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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3000 on: February 13, 2025, 02:35:16 PM »
For anyone that’s skated the Grosso shape in 9.25”, what size trucks did you use? I’m thinking of either AF1 66 or Thunder 161 with 59mm Radial Fulls.

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I set one up just recently and tried a number of truck width options on it.  Any 8.75 trucks just felt too narrow for my liking, but others do enjoy it like that.

The post below has the Indy Stage 4 166, which is a 9" truck so really any other approximately 9" truck does work really well on it, with a little wheel out the back as it tapers a fair bit, but it feels stable, compared to the 8.75 trucks which just feel a little too tippy for the overall width of the board.  I currently have Indy Stage 11 169s on it now, also drilled in baseplates and rounded off the kick corners, but that is not really here or there, when just skating it as is, without modifying it.

Wheel width can also have a part to play but I think overall any normal width wheel would fit well on a 9" truck, so any of those options you mention would work well.  I also put big wide wheels on just to see and it was good.

For either wheelbase option, the Ace trucks might just be a little more "normal" feeling, which is why I started with the Stage 4 Indy trucks, and Classics, much like Jeff Grosso had on his own boards, but more than anything, Ace bring the longer wheelbase in.  I used the 14.75 option for mine too.  Felt a bit more normal than the 15.25 option, but I am not skating vert on it so I didn't need the really long wheelbase anyway.




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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3001 on: February 19, 2025, 07:22:29 PM »
I do like the Anti Hero 9X33.25 with an 15" WB, I probably on my seventh one in the row. Maybe try making the length of the board like maybe an 32.25 instead. Also maybe the wheelbase like an 14.75.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3002 on: February 19, 2025, 07:37:46 PM »
It's been years since I've skated one but I do remember the 8.12 Anti-Hero and Real boards I skated had a magical shape. I skate wider decks now but that shape is all time for me.



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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3003 on: February 20, 2025, 10:18:18 AM »
I do like the Anti Hero 9X33.25 with an 15" WB, I probably on my seventh one in the row. Maybe try making the length of the board like maybe an 32.25 instead. Also maybe the wheelbase like an 14.75.
Nice, what trucks have you been using with them?

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3004 on: February 20, 2025, 10:48:43 AM »
@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3005 on: February 20, 2025, 01:03:40 PM »
@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?
the 8.75/14.62wb
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3006 on: February 20, 2025, 01:07:58 PM »
Would be nice to get the old T MO shovel shape back. Just the shape.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3007 on: February 20, 2025, 01:08:20 PM »
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@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?
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the 8.75/14.62wb
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3008 on: February 20, 2025, 02:07:30 PM »
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@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?
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the 8.75/14.62wb
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Cream Team Eagle


The cream eagle is the longer 8.62 shape which is more commonly used by bowl and vert guys that I know, but the white eagle is the 8.75 all rounder shape, that more people seem to like for everything.

I am tending to ride it more often than not nowdays, mainly because I am able to jump on it at a moments notice and just do laps or have a gentle roll round at the indoor park if someone asks for trick tips or I just need to stretch my legs, but also because it is so much easier to ride when I am feeling lazy or haven't warmed up, compared to my usual 8.38 board.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3009 on: February 20, 2025, 02:09:09 PM »
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@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?
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the 8.75/14.62wb
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Cream Team Eagle
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The cream eagle is the longer 8.62 shape which is more commonly used by bowl and vert guys that I know, but the white eagle is the 8.75 all rounder shape, that more people seem to like for everything.



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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3010 on: February 20, 2025, 02:12:03 PM »

My bad, good looking out.


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3011 on: February 20, 2025, 02:50:58 PM »
@Sedition what is the bigger DLX deck that you like?

As @Mbrimson88 said, the bigger DLX shape I like is indeed the 8.75/14.62 (usually the White eagle). However, that has been superseded and replaced by the Back Label 8.75/14.5 deck. Why? Well, here comes turbo-nerd stuff.

