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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5400 on: August 09, 2022, 06:03:53 AM »
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5401 on: August 09, 2022, 06:18:24 AM »
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
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That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.

I've had 3 pair and never bent the axel, but I understand experience may vary. The baseplates wear fast because they are magnesium (atleast in the original model) magnesium is softer as aluminium. Same thing happened with my destructo. While not optimal, I think it's a sacrifice you make when you chose to skate a lighter, less durable material. This catch on coping thing IDK, I'm more likely to blame myself over the truck for something like that.

They do turn pretty great, I went street skating last weekend and was really hyped on how I was swerving


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5402 on: August 09, 2022, 06:34:16 AM »
just popping in to say 97a f4 slides great and in my experience they do not feel bouncy.

Same.

IMO a simple ‘90s (decade) urethane feeling wheel, bonus -no flatspots.


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« Reply #5403 on: August 09, 2022, 07:33:19 AM »
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What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.
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I say the same thing every time I see someone in running shoes! Toughen up, buttercup!
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Completely different. This is like debating if a specific density of insole foam would improve a 3km casual run.

Runners literally debate this kind of thing all the time.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5404 on: August 09, 2022, 08:45:23 AM »
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For crooks with the 93A and 95A (moreso with 93A) I noticed a kind of break in period with sticking. Like when I first was skating the 93A's at the curb spot I was sticking on slappy crooks at first quite frequently. Waxing helped for sure.

But after a certain point, the sticking eased up and got to the point where I wasn't really sticking anymore.

Slappy crooks and sw slappy crooks are some of my favorite tricks, so just wanted to give my 2 cents since I saw someone asking about crooks on the dragons. I'm about to set up my production dragons for the first time so I'll give an update if I notice the initial sticking on them.

I didn't really notice the sticking as much on the 95A, but I feel like those had a slight break in period too.

For blunt slides, I can't do them personally but my homie has a set of production dragons and slappy blunts are not problem for him on them.

Really dig these wheels, IMO they are something special for sure and worth trying. George found the krabby patty secret formula or something. I do agree that Nine Club video was pretty weird though.

I'm also looking forward to the 95A and 97A X formula as well. Really want to try the 97A. I hope that the X Formula comes untreaded, that's my main complaint about the dragons.
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How long did it take for it to go away on the pre production 95a? And were your pre production 93/95a cored or coreless

Both my pre production 93A and 95A were uncored V6. I'd say probably a week or so with the 93A, and maybe a few days with the 95A. I slappy curbs pretty much every day though.

You know how your wheels will eventually start turning a slight light red from slappying red curbs? Once that's there, I stopped noticing the sticking on both the 93A and 95A.

Don't get me wrong, I can grind farther with a 99A, but the initial sticking on crooks definitely eased up for me.

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« Reply #5405 on: August 09, 2022, 08:46:33 AM »
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5406 on: August 09, 2022, 08:51:54 AM »
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.

Mind sharing your ankle physical therapy exercises somewhere? I could definitely use some greater dorsiflexion.
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« Reply #5407 on: August 09, 2022, 08:56:24 AM »
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5408 on: August 09, 2022, 09:10:57 AM »
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
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That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.
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I've had 3 pair and never bent the axel, but I understand experience may vary. The baseplates wear fast because they are magnesium (atleast in the original model) magnesium is softer as aluminium. Same thing happened with my destructo. While not optimal, I think it's a sacrifice you make when you chose to skate a lighter, less durable material. This catch on coping thing IDK, I'm more likely to blame myself over the truck for something like that.

They do turn pretty great, I went street skating last weekend and was really hyped on how I was swerving

Yeah, I'm just shy of 200 pounds and my axles were pretty bent and had a small crack near the pivot cup on the baseplate after about a week. Really really loved how they grinded though. Except for on certain coping. I'd also like to blame myself, but had a friends board and did a side to side and it truly was night and day. It wasn't even sticky or dry too. Probably not all metal, but there is definitely material that the magnesium just doesn't grind properly

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« Reply #5409 on: August 09, 2022, 09:37:29 AM »
Any guesses on the factory these USA MADE swirl wheels from TGM what other brands use them?

https://tgmskateboards.com/blank-skateboard-wheels-swirl-99a-usa-made-black-orange-52mm-x-31mm/




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« Reply #5410 on: August 09, 2022, 10:54:13 AM »
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Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.
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Mind sharing your ankle physical therapy exercises somewhere? I could definitely use some greater dorsiflexion.

