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[Nth syd bear]

 50mm dragons.   Hope these make it over here

[Mbrimson88]

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https://socalskateshop.com/Powell-Peralta-Dragon-Formula-Dragon-Skateboard-Wheels-White-50mmx30mm-93a.html

Haven't seen this mentioned but thought it was interesting to see 50mm dragons. Considering the only people I see skating 50's are older dudes running late 90's set ups, this seems like a match made in heaven.

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First the OMEGAs and now this...crazy

50mm dragons.   Hope these make it over here

I often wonder how small softer wheels can go before they really just feel like a slow mushy mess, but maybe with these newer formulas, they can help smaller wheels still roll fast enough to be worth skating for longer.

I also get why 54 mm and up softer wheels are just not of interest to a lot of people who just would not really want to have a bigger wheel that makes their skating not work for them too - trying some of my older and much bigger (almost 60 mm sized) wheels for anything other than going fast just seems frustrating when I have been skating a lot of well worn down and modified / machined wheels that are now closer to 50 mm than the original 54 / 56 or even 58 mm in various shapes when new.


* Also just machined down a set of 52 mm Classics that were maybe 48 or so to make some Lil Beatdowns that come in around 43 mm in diameter, quite laughable really, but I also could not justify paying money for any wheel of smaller size when I can have a go at making some from old wheels, sort of like Lil Smokies in a DIY environment.

Pic beside a set of similar 52 mm Classics now sub 50 mm worn down wheels for reference.

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i have some bones v1 52mm x97 wheels, and they are nice for skating a setup with venture lo’s.

[Nth syd bear]

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https://socalskateshop.com/Powell-Peralta-Dragon-Formula-Dragon-Skateboard-Wheels-White-50mmx30mm-93a.html

Haven't seen this mentioned but thought it was interesting to see 50mm dragons. Considering the only people I see skating 50's are older dudes running late 90's set ups, this seems like a match made in heaven.

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First the OMEGAs and now this...crazy

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50mm dragons.   Hope these make it over here

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I often wonder how small softer wheels can go before they really just feel like a slow mushy mess, but maybe with these newer formulas, they can help smaller wheels still roll fast enough to be worth skating for longer.

I also get why 54 mm and up softer wheels are just not of interest to a lot of people who just would not really want to have a bigger wheel that makes their skating not work for them too - trying some of my older and much bigger (almost 60 mm sized) wheels for anything other than going fast just seems frustrating when I have been skating a lot of well worn down and modified / machined wheels that are now closer to 50 mm than the original 54 / 56 or even 58 mm in various shapes when new.


* Also just machined down a set of 52 mm Classics that were maybe 48 or so to make some Lil Beatdowns that come in around 43 mm in diameter, quite laughable really, but I also could not justify paying money for any wheel of smaller size when I can have a go at making some from old wheels, sort of like Lil Smokies in a DIY environment.

Pic beside a set of similar 52 mm Classics now sub 50 mm worn down wheels for reference.

They look really good in that photo,    you obviosly done this before?
 

I tried skating a set of 52 dragons down to 50's , 

they started to lose their charm around 51mm and about 6 months of being on my main setup

50mm 99a f4s are my favourite wheel ever,
 but ill mess around with other wheels and temporarily change my mind

[theloniousmonk]

i have some bones v1 52mm x97 wheels, and they are nice for skating a setup with venture lo’s.

I just ordered a set of the v1 x97 from warehouse skateboards last night. The only v1 s I’ve seen in x97
Have the chain logo, and they are a few seasons old and I was happy to find some still available.

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i have some bones v1 52mm x97 wheels, and they are nice for skating a setup with venture lo’s.

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I just ordered a set of the v1 x97 from warehouse skateboards last night. The only v1 s I’ve seen in x97
Have the chain logo, and they are a few seasons old and I was happy to find some still available.

same ones i got. went into an out of town shop, wanted to support, but ….didnt want a shirt.
the formula really helps the size and shape still be effective.
on the other end of things i’ve been skating a setup with some 56 radial fulls (really wish they were 54s, but oh well). the formula four 99s feel/sojnd/vibrate in that true and real way, they feel ‘correct’. and then the size and shape makes up for the lack of formula forgiveness.
i am now weirding myself out

[Mbrimson88]

They look really good in that photo,    you obviosly done this before?
 

I tried skating a set of 52 dragons down to 50's , 

they started to lose their charm around 51mm and about 6 months of being on my main setup

50mm 99a f4s are my favourite wheel ever,
 but ill mess around with other wheels and temporarily change my mind

Yeah I have messed around with cutting / reshaping a lot of wheels, but this set was a little more tricky and I had each wheel back on the board for a touch up a few times, just to get them right.

