mm and doesnt stop me from doing anything. if anything makes me skate even better somehow.

101a is plaza skater wheel. in radial slim that makes a ton of sense. but hardly anyone skating plazas anymore exclusively. could see it being more popular in china. if stock is a reflection of how much is produced, 101s have hardly even been made the last few years compared to 99. i hardly ever even see them for sale. but i know a homey who only rides 101. this 60mm classic 101 at my local i would be willing to bet is fairly old stock or was all that was left at the distributor.

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It’s always interesting seeing what durometer wheels people prefer and why.
In the PNW you rarely hear of anyone skating 101, 93/95/97 seem to be gaining popularity but 99 is still the majority of our sales.
I don’t even order 101 anymore.

from the same area as you, but don’t skate as much, nor as varied terrain.

i’ve had some 52 CF 101s and at first they felt terrible, but then they felt better after time, shockingly so actually.

i’m all over the place and will skate 56 RF 99s, and then 52 V1 X97s, and on and on.
right now softer wheels feel better, less real tho, and i’m sure eventually i’ll try the hard ones again.

[Pastasash]

Last two wheels have been classics and on reg lock ins now.

Anyone here tried and would recommend Ishod’s lock-in classic shape? On the fence, TIA

[rawbertson.]

As much as I don’t like the idea of asymmetrical wheels, the ishods is exactly the shape I’d want with classic on the outside. A few of my friends have them and said they are the best wheels they ever had (but some of them have been riding budget brand wheels for the last like 5 years cause they were sponsored…)

Even once you wear em down then you have some conicals once you flip em. No big deal. lol keep the heel side wheel backwards for killer back feebles.