The Last Good Movie You Saw?

[G raham]

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I know there's some pretty heavy Western nuts that post in this thread, so I'm wondering if anybody has any recommendations.

I have been on a huge binge lately, but I'm kinda particular about the ones I like; I like dark, dreary, slow and violent westerns.  Not really shoot em up or good guy/bad guy ones.. ones that are just... grim and depressing?  Acid Westerns as they've been called.

Some of my favorites are:

The Hired Hand
McCabe and Miss Miller
Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and the Ugly
Cutthroats 9
The Great Silence
Unforgiven
The Shooting
Pat Garret and Billy The Kid
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

anybody have any obscure ones they really love?

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The Proposal. Australian western written by Nick Cave.

the proposition i think its called

[Glue Reed]

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I know there's some pretty heavy Western nuts that post in this thread, so I'm wondering if anybody has any recommendations.

I have been on a huge binge lately, but I'm kinda particular about the ones I like; I like dark, dreary, slow and violent westerns.  Not really shoot em up or good guy/bad guy ones.. ones that are just... grim and depressing?  Acid Westerns as they've been called.

Some of my favorites are:

The Hired Hand
McCabe and Miss Miller
Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and the Ugly
Cutthroats 9
The Great Silence
Unforgiven
The Shooting
Pat Garret and Billy The Kid
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

anybody have any obscure ones they really love?

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Hostiles is streaming on Netflix and I feel like you'd enjoy that. Also Slow West is one I really enjoy. It just got taken off Netflix, but worth checking out.

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Yeah I've checked those out, loved them both.  I just watched 60's Western called Hombre with Paul Newman that was pretty cool, worth checking out..

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The Passenger, mastroiani movie starring jack nicholson. existential tale set in europe and africa, similar feel to Blow Up though not quite as good imo.

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Is that the one with Maria Schneider?  If it's that one I've been wanting to check it out... couldn't find it streaming anywhere though?  I love Nicholson movies from that period.

Just watched a Russian film, Come and See....  this could easily be the best movie I've ever seen, and without a doubt one of the most disturbing and depressing.  It is about a young boy in Nazi-occupied Belarus during WWII and it was horrific and phenomenal.  It was visually and audibly amazing, and the story was heartbreaking.  Not sure if anybody else has seen it but I would love to hear what other people have to say about it.

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havent seen it but saw a youtube video on it saying its the gnarliest horror film of all time that didnt try to be a horror film. the translation of the title is a bit off where it originally was called 'Walk and look' or something, as in you're being commanded by a superior to witness the atrocities and you can't look away. dunno if ill watch it shit like this that actually happened is on a different level of fuckedness in my eyes tends to be more upsetting than entertaining but i dont blame people for making these types of movies

i'm assuming you watched this video?



I watched this one too, before I ended up watching the movie.  The video has spoilers but doesn't affect the impact of the movie at all.  Talks about everything from the true story behind the massacre, the director and screenwriter growing up during that period, the live ammunition, the affect it had on the lead actor (who deserves a lifetime of oscars for his role). 

This movie has been bouncing around in my head for about 3 days now, I'm still blown away by it.

the title comes from the book of revelations, which fits perfectly into the horror of reality:
"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." 

[theSketchLord]

Watched Little Monsters today, great film.
Actually quite moving in places, I'd imagine even more so if you have kids.

Was surprised to find despite the US main stars it was filmed here in Australia.
Josh Gad is fucking hilarious.

[Deputy Wendell]

Just watched a Russian film, Come and See....  this could easily be the best movie I've ever seen, and without a doubt one of the most disturbing and depressing.  It is about a young boy in Nazi-occupied Belarus during WWII and it was horrific and phenomenal.  It was visually and audibly amazing, and the story was heartbreaking.  Not sure if anybody else has seen it but I would love to hear what other people have to say about it.

thank-you for bringing this to my attention bea!--i ordered the Criterion Collection edition today.

i'm amazed that i've never encountered this film. i minored in film as an undergrad (and Russian cinema was a focus at times--shit, maybe a little too much time on the French New Wave and the Italian Neo-Realists) and it has continued to be a focus through my MA work and through my PhD course work, so i'm seriously surprised that this is the first time i've heard of it...

...another reason i love Slap, and again, i appreciate you putting this up here bea! although i have to say that after watching a few clips and trailers, i can already tell that this is one of those rare films that one both looks forward to and dreads watching...