Kind of wild considering it was just an angle grinder and an hour, but that's how it goes.


I skated them today on a normal board (not anything exciting) and a few others had a go on it too, so although it was fun and interesting, I think around 50 mm is my minimum for any kind of normal wheel.  It makes sense though - given I have a few sets of wheels worn down to about that size I have reshaped and work well for a tech setup or for smaller things.

[minilogoflow]

One session in and some cruising around the neighborhood but these omegas are a lot of fun. Ever since the x99 came out I was hoping bones would make something like this. X99 is definitely my favorite formula across all the brands, it's so versatile and works for my type of skating. No need for multiple set ups now imo. For perspective, I'm riding a 8.8 BBS blank and ace classic 55's and these wheels complete the monster truck/EE3 larp set up I've always dreamed of haha.

[moonordie]

One session in and some cruising around the neighborhood but these omegas are a lot of fun. Ever since the x99 came out I was hoping bones would make something like this. X99 is definitely my favorite formula across all the brands, it's so versatile and works for my type of skating. No need for multiple set ups now imo. For perspective, I'm riding a 8.8 BBS blank and ace classic 55's and these wheels complete the monster truck/EE3 larp set up I've always dreamed of haha.

Even tho my fav wheel is F4 99 I agree that X99 are the most versatile ones by far. They feel so damn good while skating street.

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How much different is the bearing seat offset between the Rat Bones vs Nano cubics?

[Mbrimson88]

How much different is the bearing seat offset between the Rat Bones vs Nano cubics?

Overall they look pretty similar, both to the inside edge or close to it.

Rat Bones wheels are wider and maybe do have a little width over the inside bearing too.

Nano Cubics seem to be flush with the bearing on the inside, even though the pic shows them to then come out a bit from the bearing to the outside edge of the wheels.


Pics found online:

Nano Cubics wheels




Rat Bones wheels

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Gnar’d….its insane how you actually give researched answers……

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How much different is the bearing seat offset between the Rat Bones vs Nano cubics?

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Overall they look pretty similar, both to the inside edge or close to it.

Rat Bones wheels are wider and maybe do have a little width over the inside bearing too.

Nano Cubics seem to be flush with the bearing on the inside, even though the pic shows them to then come out a bit from the bearing to the outside edge of the wheels.


Pics found online:

Nano Cubics wheels




Rat Bones wheels

Great info, thank you!

[Mbrimson88]

Gnar’d….its insane how you actually give researched answers……

I guess more than anything it is fun to find this stuff out too, as I am more curious about a lot of different products I don't usually have much contact with, but through everyone else asking questions on here, then I often think "That would be interesting to find out" so then I go looking.

The joys of skateboarding, when I can only be on my board so much, or there are only so many different things I can mess with, change, boards to setup, etc in person, but I can also find out more interesting things and see what others have done with their own setups, as well as find product info online.


It works both ways in that regard.

[Dmng]

Im having a bit of hernia in my back. Nothing too bad and I’ve already had it a few times, it usually just goes randomly.

I ride x99 - would x97 or spitfire 93 make any difference ? I can also invest in more ibuprofens 

[Sloppy Krooks]

Im having a bit of hernia in my back. Nothing too bad and I’ve already had it a few times, it usually just goes randomly.

I ride x99 - would x97 or spitfire 93 make any difference ? I can also invest in more ibuprofens

They aren’t magic, but they definitely take the edge off crust.

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Im having a bit of hernia in my back. Nothing too bad and I’ve already had it a few times, it usually just goes randomly.

I ride x99 - would x97 or spitfire 93 make any difference ? I can also invest in more ibuprofens

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They aren’t magic, but they definitely take the edge off crust.

dude that sucks. i’m sorry

i complain a ton about my body pain, but back pain is next level.

dragons/x97 are the soft wheels i’ve tried, and they help my legs and feet, just like @cucktard said, it takes the edge off. maybe like riding a larger volume lower pressure bike tire, and the effects it can have on wrist pain. or swinging a lighter hammer. it’s subtle, but helpful.

[flocke]

Im having a bit of hernia in my back. Nothing too bad and I’ve already had it a few times, it usually just goes randomly.

