New Balance # containment thread

[Bubblegum Tate]

[jay_nev]

[Esmith5488]

255’s are a half size up?

[moonordie]

255’s are a half size up?

Yup

[RossDailey]

255’s are a half size up?

Fit True to Size

Only NB#'s I have on repeat, I think I'm on my 6th pair

[pointandclick]

i got to met Roth and the NB# boys in november, forgot to post this in here.

[cricketclub]

^ Sick!

Since Numeric is one of the two companies I know for sure checks SLAP, just wanna let y’all know you’re killin’ it. Awesome designs and quality.

[weon]

does the 288 sport fit the same as the 288?

[Dad you're embarrassing me]

does the 288 sport fit the same as the 288?

A tad roomier

[weon]

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does the 288 sport fit the same as the 288?

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A tad roomier

thx homie
ordered a white/royal pair of the 288S
look comfy

[HugeBodBoyle]

I got some 288s to go with my 440's and man, I feel like I skate good in them because I feel like I look good in them. One of the better looking shoes I have had on my feet in a while.

[Crap]

Can anyone give me some definitive intel on what the sole is like on the 440? I've read 'very flexible for a cupsole' some places, and 'a little stiff out of the box others,' and I've found conflicting information on whether or not there's a midsole, and what it's made of. I'm looking for a supportive cupsole with at least a bit of midsole cushioning. Trying to avoid anything too floppy/thin.

I warranty returned a paid of 913's (the plastic eyelet piece broke on one after a few days of walking in them), so I now have credit to use at the NB online store. One of my local shops carries NB#, but doesn't have any of the models I like, so I can't try them on, and I'd rather not order online and return 10 times.

I liked the support/cushioning on the 913's, but found them a bit narrow in the heel (I wear orthotics and they didn't quite sit right in there). Handled a pair of the 288S in the shop, and could tell that sole is too thin for me. I ordered a pair of 420's, but sent them back because they were too big. I didn't love how the uppers felt on the 420's or how they look, but they'd probably fit if I went down half a size. I'm considering getting sized down 420's, 440's, or the All Coasts 574's.

[rothdigga]

^ Sick!

Since Numeric is one of the two companies I know for sure checks SLAP, just wanna let y’all know you’re killin’ it. Awesome designs and quality.

Too kind dudes!  I would pass along the compliment to the design dept...but he's reading this thread now and knows already.  Thanks for the hype Pals. 

[pointandclick]

Can anyone give me some definitive intel on what the sole is like on the 440? I've read 'very flexible for a cupsole' some places, and 'a little stiff out of the box others,' and I've found conflicting information on whether or not there's a midsole, and what it's made of. I'm looking for a supportive cupsole with at least a bit of midsole cushioning. Trying to avoid anything too floppy/thin.

I warranty returned a paid of 913's (the plastic eyelet piece broke on one after a few days of walking in them), so I now have credit to use at the NB online store. One of my local shops carries NB#, but doesn't have any of the models I like, so I can't try them on, and I'd rather not order online and return 10 times.

I liked the support/cushioning on the 913's, but found them a bit narrow in the heel (I wear orthotics and they didn't quite sit right in there). Handled a pair of the 288S in the shop, and could tell that sole is too thin for me. I ordered a pair of 420's, but sent them back because they were too big. I didn't love how the uppers felt on the 420's or how they look, but they'd probably fit if I went down half a size. I'm considering getting sized down 420's, 440's, or the All Coasts 574's.

440's are a wider collar, less athletic, more of a regular shoe than the 913. not floppy, not too stiff. What have you skated recently that you liked? probably best way to figure out if you'll like them.

[Crap]

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Can anyone give me some definitive intel on what the sole is like on the 440? I've read 'very flexible for a cupsole' some places, and 'a little stiff out of the box others,' and I've found conflicting information on whether or not there's a midsole, and what it's made of. I'm looking for a supportive cupsole with at least a bit of midsole cushioning. Trying to avoid anything too floppy/thin.

I warranty returned a paid of 913's (the plastic eyelet piece broke on one after a few days of walking in them), so I now have credit to use at the NB online store. One of my local shops carries NB#, but doesn't have any of the models I like, so I can't try them on, and I'd rather not order online and return 10 times.

I liked the support/cushioning on the 913's, but found them a bit narrow in the heel (I wear orthotics and they didn't quite sit right in there). Handled a pair of the 288S in the shop, and could tell that sole is too thin for me. I ordered a pair of 420's, but sent them back because they were too big. I didn't love how the uppers felt on the 420's or how they look, but they'd probably fit if I went down half a size. I'm considering getting sized down 420's, 440's, or the All Coasts 574's.

