Wheels Thread

[Mbrimson88]

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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/

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Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.

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Just wanted to share an update that I noticed about these for those who might be interested:
Tactics has the images of these up and these new Burners are treaded unlike the old F1 urethane.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/burner-skateboard-wheels/white-blue-99d

I would be more interested in seeing where they come from, but my guess is they are much more like a generic blank wheel from an unknown manufacturing facility with a Spitfire name on them, than any other past formula or existing wheel they have had before.

I know having tread or having a smooth surface is really just wheel manufacturing choice, but I also feel like the better wheels all had the smooth riding surface, almost like someone realised they skate just right from the first run without the tread, when compared to all the older wheels you had to ease in and wear off the tread first before going too hard, otherwise flat spots or slip outs would be the most common thing to happen in the first session or two.


Also interesting to see the price difference, compared to the original formula and of course Formula Four wheels.


$29.95 for these new ones, which as stated is a starting price wheel

$35.95 to $39.95 for the original formula, most being around $38 price

$41.95 to $48.95 for Formula Four wheels, most being around the $45 price


No Lil Smokies to compare those, but on average they were about the same or lower than the original formula in some shops, but then at the lower end of the other Formula Four wheels in other shops.

[diplodocus]

Would like an opinion on this.

I usually ride radial shapes, so medium width with round edges. I swapped to some Bones V5, a skinny conical, and found my thunders to become way more tippier. Now I swapped to a conical full and my trucks are way more stable. Anyone else find the same thing?

On aces my classics were perfect on that set up. But with the same conical fulls they were too much and felt too much like a tank. Do trucks change how a wheel performs to you?

[Frank and Fred]

I agree and Ihave  tried saying this before but I do believe the contact width impacts how a truck turns/ feels, yes.

Lebowskisrug was adamant that this is impossible because he has friends who work on race cars.

[Mulldrifter]

for sure it has an impact look you never tighten the same trucks the same way with hard wheels 52mm or cruiser fat and wide over 56mm.
to me thats not the trucks who change how the wheel feel, thats the wheels who change how the trucks feel.
i always tend to tighten less with my big wheels, even if i risk wheelbite just because it's less agile

[JM]

I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

[Xen]

I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

[JM]

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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

  hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

[munchbox]

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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

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  hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

post a setup
white and black should be fine really

[JM]

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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

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  hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

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post a setup
white and black should be fine really

Will do. I got a picture from a few days ago with the old board on the setup thread, and the new deck waiting. I’ll post pics of it put together.

(And your sig is amazing: it’s good to have more understanding of those with awkward social interactions. It’s good to be reminded of that especially at skateparks. I’m really awkward myself.  You mean, skateboarding attracts the awkward loners? No way! SHOCKED. lol, I still have social issues, and I’m having to learn to work in a heavy team/customer service environment. It’s rough going, but getting better. A lot of days I wonder what the hell is wrong with me and why can’t I get just be normal around most people.)

[Xen]

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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

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  hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

Of course it's allowed I like to match, if I can (the problem with have too much gear is you can)

[JM]

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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

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  hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

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Of course it's allowed I like to match, if I can (the problem with have too much gear is you can)

Posted up on set-up thread.  you're making me want to go buy the white-dipped indy's.

Drool...

[Xen]

The dragons and x97s potato out so bad, they're one session away from it... possibly worse than F4tatos. They ALL work, yellow or not (if I buy spits I go for colors/swirls..); FYI the 'glow' spits seem to stay 'less brown' for longer.

[JM]

The dragons and x97s potato out so bad, they're one session away from it... possibly worse than F4tatos. They ALL work, yellow or not (if I buy spits I go for colors/swirls..); FYI the 'glow' spits seem to stay 'less brown' for longer.

rad.  someone with an itching to start a wheel company should call it Skatatos    "Skuh-Tay-Toes"

Make a little cartoon potato busting nice crooked grind.... and call it the Fry-on-Grind.     Could have another ad with a backside Ketchup Slide.

[Xen]

It's been a minute but anyone commit to riding the OJ double duros? They seem to be out of the 'protoype' faze and on the market as pro and team wheels.

[Mbrimson88]

It's been a minute but anyone commit to riding the OJ double duros? They seem to be out of the 'protoype' faze and on the market as pro and team wheels.

@yourbreakfsat is the man for that.  Posted a good review and had said he would have preferred getting his money back or something similar, which was all I needed to know about those wheels.

They are the most expensive wheels on the market here in AU, not sure about elsewhere, but even more expensive than / beating out the fast rise in Spitfire Formula Four wheel prices, only without the good things that Formula Four wheels bring to session.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg4100200#msg4100200

[JM]

X99’s vs x97 report:

X99’s are higher pitched squeak, sound like normal wheel but not as crazy barky as SPF.

Noticeably more hard than x97 and rolls over crunchy asphalt pretty well, but not as good as x97… but still magically good.

Easier to slide around than x97.