The 8.75 DLX always felt a tad too long for me. On tricks where I need feet on both nose and tail at same time [e.g. nose stall reverts on ramps, slappy k-grinds, nollie tailslides (on lower stuff where less of an actually nollie is needed), etc.], or when I have to transfer from the back of the board to the front of the board (e.g. f/s nose blunts, nose grinds, nose slides, 180 to fakie nose wheelie, etc.), my stance always felt a tad too wide and awkward...as if I was a 10-year-old riding a full-sized deck. The slightly shorter WB on the Black Label gives me the stability of an 8.75, but it's a tad more agile, and my stance feels more natural. Yeah, it's only a tiny bit shorter, but I absolutely notice it. The 8.75 DLX also has a giant nose...it's 7.18" or something. The nose on the 8.75 LBL is bit shorter, which, for me, makes the over-all ratios just feel/work/look a lot better (and I get better nollie pop on the LBL). Last, the two decks have almost the exact same shape, which is great (I love the shape...basically same as 8.25/14.38 DLX, but bigger). Yeah, an 8.75 is on the clunky side for hardcore tech (I don't do much of that anymore these days), but 8.75 LBL is the best all-around deck I've ever skated. I could ride it on big transition, mini ramps, curbs, ledges, etc. I'm actually riding my 8.25/14.38 DLX less and less these days, the 8.75 Label more and more. I also need to toy around with the 8.5/14.5 Black Label a bit more, too. It's also the same shape as the 8.75 and DLX/LBL decks, just narrower. It's oddly a tad longer than the 8.75 LBL (all in the nose), which makes it seem a tad long in relation to it's width. I wish it had the same length nose as the 8.75 LBL.   

EDIT: If you like the shapes of the DLX 8.25 and 8.75, but want something with different wheelbases, check out the all of the Black Label "standard cut" decks. I know some people have complained that the DLX 8.25/14.38 is too wide, or the WB is too long. The 8.25 LBL is 14.25wb and tad narrower than the DLX 8.25, but basically has the same shape.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3012 on: February 21, 2025, 12:05:23 PM »
I actually had a chance to give a whirl to the Cream Eagle today, felt really nice and suprisingly light for such a wide deck. The shape feels like it wants to go fast. Been sizing up a bit lately, was on 8.125's and 8.25's for a long while, now on an 8.4, liking the evolution, might give the Cream Eagle a shot at some point.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3013 on: February 21, 2025, 02:26:22 PM »
I actually had a chance to give a whirl to the Cream Eagle today, felt really nice and suprisingly light for such a wide deck. The shape feels like it wants to go fast. Been sizing up a bit lately, was on 8.125's and 8.25's for a long while, now on an 8.4, liking the evolution, might give the Cream Eagle a shot at some point.

Try the white eagle. It’s WAY more agile than the cream one, despite being a tad bit wider. @Mbrimson88 back me up on this one?!?
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3014 on: February 21, 2025, 03:11:09 PM »
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I actually had a chance to give a whirl to the Cream Eagle today, felt really nice and suprisingly light for such a wide deck. The shape feels like it wants to go fast. Been sizing up a bit lately, was on 8.125's and 8.25's for a long while, now on an 8.4, liking the evolution, might give the Cream Eagle a shot at some point.
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Try the white eagle. It’s WAY more agile than the cream one, despite being a tad bit wider. @Mbrimson88 back me up on this one?!?


OK, here is my run down on them, also including another one in here too.