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440's are a wider collar, less athletic, more of a regular shoe than the 913. not floppy, not too stiff. What have you skated recently that you liked? probably best way to figure out if you'll like them.

Thanks for the insight - shoes I have liked recently: Nike Dunk, Adidas Tyshawn, Cons Pro Leather.

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Can anyone give me some definitive intel on what the sole is like on the 440? I've read 'very flexible for a cupsole' some places, and 'a little stiff out of the box others,' and I've found conflicting information on whether or not there's a midsole, and what it's made of. I'm looking for a supportive cupsole with at least a bit of midsole cushioning. Trying to avoid anything too floppy/thin.

I warranty returned a paid of 913's (the plastic eyelet piece broke on one after a few days of walking in them), so I now have credit to use at the NB online store. One of my local shops carries NB#, but doesn't have any of the models I like, so I can't try them on, and I'd rather not order online and return 10 times.

I liked the support/cushioning on the 913's, but found them a bit narrow in the heel (I wear orthotics and they didn't quite sit right in there). Handled a pair of the 288S in the shop, and could tell that sole is too thin for me. I ordered a pair of 420's, but sent them back because they were too big. I didn't love how the uppers felt on the 420's or how they look, but they'd probably fit if I went down half a size. I'm considering getting sized down 420's, 440's, or the All Coasts 574's.

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440's are a wider collar, less athletic, more of a regular shoe than the 913. not floppy, not too stiff. What have you skated recently that you liked? probably best way to figure out if you'll like them.

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Thanks for the insight - shoes I have liked recently: Nike Dunk, Adidas Tyshawn, Cons Pro Leather.

I like the same 3 shoes: dunk, tyshawn, pro leather. So I’m listening in for the recs.
I don’t really care about performance, durability, board feel. Just foot pain prevention.

[Crap]

^^ Exactly the same for me.

[cricketclub]

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Can anyone give me some definitive intel on what the sole is like on the 440? I've read 'very flexible for a cupsole' some places, and 'a little stiff out of the box others,' and I've found conflicting information on whether or not there's a midsole, and what it's made of. I'm looking for a supportive cupsole with at least a bit of midsole cushioning. Trying to avoid anything too floppy/thin.

I warranty returned a paid of 913's (the plastic eyelet piece broke on one after a few days of walking in them), so I now have credit to use at the NB online store. One of my local shops carries NB#, but doesn't have any of the models I like, so I can't try them on, and I'd rather not order online and return 10 times.

I liked the support/cushioning on the 913's, but found them a bit narrow in the heel (I wear orthotics and they didn't quite sit right in there). Handled a pair of the 288S in the shop, and could tell that sole is too thin for me. I ordered a pair of 420's, but sent them back because they were too big. I didn't love how the uppers felt on the 420's or how they look, but they'd probably fit if I went down half a size. I'm considering getting sized down 420's, 440's, or the All Coasts 574's.

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440's are a wider collar, less athletic, more of a regular shoe than the 913. not floppy, not too stiff. What have you skated recently that you liked? probably best way to figure out if you'll like them.

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Thanks for the insight - shoes I have liked recently: Nike Dunk, Adidas Tyshawn, Cons Pro Leather.

I would say the most significant difference you will find between those ^ and the 440 is the ankle collar tbh. All those have puffier, higher cut ankles.

As far as sole goes I would say it has better board feel than the Dunk but generally the same ballpark. For reference I think the Dunk has good board feel when broken in.  I can't speak for the other two.

I felt like there was good impact protection. It has a  C-Cap EVA heel wedge which I believe is in the midsole. I don't have the pair on hand with me right now though.

As far as being "a little stiff out of the box" yeah... but that's how I want all my shoes. You gotta put in a little work walking around in shoes for a few days before you skate them. I feel like shoes that feel great right out of the box aren't going to last. I want the shoe to be a tad bit molded to my foot and creased up a bit before I get out there skating. The obsession with shoes that "skate great right out of the box" seems weird to me when the best skate shoes tend to need breaking in. Maybe that's just me though.

[HugeBodBoyle]

My first inclination was to equate the 440 to a Dunk in feel. The toe box feels similar to me, but I think the 440 has a little more in the way of support.

[Crap]

As far as being "a little stiff out of the box" yeah... but that's how I want all my shoes. You gotta put in a little work walking around in shoes for a few days before you skate them. I feel like shoes that feel great right out of the box aren't going to last. I want the shoe to be a tad bit molded to my foot and creased up a bit before I get out there skating. The obsession with shoes that "skate great right out of the box" seems weird to me when the best skate shoes tend to need breaking in. Maybe that's just me though.