I think for my rickety old joints, I may go back to x97 if only for the softer landings.

If I was young and buck, I would enjoy the x99’s more as they are closer to “normal” skate wheels, and don’t have the weird soft rolling sound.

Definitely getting V1 next time as well, as they are more fun than V5 to do any tricks on. 

(V1 and V5 have the same ride patch for 52mm so it shouldn’t have anything to do with ability to smooth out crust)

Final thought: if x99 became the only option, I wouldn’t be mad because it surely could be more widely accepted by skaters since it doesn’t have the soft wheel dead sound like the x97’s kind of have. And if I get too old to skate hard wheels completely, then I should move my ass to Dragons anyway. I do like the middle ground of soft vs. hard with the x97’s though.  I can see why Bones did x99’s on rider feedback because the x97’s don’t sound or feel EXACTLY like a “normal wheel” even though they slide and grip just fine, if not for just maybe a little too grippy for bluntslides.)

[Kaydubbb]

Wheel recommendations for a jack of all trades master of none street and park wheel? Looking for something with grip at the smooth concrete park, but still retain some speed on the asphalt. Riding some 99a STF wheels currently and they feel mushy and slow on the road so I'm skeptical about going even softer like the F4 97a or the dragon 93a. I typically like the way a harder wheels roll and feel but haven't found the right one for grip at the park. Looking for something around 54mm in a classic shape.

Edit: more or less looking for a hard wheel that is still grippy.

[Xen]

99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.

[Kaydubbb]

99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.

Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?

[rikki]

X99 is the shit if you're looking for an all-around wheel. Reality is that there's no wheel that's a be-all-end-all wheel to tackle everything, but the X99 comes pretty close. Handles everything from rough asphalt to slippery indoor parks (where e.g. F4 can feel too slippery for many people) while feeling like a real wheel and not deadly silent like e.g. Dragons. The slide and bark are there, too.

X97 is good as well and feels more like a real wheel compared to Dragons, but is a bit slower than the X99. Slides great, less bark, wears out fast.

Dragons are awesome for some really f*cking crusty shit but I don't really like them anywhere else as they are too silent and soft-feeling for my taste. But if the lack of "feel" is not a problem, they work pretty much everywhere as well. Friend of mine rides them everywhere from smooth concrete parks to indoors. They are surprisingly fast.

Haven't flatspotted any of these yet. The X97 seems to wear out fast, though.

All in all Powell and Bones have done some fantastic work on wheels lately.

[goodatmeth]

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99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.

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Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?

Absolutely! Even the X formula 97a slide better than the STF 99a.

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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

[rikki]

for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

Definitely slideable, especially the X99.

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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

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Definitely slideable, especially the X99.

but lemme ask you this lemme ask you this! were you able to slide dragons?
maybe it’s just a me issue

[JM]

x99 great all-rounder yup 👍

X97 is greater all rounder too, especially if you have bumpy asphalt you need to get over to make it to the smooth skatepark. But damn, they will gouge if you do hard power slides in the rough. Little rocks taking scoops. Personally, I really love being able to roll around on the crust every now and then. Less worrying.

The x99 does okay too, just a bit louder on rough ground. If I was doing bluntalides I’d probably prefer them for sure.

Both do nose slides just fine. And crooked. (I don’t remember ever getting caught or stuck)

I wish I had STF experience to compare. I only have F4 99, bones 99, SPF 84B, x97, x99.

F499 felt slow compared to SPF and x97 (x99) on smooth skatepark concrete. Bones 99 did somewhere in the middle, but damn were they soft and silent. They should discontinue the bones 99 and just run the x formula hard. Magic wheels.

[goodatmeth]

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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

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Definitely slideable, especially the X99.

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but lemme ask you this lemme ask you this! were you able to slide dragons?
maybe it’s just a me issue

Dragons slide amazing on asphalt. Not so much on smooth concrete. The worse the ground, the better the slide

[LebowskisRug]

Dragons slide well on asphalt and I felt the 97 slid better than my 99s.

No way in hell the X99 are as fast as F499 on smooth skatepark concrete, but the difference isn't super huge.

[goodatmeth]

Dragons slide well on asphalt and I felt the 97 slid better than my 99s.

No way in hell the X99 are as fast as F499 on smooth skatepark concrete, but the difference isn't super huge.

Same wheel shape on then 97/99 slide comparison? That would be a bummer if they slide worse

[Xen]

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99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.

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Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?

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Absolutely! Even the X formula 97a slide better than the STF 99a.

Yeah, the 99a STF are really a terrible wheel since whatever reformulation they did.

for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

Yes, both the x97 and x99 slide just fine, they shine on, as one can assume, rough terrain...try sliding a 99a or 101a anybrand on rough terrain and see what happens.

x99s slide better on smooth surfaces say, for blunt or lip slides than an x97, better for pinch grinds too.

Mixed terrain where you don't want to swap wheels, x99s will server you everywhere.

[TwisT]

How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.