I ride x99 - would x97 or spitfire 93 make any difference ? I can also invest in more ibuprofens

also have backpain and had a herniated disc. Skating x97 now, i can have longer sessions with them and also can skate the next day. I also tried x99 and noticed, especially if im skating on concrete or asphalt,  that my back starts hurting way sooner. So i would suggest you to try the x97 best wheel for me at the moment if you struggle with back/knee pain etc. Makes skateboarding fun again

[Xen]

Im having a bit of hernia in my back. Nothing too bad and I’ve already had it a few times, it usually just goes randomly.

I ride x99 - would x97 or spitfire 93 make any difference ? I can also invest in more ibuprofens 

Yeah, they're not magic, especially in that regard. Back pain is gonna be tied to your knees/hips / your shoes / impact (unless you've thrown your back out sneezing like us old people have happen). I've switched to wide/barefoot shoes and high arch insoles full time: skating, at home, working/going out; unless I am sleeping I've got shoes on. Doing this has easily dropped my lower back and knee pain down significantly.

The amount of foot soreness/ache after session due to 101a/103a wheel vibration compared to an x99/97/spit 93 is fkn crazy. With the latter *I* don't get it (and presumebly it helps with knee pain and thereby some back pain as vibration travels throughout your body), but it takes you skating both to notice what the effects are either on your skating (slide tricks) or your body (aches and pains).

The different between and x99/97/dragon/spit 93 is marginal depending on crust level; x99 and spit 93s are damn near the same with spits sounding better, being a tad slower, softer and stickier....by just a bit.

They for sure help with impact as well, but like beefy shoes, they don't fix the impact problem, just lessen it so you can get a few more tries in/feel less broken the next day.

TL;DR dropping down to 93spits/dragons from bones x99 won't fix your back.

[CarcassToss]

Ya honestly my feet feel better bc of less vibration but it's my lower back, legs, etc doing the popping. Soft wheels won't save me from landing primo or ankle roll.

Personally the 93 Spit slow down less on coping so I prefer them to X99, but both are great and the V5 shape is top notch. Just pick one and you'll be happy. I'm a DLX sycophant so naturally I'll always prefer Spits but I don't regret trying Bones out.

On a random aside, has anyone ridden Satori recently? My local is closing out a ton of them and they have some nice shapes and I've been told their 101 feels like a 99 Spit but grippier.

[rikki]

With regards to Spit 93 vs. X99, I just switched from the former to the latter the other day as I switched from one complete to another.

Some say there's not a lot of difference between these two, but for me the X99 feel harder for sure. I'm riding a lot of crusty-ass asphalt spots so it's easy to notice minute differences in hardness. The difference between the two mentioned isn't huge, but it's there. There's a bit more vibration involved with the X99. Speed difference isn't big either, but at crustier spots I think the Spits outperform the X99.

Mind you, both are among my very fave wheels and I can do my day-to-day skating with either pretty much just as good.

Oh yeah, and I do get a spicier/livier feeling from the Spit 93 as compared to the X97. I might've said this before, but the Spit 93 has pretty much made my X97s useless. It's between Spit 93 and X99 for me these days when skating my usual street spots and parks.

On a side note -- I thought I could be arsed to swap to normal Spit 99s whenever I ride smooth concrete parks, but nah, I think I can be happy with the X99s.

Dragons? They're on my cruiser nowadays. No use for them elsewhere, really.

[Xen]

With regards to Spit 93 vs. X99, I just switched from the former to the latter the other day as I switched from one complete to another.

Some say there's not a lot of difference between these two, but for me the X99 feel harder for sure. I'm riding a lot of crusty-ass asphalt spots so it's easy to notice minute differences in hardness. The difference between the two mentioned isn't huge, but it's there. There's a bit more vibration involved with the X99. Speed difference isn't big either, but at crustier spots I think the Spits outperform the X99.

Mind you, both are among my very fave wheels and I can do my day-to-day skating with either pretty much just as good.

Oh yeah, and I do get a spicier/livier feeling from the Spit 93 as compared to the X97. I might've said this before, but the Spit 93 has pretty much made my X97s useless. It's between Spit 93 and X99 for me these days when skating my usual street spots and parks.

On a side note -- I thought I could be arsed to swap to normal Spit 99s whenever I ride smooth concrete parks, but nah, I think I can be happy with the X99s.

Dragons? They're on my cruiser nowadays. No use for them elsewhere, really.

Sums up how I feel about them as well, point for point.

Haven't touched dragons since the x97s and haven't touched the x97s since x99s released and just moved the spit 93s to my kids' board today. x99s truely work everywhere; I've high hopes for the upcoming spit 97s (but it seems like we're just getting standard spit wide wheels, hoping for just a 'plain' conical at 52mm...)...but BONES recently eluded via insta that more shapes are coming for the x99s (hopefully a V2 or V3 since they have most wide shapes covered already).

