Wheels Thread

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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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[tzhangdox]

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I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess

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This is what I've been hoping for/saying all along only to have that concept get shit on in favor of the second coming of christ in 93a form because someone skates in a fucking rock quarry.

Lmao yeah. I imagine for most ledge/rail/curb centric skaters that currently skate, and are happy with f4s and don't want something feeling very different, the 95 or 97 production ones will probably be much better.

93as serve a good purpose, but its not an f4 replacement unless you want something that feels very very different.

[FuzzGNU]

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I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess

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This is what I've been hoping for/saying all along only to have that concept get shit on in favor of the second coming of christ in 93a form because someone skates in a fucking rock quarry.

Lol, genuinely made me laugh. It feels like that sometimes.

I've tried to make it very clear from the start that the issues I had with the 95a were probably due to the hub/core. They were so close to being great, that I have high hopes for the official release.

Sorry if my excitement has been a bit much. After cycling through F4 97 and STF 99, I was getting pretty bummed that I wouldn't be able to find a good wheel for where I currently live... These came around at the perfect time for me, so I've been pretty ecstatic about spreading the word to anyone else that has to deal with Midwest crust.

[Xen]

It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

[tzhangdox]

It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

[lamfordie]

Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.

[Xen]

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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.

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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'

[GardenSkater77]

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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.

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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'

Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.

[yourbreakfsat]

Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.

He is sponsored by Powell and doesn't disclose this (I didn't bother watching the whole video so I don't know if he did disclose this later on, but generally this should be done at the beginning).

In general, you guys need to stop treating videos from Youtubers that Powell sponsors as unbiased reviews :v

- Zach Dolleing
- Dan Corrigan
- Christopher Hiett
- Whoever else has a Youtube channel in here: https://powell-peralta.com/team/

[FuzzGNU]

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Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.

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He is sponsored by Powell and doesn't disclose this (I didn't bother watching the whole video so I don't know if he did disclose this later on, but generally this should be done at the beginning).

In general, you guys need to stop treating videos from Youtubers that Powell sponsors as unbiased reviews :v

- Zach Dolleing
- Dan Corrigan
- Christopher Hiett
- Whoever else has a Youtube channel in here: https://powell-peralta.com/team/

Damn, good call. I had no idea who this guy was. That's scummy as fuck. I watched the video when it first got posted here, and I don't recall him disclosing that in the video.

EDIT: Looking at the thumbnail, I guess I should have known because who the fuck rides Powell Peralta griptape unless they are getting it for free lol...

[Mbrimson88]

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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.

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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.

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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'

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Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.

I still have some of the older Spitfire 92 and 95 Soft Ds (which are reasonable but not great), as well as the original formula 92s, 95s and 97s (which seem to hold up better), so although I have preferences for each with different terrain, I would also prefer something like the F4 95 duro wheels over the 97s, if it came down to it.

Sure the Formula Four 97s in both Conical Full and Classic shapes that I bought and have on boards are a bit more of an easier ride than the 99s or 101s on some things, but the 95s are just in the right duro bracket for all rounders, if the 99s are a bit too slippery.

If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

[Frank and Fred]

If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

100%.

Options are good. There is enough difference between the 99s and 97s that I am sure the 95s will be different enough to suit some people better than the 97s. I believe Spitfire have been talking about these for awhile... I'm curious if they are working on a new softer cruiser type wheel also, as the 80HDs really aren't that great and don't seem to be that available anymore.

[Jennydeath]

any word on the bones experimental wheel release?

[iw0]

any word on the bones experimental wheel release?

latest news was this i believe?

Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne

[skatebruh]

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.

I'm old enough to remember all this.

Before STFs, you'd hear the flatspotted wheel motorcycle sound every other day at the skatepark.

When STFs came out nobody wanted to skate anything else.

Then Formula 4s came out and within 2 years no one (on the east coast at least) was riding anything else.

If history repeats itself and we get even better wheels from both Bones and Spitfire that sounds good to me.

[Jennydeath]

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latest news was this i believe?

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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne

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thanks!

anyone skate those Jim greco 55 conical wheels?

[LebowskisRug]

I ran into a Bones sponsored rider at a skateshop yesterday and he had 95s on his board. They had a graphic on them. I asked how he liked them and the dragons and he said "they're a bit slow and sticky but great at (insert some spot name I don't remember" and he was putting on a fresh set of SPF since he's a park/X Games dude. Apparently he thought when he landed certain airs he felt they pushed him off balance.

[sk8n hugon]

A word on the durability of the Dragon wheels: I have heard multiple people say that they are durable despite being soft. That has not been my experience. 2 of 4 wheels are already worn down to 48 from 52, and my back heel wheel has edge flat spots from poor form sliding while pivoting out of board slides on curbs. Never had those on any other wheel. The wheel looks really weird if you look at it from the side. It’s not flatspotted across the wheel though, so no helicopter sound. Regardless, I still love these wheels and will ride them for everything except bowls.