8.75 shape, 32.5 long, 14.62 wb, some taper from a big blunt nose down to a more rounded tail

For a board to just want to pick up and have a roll around with, the 8.75 white eagle is the one, especially for an all rounder, that just feels pretty "normal" for a bigger board without feeling too long or too cumbersome.  I have quite a few of them set up, mainly with different wheel options, Spitfire F4 Classic Full 99, Radial Full 97, etc just so I can enjoy a lap anywhere if I want to.  Although it is bigger in size and weight than my usual 8.38 or 8.5 I can still feel like I can do everything on it, with only a little more effort


8.62 shape, 32.7 or so long, 14.75 wb, no taper, straight rail from front to back, slightly longer more rounded kicks

For a board that does have a longer wheelbase, longer overall and maybe more so a vert or big bowl type board, but not something quite as big as the orange eagle (9 x 33 with 15 wb), then the cream eagle is the preferred option for a lot of those guys as it is a little more agile and still feels like a big board, without so much of the extra heft of the orange eagle.  I also enjoyed rolling around on it and could see if I did still skate fast or skate bigger things, it would work very well for me - I am taller so it works well enough in that regard.  Just using it on my tiny little mini ramp or round a small (in height) skatepark, it almost seemed too big a few times - I could still skate it, but it was a little more of a reach, if that makes sense, doing a few things on it.

This also translates to the Blue Meanie, which is also a 14.75 wb, but although it says 8.75 in width, it is very minimally 8.75 at the shoulder and tapers down closer to 8.5 for the back half, but when skating it, it would work better on vert, big bowl or for someone who likes a longer wheelbase, is taller, has a wider stance, etc.


I have at least one of all of them, sometimes more than one, just to have different options for trucks, wheels, etc.  I am 6'2" or so and don't mind longer boards as I have longer legs, but I also don't end up looking like a five year old on a full size board, even on the orange eagle at 15" wb.


Hope that helps.


* With all the fun (not madness) redrilling wheelbases and messing with baseplates in double drilled options, I often find that bringing in some of the wb on longer boards makes them easier to skate, to a degree, but then it also makes the kicks very light, or way more mellow feeling too, which can be a good or bad thing for some people.

I did bring in the nose on the longer 14.75 wb boards just to see how it skated and it was way easier overall - .25" with the double drilled baseplate, which was funny because I thought I liked them longer, but around 14.5 wb is also just right, when I am not really doing a whole lot, so from that I can also understand how some other boards like the Black Label 14.5 wb options work really well too.

For things like this, there is no definite right or wrong answer, but it really depends on how you skate and how you like your board to feel, longer or shorter, blunt or rounder or even pointy, steeper or more mellow, etc.





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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3015 on: February 21, 2025, 03:13:58 PM »
Is that Chris Cope shape a one and done kinda thing?

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3016 on: February 21, 2025, 03:17:56 PM »
Is that Chris Cope shape a one and done kinda thing?


Yes - once only from what I understand.

I didn't see any in person, but the bumps down the sides were a little weird and off putting for some people.


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3017 on: February 24, 2025, 07:06:43 PM »
Random observation: I used to see the 8.06 in the “sale” section of various web sites •all the time•. That no longer seems to be the case/pattern. Did DLX stop producing them as much? Shops stop buying them? Both?
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3018 on: February 25, 2025, 03:40:55 AM »
Random observation: I used to see the 8.06 in the “sale” section of various web sites •all the time•. That no longer seems to be the case/pattern. Did DLX stop producing them as much? Shops stop buying them? Both?


Besides the regular team boards, there was only one specific 8.06 in all the current DLX catalogs, for Krooked, but there are the Eyes, the Ovals and the Eagles, along with the Twin, the Tru Fit and the Full SE 8" boards.

Funny about that because I don't really move any boards under 8.25 now, but I did sell an 8.06 eagle and another board to a couple of kids recently who were just passing through.

I guess the market has been changing, because it seems like the regular 8.38 and the 8.5 (8.3) blue eagle shapes are almost the most common now, along with the regular 8.25, 8.75 and a whole lot of other boards, new shapes, etc.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3019 on: February 25, 2025, 10:45:48 AM »
My favorite board in the past 2 or 3 years has been the 8.06 krooked easy rider. I hated the board but then gave it a second go and it became my favorite.