Oh yeah, let me be clear here - 'a little stiff out of the box' is like bare minimum stiffness to me - I'm exactly with you. Shoes that are stiff out of the box break in, mold to your foot, and eventually flex where you want them to, while staying stable in the places where you don't want them to flex. Those Cons Pro Leathers especially are bricks when you first get them. Shoes that are 'skate great out of the box' are usually no good to me - they already feel worn out before they leave the store. I'm baffled by that marketing selling point.

My first inclination was to equate the 440 to a Dunk in feel. The toe box feels similar to me, but I think the 440 has a little more in the way of support.

This is like a choir of angels singing to me.

[cricketclub]

My first inclination was to equate the 440 to a Dunk in feel. The toe box feels similar to me, but I think the 440 has a little more in the way of support.

More support? I didn't notice that. Doesn't mean it isn't true though.

As far as toe box goes, the 440 toe box is shallower, with less room to wiggle your toes up and down. It's not too shallow though, it rests just above. I can't stand shoes that bear down. Toe shape is the #1 reason I tried out the 440.

[themanwhomakes]

Skated a couple 440’s. The westgate shoe isn’t wide enough for me, didn’t like my 420’s all that much but might have liked them more in a half size down, loved the 868’s. There’s been a gap in truly protective NB# shoes in 2019, so the 440 made the most sense for me to get. It gets the job done but I would like the shoe alot better with a bit more protection. I have a heel bruise from a missed tre flip while wearing them that’s been messing with me for months. I actually started slipping in a second insole when the sole starts wearing down because it helps prevent my bone spur shit in my popping/pushing big toe from flaring up. Shoes’s like project BA and 868 are my favorites because i felt confident and would never hurt my feet. I’m 28, things are starting to hurt and i’m planning on skating in my 50’s. I would absolutely sacrifice board feel for protection/pain reduction any day. I’ll gladly skate at a lower level if it means less pain and less sessions missed because of injuries. Overall, its a straight forward good and simple skate shoe but i would not consider it a shoe where protection is the priority.

[HugeBodBoyle]

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My first inclination was to equate the 440 to a Dunk in feel. The toe box feels similar to me, but I think the 440 has a little more in the way of support.

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More support? I didn't notice that. Doesn't mean it isn't true though.

As far as toe box goes, the 440 toe box is shallower, with less room to wiggle your toes up and down. It's not too shallow though, it rests just above. I can't stand shoes that bear down. Toe shape is the #1 reason I tried out the 440.

I feel like the midsole on the Dunk is close to not existing, but it has been a while since my last pair of those. My feet don't hurt after a session in 440's, particularly around the heel, so it seemed like the support was more present. Could be completely anecdotal, though.

[cricketclub]

Skated a couple 440’s. The westgate shoe isn’t wide enough for me, didn’t like my 420’s all that much but might have liked them more in a half size down, loved the 868’s. There’s been a gap in truly protective NB# shoes in 2019, so the 440 made the most sense for me to get. It gets the job done but I would like the shoe alot better with a bit more protection. I have a heel bruise from a missed tre flip while wearing them that’s been messing with me for months. I actually started slipping in a second insole when the sole starts wearing down because it helps prevent my bone spur shit in my popping/pushing big toe from flaring up. Shoes’s like project BA and 868 are my favorites because i felt confident and would never hurt my feet. I’m 28, things are starting to hurt and i’m planning on skating in my 50’s. I would absolutely sacrifice board feel for protection/pain reduction any day. I’ll gladly skate at a lower level if it means less pain and less sessions missed because of injuries. Overall, its a straight forward good and simple skate shoe but i would not consider it a shoe where protection is the priority.

Well this is off topic of the thread but the shoes I'm skating now are super protective, have a great midsole, and decent enough board feel: Vans Ultrarange Pro II. I think everyone has to get at least a half size larger for this model (I did) and having wide feet may make them uncomfortable at first. I'm 30 and basically just do a lot of flip tricks and manuals and these things are fucking awesome.

[silhouette]

440's

Nice rep!

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Appreciate the contributions.
That skates great outta the box is one of those fucking horrible tropes, laziest shit, best dude out, style for miles, type of comment. Feels like I read those type of comments from tws for fucking ever. (Whew).
But yeah, it’s like the shoe already sucks when they ‘blah blah blah fresh outta the box’.
I dunno what changed, but I get heel bruises less often, and forefoot pain always. For that reason only the 868 was, although still great, not the end of my quest. The ave shoe is kinda like this as well, super stable, skates great, but I’m def getting hot soles from my feet slapping the ground. I’m closer to 50, than ya’ll, and feel like Air Force 1s would be a reasonable option (they aren’t really, I’ve tried, I’m just saying I’ll try stilts or bricks or whatever the fuck).
After forefoot pain there’s a bunch of other joint pain.  Biggest obstacle to me skating regularly. I’ve tried some ‘out of the box....’ ideas: Harden’s first shoe. Af-1s, several times, and looked at tons of other sports shoes. I’m sure I’m a small part of the skate purchasing world (super old person), but as more of us try and skate into the 50s (and beyond I hope, like at least roll push, maybe ollie a curb) some solutions would be nice. Not the right thread, at all, and I’m sorry for that and this nonsense, but I’m definitely down for weird ideas. The Lebron soldiers looked ....not really skateable. But close. Maybe Jordan 11 low. But Jesus. Anyways.
Nb has made some really well crafted shoes. Some high quality materials. It’ll be cool to see where they take it.