[tzhangdox]

Damn just measured my prototype 95s which were 54, they’re all 52 now and Iv skate them no more than ten times total. Maybe they do shrink a lil faster. Small chunk too but no flat spots for me

[LebowskisRug]

Softer will wear faster especially since everyone is probably trying to slide these as much as they can to verify Powell's claims.

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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.

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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.

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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'

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Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.

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I still have some of the older Spitfire 92 and 95 Soft Ds (which are reasonable but not great), as well as the original formula 92s, 95s and 97s (which seem to hold up better), so although I have preferences for each with different terrain, I would also prefer something like the F4 95 duro wheels over the 97s, if it came down to it.

Sure the Formula Four 97s in both Conical Full and Classic shapes that I bought and have on boards are a bit more of an easier ride than the 99s or 101s on some things, but the 95s are just in the right duro bracket for all rounders, if the 99s are a bit too slippery.

If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

Oh. I had a set of the 92 soft D’Souza. Worst of all worlds with that one! The 80hds were a huge improvement(after the whole wheels ripping thing was addressed) the sucked for nose/tails but worked fine for everything else. I could even get reverts on transition if I was drunk enough to forget I was riding my cruiser.

[FatGuy92]

i swear he said he wasn't gonna review them but i'm all for more Ben content

[Sloppy Krooks]

What I got out of the video was

Dragon 93a is smoother and slower than Spit F4 97a, but while they stick a bit more than a hard wheel, SF 97a are stickier.

Dragons are suboptimal for smooth conditions, but maybe the best all-round wheel for rough ones.

[goodatmeth]

Daddy Ben coming to the rescue and making me accept that I don't need these wheels. Thank you.

The consensus from experience (and also physics) is that a wider riding surface should powerslide better on rough ground, right? So the 97a even had an advantage in terms of shape and still slides worse. Powell really made something weird and great here. Still no idea if I'm gonna get 95a or 97a, but 93a isn't the one for me.

Btw do you guys think it would be smart for bones to completely drop (the current) 99a? Because they clearly are inferior to f4 99a. Maybe bones 97a will be the new 99a. I trust Ben when he says the 93a dragons slide as good or better than the 99a bones, because those kinda suck.

[manysnakes]

Softer will wear faster especially since everyone is probably trying to slide these as much as they can to verify Powell's claims.

Yeah, softer wheels are less dense and will wear more quickly. My 54mm 97a Spitfires would always be at ~50mm within a couple of months of regular skating. Comes with the terrain.

[manysnakes]

What I got out of the video was

Dragon 93a is smoother and slower than Spit F4 97a, but while they stick a bit more than a hard wheel, SF 97a are stickier.

Dragons are suboptimal for smooth conditions, but maybe the best all-round wheel for rough ones.

Basically what every beta-tester on Slap has been saying for two months now.

[LebowskisRug]

Except our pall Fuzz and a few other minions, but fuck it, it's wheels, try them and if you hate them sell them. It's not a house.

[FuzzGNU]

Except our pall Fuzz and a few other minions, but fuck it, it's wheels, try them and if you hate them sell them. It's not a house.

Dude, you have an unhealthily obsession with me. You gotta chill with that. I've been ignoring you, but it's getting out of hand.

Have you ever been checked for a learning disorder, specifically in regards to reading comprehension? I never once said I personally grinded with these wheels as you keep continually lying about.

People entered the thread asking about the wheels and I summarized what other users already said in the thread. I also summarized those kooked out vlogs so no one else has to watch that shit. I am able to watch them on a second monitor while working, not everyone has the luxury to waste 25 mins of their life watching some barely editted vlogs like you and I do.

I said "grinds seem to depend on the type of grind and the surface, but nothing seems to really be a deal breaker" and you started crying about how bad you are at crooks and how you're afraid to skate faster when doing slappy grinds, and started flaming and saying everyone who disagrees with you is bad at skating.

Guess what. Ben did crooks, bluntslides, and lipslides and said that these wheels were 8/10 slides for all of them when compared to hard ass wheels. He literally is agreeing with everyone in the thread besides you, while you are tweaking out and insulting people for disagreeing with you.

Someone posted a video of them doing a crooked grind slappy saying they grind great and you went "no, actually they didn't grind great for you" and started an argument with them.

I'm not sure what's going on in your personal life, but you're giving me major divorced-guy energy right now with how you keep acting. Quit being a freak.

[Frank and Fred]

So far the most impressive thing about these wheels is their ability to cause virtual interpersonal conflict.