[Dmng]

Thanks for your feedback guys !
I’ve bought radial 54mm 93d and I’m very happy about it. The wheels are much faster than x99 on city road / parking kind of surface and street in general. I find the slide to be better than on x99, the wheels don’t drag when grinding ledge so I’m very happy.  I think my back will be happy too, I did a long session so I hope when cooling down my back won’t become painful

Overall I find them quite similar to x99 but more comfortable, much better to commute and with a nice slide. Also note that I’m a terrible skater so my opinions not worth so much

[kimchi]

I've switched to wide/barefoot shoes and high arch insoles full time: skating, at home, working/going out;

What wide/barefoot shoes are you running? I run minimalist / barefoot shoes full time but haven't yet found a skate shoe wide enough for my hobbit feet. I've had ok success with some NBs (currently in Foy 306) but even those my midfoot starts cramping up after a couple hours.

[rocklobster]

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I've switched to wide/barefoot shoes and high arch insoles full time: skating, at home, working/going out;

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What wide/barefoot shoes are you running? I run minimalist / barefoot shoes full time but haven't yet found a skate shoe wide enough for my hobbit feet. I've had ok success with some NBs (currently in Foy 306) but even those my midfoot starts cramping up after a couple hours.

Altra specializes in wide running shoes, not minimalistic but definitely wide enough to not pinch the forefoot.

https://www.altrarunning.com/

NB does wide shapes on specific shapes like the 440v2, look out for those with the "e" suffix at the size number.

https://www.newbalance.com/pd/nb-numeric-440-v2/NM440V2-45403.html#dwvar_NM440V2-45403_size=11.5&dwvar_NM440V2-45403_style=NM440BNG&dwvar_NM440V2-45403_width=D&pid=NM440V2-45403&quantity=1

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I've switched to wide/barefoot shoes and high arch insoles full time: skating, at home, working/going out;

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What wide/barefoot shoes are you running? I run minimalist / barefoot shoes full time but haven't yet found a skate shoe wide enough for my hobbit feet. I've had ok success with some NBs (currently in Foy 306) but even those my midfoot starts cramping up after a couple hours.

Right now I've settled on Xero Prios for the gym (with a high arch insole, yeah yeah, defeats the 'barefoot' aspect, but I''m after the width and need the arch support for the knees). Some Nike runners in 2E and 440v2 wides.

Skated some 1010s today (10.5) bit of heel slip (hopefully it goes away) but they're plenty wide where I need it.

[j....soy.....]

Maybe ABP but it looks like STF is peaced, but I understand it’s coming back….for now though it looks like the focus is on the X formula….

[Texas_Tone]

Maybe ABP but it looks like STF is peaced, but I understand it’s coming back….for now though it looks like the focus is on the X formula….

Gonna scoop some I seen on the uniondiscount.net site earlier this week, V5 103 is my jam

[Xen]

Maybe ABP but it looks like STF is peaced, but I understand it’s coming back….for now though it looks like the focus is on the X formula….

Yeah, I posted a bit ago that they were seemingly dead (they're still removed from the skateone site as an option to select) but the 'STF' page is still around; X-formula sold where the STFs (due to f4) weren't.

It was posted that there would be a new drop of STFs 'soon' - I keep checking (and for the X-formulas in 'other shapes' per bones insta, hopefully V3/V2s). Nothing yet.

Still lots of 103 stfs out there, just have to hunt and peck. Wharehouse Skateboards has the bulk of them it seems. I've been scouring old ebay listings and small shops to try and locate some old/deadstock bone-white STFs from back before the formula change.

For now, I'm back to riding 'slim' 101a Rictas. No one is making truly slim wheels that are hard these days. I mean HARD wheels that most people would hate [in the streets] and slim like Nigels old 'super slim' wheel from Ricta. 103 STFs have that plasticky/high rebound feel, whereas 101 spits have that softer gummy feel (not sticky gummy like dragons).

[AlumarX]

I got STF 103s and Loopholes 52s as my last set of hardwheels just to have around. X99s are the jam. I left my X97s in Puerto Rico and they were perfect there, since everything gets crusty from rain and you can ride them in asphalt on a pinch, but I felt no reason to bring them back home. Definitely gotta try the Spit 93s though

Edit: After riding the 103s, I think I like them better than the X99s for the fairly smooth park I ride (the only decent one in town). They're not as hard as I thought. Definitely prefer them over Spits apart from the slide sound