I was going to buy more but i figured i should not get used to the shape since it seemed to be a one and done shape in this size.
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« Reply #3020 on: February 25, 2025, 11:51:15 AM »
Krooked is doing a team deck in the eyes graphic of that shape and it should be a regular drop according to the person at DLX I emailed asking about the availability of the 8.25x14.38 Easy Rider.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3021 on: February 26, 2025, 05:01:07 PM »
What's this DBX construction about in the newest thrasher? I can't find anything about it on real's website



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« Reply #3022 on: February 26, 2025, 05:13:22 PM »
What's this DBX construction about in the newest thrasher? I can't find anything about it on real's website


Must be the basalt decks people were talking about.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3023 on: February 26, 2025, 09:25:04 PM »
^ Interesting.

I have been trying to track down an 8.25/14.38 IV stamp. Local skate shop doesn't have any, so just today I hit up a few Zumies. While there, noticed something I thought odd. I saw a few 8.5 Eagles and 8.5 Ovals. They ALL felt thinner, and just different in some way to me. Almost like I wasn't holding a BBS deck. I thought, "Oh?!? Maybe these is one of the Chinese ones!?" Nope. Had the "Made in Mexico" sticker, and the Roman Numerals. I also noticed the eagle printed on the top was NOT right near rear bolt holes, but a bit further up the deck. I was really, really, really confused by all of it. Was I holding a "DBX Construction," or some other weird anomaly!?!
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« Reply #3024 on: February 27, 2025, 06:09:52 AM »
^ Interesting.

I have been trying to track down an 8.25/14.38 IV stamp. Local skate shop doesn't have any, so just today I hit up a few Zumies. While there, noticed something I thought odd. I saw a few 8.5 Eagles and 8.5 Ovals. They ALL felt thinner, and just different in some way to me. Almost like I wasn't holding a BBS deck. I thought, "Oh?!? Maybe these is one of the Chinese ones!?" Nope. Had the "Made in Mexico" sticker, and the Roman Numerals. I also noticed the eagle printed on the top was NOT right near rear bolt holes, but a bit further up the deck. I was really, really, really confused by all of it. Was I holding a "DBX Construction," or some other weird anomaly!?!
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3025 on: February 27, 2025, 03:55:22 PM »
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^ Interesting.

I have been trying to track down an 8.25/14.38 IV stamp. Local skate shop doesn't have any, so just today I hit up a few Zumies. While there, noticed something I thought odd. I saw a few 8.5 Eagles and 8.5 Ovals. They ALL felt thinner, and just different in some way to me. Almost like I wasn't holding a BBS deck. I thought, "Oh?!? Maybe these is one of the Chinese ones!?" Nope. Had the "Made in Mexico" sticker, and the Roman Numerals. I also noticed the eagle printed on the top was NOT right near rear bolt holes, but a bit further up the deck. I was really, really, really confused by all of it. Was I holding a "DBX Construction," or some other weird anomaly!?!
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Did you notice if the pricetag was $140?


The DBX boards have just hit the latest DLX catalog, so I doubt these would be in shops yet, but I am sure their social media and normal DLX website should have more info coming soon enough for all those keen on seeing them.

I am still waiting on any more info too, re price of the new boards, but we will see.


* Also to note, maybe older stock could be lighter, or even whatever run of those boards that came out maybe whenever after all the covid shutdowns could be different product to what is normally out, even in little ways, but I really couldn't say as to what and where.  Just picking up some older BBS boards, they feel so light, maybe even look a little thinner than fresh current stock, but really I just don't know.  Even things like the heat transfer graphic covering more of the side layer makes a board look thinner too, but overall I don't know anything about the ins and outs of the production and distribution of those products.

I just get what comes to me, look at it, feel it, stand on it, put it away or on the board racks, set them up as needed and do my thing.


** Overall the China made boards are heavier and thicker, compared to the BBS made boards, from what I have seen too, so I don't think you guys there in USA would have many if any China made boards as it is cheaper to drive in the BBS made boards, than ship in the China made boards.