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My first inclination was to equate the 440 to a Dunk in feel. The toe box feels similar to me, but I think the 440 has a little more in the way of support.

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More support? I didn't notice that. Doesn't mean it isn't true though.

As far as toe box goes, the 440 toe box is shallower, with less room to wiggle your toes up and down. It's not too shallow though, it rests just above. I can't stand shoes that bear down. Toe shape is the #1 reason I tried out the 440.

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I feel like the midsole on the Dunk is close to not existing, but it has been a while since my last pair of those. My feet don't hurt after a session in 440's, particularly around the heel, so it seemed like the support was more present. Could be completely anecdotal, though.

Any idea how the forefoot support compares between Dunks and the 440? Dunks aren't TOO thin under the forefoot, but I wouldn't want it to be much thinner.

I'm definitely starting to lean toward the 440's in light of this thread - thanks for your input, everyone.

[HugeBodBoyle]

Appreciate the contributions.
That skates great outta the box is one of those fucking horrible tropes, laziest shit, best dude out, style for miles, type of comment. Feels like I read those type of comments from tws for fucking ever. (Whew).
But yeah, it’s like the shoe already sucks when they ‘blah blah blah fresh outta the box’.
I dunno what changed, but I get heel bruises less often, and forefoot pain always. For that reason only the 868 was, although still great, not the end of my quest. The ave shoe is kinda like this as well, super stable, skates great, but I’m def getting hot soles from my feet slapping the ground. I’m closer to 50, than ya’ll, and feel like Air Force 1s would be a reasonable option (they aren’t really, I’ve tried, I’m just saying I’ll try stilts or bricks or whatever the fuck).
After forefoot pain there’s a bunch of other joint pain.  Biggest obstacle to me skating regularly. I’ve tried some ‘out of the box....’ ideas: Harden’s first shoe. Af-1s, several times, and looked at tons of other sports shoes. I’m sure I’m a small part of the skate purchasing world (super old person), but as more of us try and skate into the 50s (and beyond I hope, like at least roll push, maybe ollie a curb) some solutions would be nice. Not the right thread, at all, and I’m sorry for that and this nonsense, but I’m definitely down for weird ideas. The Lebron soldiers looked ....not really skateable. But close. Maybe Jordan 11 low. But Jesus. Anyways.
Nb has made some really well crafted shoes. Some high quality materials. It’ll be cool to see where they take it.

I mean, I am 44 and the 440 is probably my go to at this point. I'd love to try the 913, so if NB wants to send me a box, we can talk. But I'm a mostly low impact (occasionally jumping down some stairs) guy and this shoe is ticking a lot of boxes for me.

[pointandclick]

i think the 440 would feel closest to the tyshawns for me. where as i skate busenitz more than other adidas. i would say dunks are hard to judge cause ive never fully gotten any to break in where i feel i could skate. as board board feel and thickness, they are thinner than a etnies marana but thicker than a vulc or dunk/busenitz in the forefoot.

[rothdigga]

Skated a couple 440’s. The westgate shoe isn’t wide enough for me, didn’t like my 420’s all that much but might have liked them more in a half size down, loved the 868’s. There’s been a gap in truly protective NB# shoes in 2019, so the 440 made the most sense for me to get. It gets the job done but I would like the shoe alot better with a bit more protection. I have a heel bruise from a missed tre flip while wearing them that’s been messing with me for months. I actually started slipping in a second insole when the sole starts wearing down because it helps prevent my bone spur shit in my popping/pushing big toe from flaring up. Shoes’s like project BA and 868 are my favorites because i felt confident and would never hurt my feet. I’m 28, things are starting to hurt and i’m planning on skating in my 50’s. I would absolutely sacrifice board feel for protection/pain reduction any day. I’ll gladly skate at a lower level if it means less pain and less sessions missed because of injuries. Overall, its a straight forward good and simple skate shoe but i would not consider it a shoe where protection is the priority.

I think the Tiago 1010 is really going to make you happy.  Especially since you liked the 868...but you'll have to wait til July to get them.