Much of what I was prescribed at the time is now popularized by Ben Patrick AKA KneesOverToesGuy:

-Weighted calf and tibia raises. Also some lateral ankle movements with weight.
-Single Leg Romanian Deadlifts with DBs
-Split squats where the knee went over the toe.
-Cossack squats.
-The kookiest sounding one that is actually quite hard is to stand 1 footed on something like a mattress with your eyes closed and try to balance.
-I was also prescribed a lot of hamstring and calve stretches.

His basic progressions are pretty similar and started assisted, then unassisted, then weighted. I've seen you ride or are knowledgeable about bikes so before the PT I was using custom Specialized S-Works shoes they normally give the pros and I had both D2 and Riivo orthotics. The custom shoes were similar to consumer models but generally used a different upper and a stiffer carbon layup near the rear of the shoe with a higher arch. I was using Speedplays with a bunch of wedges and shims and bullshit. After I was able to buy off the shelf S-Works shoes and basically run the BG Fit orthotics that I built up a tad in the rear foot using some firm rubber. I ran stock Dura Ace pedals with zero shims and bullshit.

I've done something similar to recover from rupturing all the ligaments in my ankle last year as well. I am still on a quest to find a stable skate shoe with the board feel I prefer, but I can actually skate Vans with no issue.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5411 on: August 09, 2022, 01:25:22 PM »
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just popping in to say 97a f4 slides great and in my experience they do not feel bouncy.
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Same.

IMO a simple ‘90s (decade) urethane feeling wheel, bonus -no flatspots.
Yeah i have the 97A f4 classic shape in 56mm and have used it in multiple scenarios on multiple boards. i find that they slide great and feel very responsive. there’s a slight bounce when compared to 99a f4s but i expected that. i also think they are a pretty fast wheel but again, like most soft wheels they slow down on smoother skatepark concrete. on chunkier stuff they handle it really well. I have no reason to try “dragons,” as it seems there’s way more downsides than upsides. also not to keen on buying a product named “dragons.”  kinda corny lmao

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« Reply #5412 on: August 09, 2022, 02:00:50 PM »
I mean the body of evidence so far is a Dan Corrigan video where he skates a park and a brick spot, The hokey Nein Club ad on super iced curbs, and a single poster on Slap that admits to not doing many grind on them. They are not bad wheels, but they're not necessarily life changing.

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« Reply #5413 on: August 09, 2022, 02:17:45 PM »
Where in the United States do you live that has not even a curb to grind? You literally claim these wheels grind and slide fine so it's weird you claim that then say you haven't grinded.

Frankly at this point I think you're full of shit. I am not even that great and can revert on 97s just fine on just about any surface. Again- I didn't realize I even had them for a fairly long time. You'd have to be going really slow for that. And you can still control the revert.

Most of your posts in the last few months seem to be about these wheels, which there are now obvious glaring holes in your story about what you tested them doing. Powell should send you a box for your hard work.

Also since I did see your post history why did you pay for Fallens?

The poster in me wants to laugh that you're digging 15 pages deep into post history seething over plastic wheel opinions.

But the empath in me wants to ask you how your week has been and ask if everything is going okay in your personal life these days.

Hope you're doing well. Not meaning to upset anybody here.
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« Reply #5414 on: August 09, 2022, 02:44:15 PM »
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.

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« Reply #5415 on: August 09, 2022, 02:49:33 PM »
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.

I think you and your forbidden 4" need to cool off and take a break from the internet for the day.
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« Reply #5416 on: August 09, 2022, 03:16:04 PM »
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.


Dude you come off as a know it all, smug asshole. Most of the Pals here are whiny self righteous Redditors but God damn dude you really take the cake. Many people on here have given their opinions on these wheels, and I'm not saying they're perfect, but you wanna flex that "I'm a real skater shit" and call out people for their gear choices and abilities like that shit matters. People have different experiences with the same gear all the time. Go ahead and look through my post history and try to shit fling IDGAF, that kind of stuff is just straight up bitch made behavior and shows how much of a terminally online dork you are.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5417 on: August 09, 2022, 05:52:52 PM »
Any guesses on the factory these USA MADE swirl wheels from TGM what other brands use them?

https://tgmskateboards.com/blank-skateboard-wheels-swirl-99a-usa-made-black-orange-52mm-x-31mm/



I don't know enough about certain wheel factories, but Creative Urethane seems to be the main one, USA based that makes a ton of wheels for every market, from blanks right through to pro brand wheels and all shapes, sizes, duros, even colours so that would be my guess.

Totally a guess though.