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« Reply #3026 on: February 27, 2025, 04:07:26 PM »
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The DBX boards have just hit the latest DLX catalog, so I doubt these would be in shops yet, but I am sure their social media and normal DLX website should have more info coming soon enough for all those keen on seeing them.

Looks like the first DBX is an 8.38" GT AH. 9 plies: 4 standard maple, 2 thinner maple and 3 Basalt. Overall supposed to be thinner and lighter than 7 ply maple with better flex/ feel than other composite decks. Very curious about the cost but count me intrigued.

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« Reply #3027 on: February 28, 2025, 12:49:29 AM »

** Overall the China made boards are heavier and thicker, compared to the BBS made boards, from what I have seen too, so I don't think you guys there in USA would have many if any China made boards as it is cheaper to drive in the BBS made boards, than ship in the China made boards.

I disagree, I think the weight and thickness difference is practically unnoticeable. I've skated BBS-made DLX decks for a long ass time and upon holding the new China-made ones in my hand, there really is not a lot of difference. I think the China factor results in a whole lot of extra placebo in people's heads.

Edit: actually just now took the effort to measure an older BBS deck and a new China deck (both 8.25). There's no discernible difference in thickness.
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3028 on: February 28, 2025, 02:54:24 AM »
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** Overall the China made boards are heavier and thicker, compared to the BBS made boards, from what I have seen too, so I don't think you guys there in USA would have many if any China made boards as it is cheaper to drive in the BBS made boards, than ship in the China made boards.
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I disagree, I think the weight and thickness difference is practically unnoticeable. I've skated BBS-made DLX decks for a long ass time and upon holding the new China-made ones in my hand, there really is not a lot of difference. I think the China factor results in a whole lot of extra placebo in people's heads.

Edit: actually just now took the effort to measure an older BBS deck and a new China deck (both 8.25). There's no discernible difference in thickness.


I have not checked them with delicate instruments, but someone else did with very precise calipers and a very dialled down digital scale.  Both weight and thickness were slightly more on the China boards.

I will also say that loading and unloading boxes of ten or more of them, people had said they can feel the difference in weight between the boxes of BBS made and the boxes of China made boards.


Honestly though, it really doesn't matter to me what or where with facts and figures, but mainly what a product feels like to me.  I have never been obsessed with the weight of anything, eg I prefer Indy Standards, even on bigger boards, normal wider wheels, etc.

I prefer the BBS boards after skating a few of the China made boards, which for me were too stiff and just felt uncomfortable, apart from one that was well used and came back to me from someone who had skated it for a while - an 8.75 board too, which feels really nice now.

That of course is my own personal preference for the BBS made boards because of their flex and it is what I am used to (going on twenty something years on the same boards), whereas some other people are super stoked on the epoxy boards with the DLX concave, so it is a good thing we have access to both options of those boards as I can still have what I like and they can have what they like now as well.

Best of both worlds, so to speak.


*  Sorry if I come across a bit of a know it all - never mean to be, but I am stoked we get to try both here in AU, as I guess you do where ever you are in the world.  USA only has the one option, as far as I understand it, but someone let me know if that is not the case now.  The only China made boards were "testing boards" that I was aware of for US team and associated persons.


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #3029 on: February 28, 2025, 03:08:37 AM »
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I usually don't do this sort of thing, but I was curious as I just got the China made Horse Pill and I was yet to do anything with the BBS made Horse Pill, so I put them both on the kitchen scales just to see and was quite surprised by the result here.
 
Maybe it is more so with this big 10" board or maybe more noticeable than with smaller boards, but the proof is in the figure for this one.

Not about to measure thickness as I just don't have anything to get a really good measurement on it - my calipers are very cheap, plain and not digital, so almost no difference I can see.  Trying to recall where I saw it, but I think the BBS board was 9.98 mm and the China made was 10.02 or something so again not much but it was a little bit.

BBS made is 1.481 kgs

China made is 1.566 kgs

So a total of 85 grams difference between these two decks of what are supposed to be the same overall dimensions.







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Gone since 1988.  I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.