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« Reply #5418 on: August 09, 2022, 10:26:50 PM »
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Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.
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Dude you come off as a know it all, smug asshole. Most of the Pals here are whiny self righteous Redditors but God damn dude you really take the cake. Many people on here have given their opinions on these wheels, and I'm not saying they're perfect, but you wanna flex that "I'm a real skater shit" and call out people for their gear choices and abilities like that shit matters. People have different experiences with the same gear all the time. Go ahead and look through my post history and try to shit fling IDGAF, that kind of stuff is just straight up bitch made behavior and shows how much of a terminally online dork you are.

The person I was calling out was making claims about a product that they couldn't and didn't adequately test. This thread comes up when you Google the product in question. People reading those glowing reviews won't realize it's from one person over and over.

Then those of us that had a negative thing to say get drowned out and told they grind fine, by someone that admits to not doing grinds with them.

I clicked their profile cuz I was curious about how long they've been posting and if there was posts I missed that might back up their claims. I found it curious that in 5 months this poster has tried more wheels than most people who skate ever will. This same poster seems to be realllllly nitpicking wheels. So often that it's kinda hard for me to trust a firm opinion. I would get this if there was something to go along with it.

It's not about being the best, but you likely have to have a certain awareness, proficiency, and basic ability before it matters. It's like the YouTubers who do review of products, such as shoes, comment about the flick, but can't consistently land a kickflip. That person isn't even at a level where a shoe's flick matters yet. A person commenting about a wheel being "great for everything" but doesn't grind or really give details isn't someone I trust. I didn't question anyone else because they didn't make such detailed, bold claims. Id respect the person more for just saying "ya I really like the way they ride and I enjoy them more than _____"

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« Reply #5419 on: August 10, 2022, 06:50:00 AM »

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« Reply #5420 on: August 10, 2022, 07:00:34 AM »
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
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« Reply #5421 on: August 10, 2022, 07:08:25 AM »
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn

Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway

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« Reply #5422 on: August 10, 2022, 07:59:26 AM »
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn

I thought the lesbians thing was a serious joke, but after some thinking and googling I can't come up with a lesbian skater that's not riding Spitfires

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« Reply #5423 on: August 10, 2022, 08:46:36 AM »
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Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
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Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway

Formula x isn’t any worse than formula 4  it’s better than dragon. Dragon sounds like what would be cool to a 40 something weekend warrior type. I say that as a 37 year old who gets the bulk of their sessions in on the weekend.

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« Reply #5424 on: August 10, 2022, 08:53:23 AM »
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Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
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Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway
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Formula x isn’t any worse than formula 4  it’s better than dragon. Dragon sounds like what would be cool to a 40 something weekend warrior type. I say that as a 37 year old who gets the bulk of their sessions in on the weekend.

I'm a 49 year old who gets the bulk of sessions on the weekend, and my first Powell board was a Mike V Elephant in 1988.   

Dragons is a dumb name.  Full stop.   But I have a set because I don't really care that much about the name.

Powell art / marketing baffles me.   As Neil Blender said in Footage - "It's 1990 boys. Let's get rid of the skeletons."    Sure, keep one graphic in each of the sizes that is the ripper or skull/sword to be your heritage line - but why are their current pros all getting a skeleton on their board and having one graphic per year?  I like flight decks.  I think their mold that they are using on the 8.0-8.5 popsicles works well.  I think their graphic department suuuuuuuuuckkkks.


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« Reply #5425 on: August 10, 2022, 09:39:45 AM »
I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5426 on: August 10, 2022, 10:22:31 AM »
I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
They tried to innovate their graphics once and fucked up and created half of the World art department. Feels like there's been a never again policy since.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5427 on: August 10, 2022, 11:42:05 AM »
I had Powell Dragons on a Sci Fi and a Killing Floor.

Also, I know Powell has had the Dragon for a long time, but did anyone realize that by calling the wheels "Dragons" they gave it the name of a create that spits fire? Subtle jab?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5428 on: August 10, 2022, 12:13:16 PM »
Yes, pages ago.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3824610;topicseen#msg3824610

Semantics: Dragon's would breathe fire, not spit it.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5429 on: August 10, 2022, 12:24:16 PM »
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I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
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They tried to innovate their graphics once and fucked up and created half of the World art department. Feels like there's been a never again policy since.

If you're talking about Angel Boy... I actually have a soft spot for those decks. A lot of them were awful, but some of them had a bit of charm to them. I would rather skate an Angel Boy deck than a dragon deck personally.

I never bought one but I would look at them and go "ah okay that's kinda neat I guess".

Their logo isn't even that bad... They could have some decks in the style of their logo and put something decent out. I just can't stand the dragons and skeletons and swords. It's seriously some of the worst art in skateboarding imo.
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