[botefdunn]

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I know there's some pretty heavy Western nuts that post in this thread, so I'm wondering if anybody has any recommendations.

I have been on a huge binge lately, but I'm kinda particular about the ones I like; I like dark, dreary, slow and violent westerns.  Not really shoot em up or good guy/bad guy ones.. ones that are just... grim and depressing?  Acid Westerns as they've been called.

Some of my favorites are:

The Hired Hand
McCabe and Miss Miller
Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and the Ugly
Cutthroats 9
The Great Silence
Unforgiven
The Shooting
Pat Garret and Billy The Kid
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

anybody have any obscure ones they really love?

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The Proposal. Australian western written by Nick Cave.

The Brave Cowboy,Kirk Douglas. from a novel by Edward Abbey

[Glue Reed]

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Just watched a Russian film, Come and See....  this could easily be the best movie I've ever seen, and without a doubt one of the most disturbing and depressing.  It is about a young boy in Nazi-occupied Belarus during WWII and it was horrific and phenomenal.  It was visually and audibly amazing, and the story was heartbreaking.  Not sure if anybody else has seen it but I would love to hear what other people have to say about it.

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thank-you for bringing this to my attention bea!--i ordered the Criterion Collection edition today.

i'm amazed that i've never encountered this film. i minored in film as an undergrad (and Russian cinema was a focus at times--shit, maybe a little too much time on the French New Wave and the Italian Neo-Realists) and it has continued to be a focus through my MA work and through my PhD course work, so i'm seriously surprised that this is the first time i've heard of it...

...another reason i love Slap, and again, i appreciate you putting this up here bea! although i have to say that after watching a few clips and trailers, i can already tell that this is one of those rare films that one both looks forward to and dreads watching...

nice.. i hear the dvd has some good interviews with the lead actor and the director.  would love to hear those stories.

I heard about it awhile ago because it was always popping up on those 'most disturbing movies ever' lists.  Usually mixed in with movies like Salo and those stupid/shitty torture-porn movies like August Underground and the like... Which is another shocking thing about Come and See is how little graphic violence there is in it; there's hardly any blood whatsoever. 

It's also an extremely well made movie.. the cinematography and sound design are incredible, and it ventures into artsy but it has a purpose to the story.  I really can't say enough good things about it.

I haven't seen too many Russian films.. a couple Tarkovsky movies and that's about it.  I really need to see more.

I look forward to hear what you have to say about it.

The Brave Cowboy,Kirk Douglas. from a novel by Edward Abbey

Right on... I have never seen this one.  Renting it tonight.

[brycickle]

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I know there's some pretty heavy Western nuts that post in this thread, so I'm wondering if anybody has any recommendations.

I have been on a huge binge lately, but I'm kinda particular about the ones I like; I like dark, dreary, slow and violent westerns.  Not really shoot em up or good guy/bad guy ones.. ones that are just... grim and depressing?  Acid Westerns as they've been called.

Some of my favorites are:

The Hired Hand
McCabe and Miss Miller
Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and the Ugly
Cutthroats 9
The Great Silence
Unforgiven
The Shooting
Pat Garret and Billy The Kid
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

anybody have any obscure ones they really love?

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The Proposal. Australian western written by Nick Cave.

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the proposition i think its called

You are correct. I was sleepy.

[jamersonbass]

I'm a sucker for some cosmic horror and practical effects and I watched the void on shutter for the first time about a week ago and have since watched it 2 more times. Holy fuck, it's incredible.

Big fan of practical effects as well, and the Void is amongst the splattiest, squishy movies I've ever seen.  I'm not the best at predicting the endings of movies, but never really would've expected the 3rd act.

Is Shutter worth it?  Seems like it's becoming the Amazon Prime of horror with their quality of content.

[augustmoon]

For 5 bucks a month Shudder is very worth it. They have a ton of good stuff, and the Joe Bob Briggs movie marathons are really fun

[DarthDingusMaximus]

Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Sal󠍊o
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

[ihatejulio]

Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

[augustmoon]

For 5 bucks a month Shudder is very worth it. They have a ton of good stuff, and the Joe Bob Briggs movie marathons are really fun

also there's this really cool Twitch channel called Cathode Cinema that shows a marathon of cult films every night.  They have different curators and always have something interesting.  This is what's on tonight:

[Garth Marenghi]

Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Sal󠍊o
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

El Topo and Holy Mountain are neither Italian nor horror. Great films, tho.

[DarthDingusMaximus]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Sal󠍊o
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

a lot of Lions Gate films where they have gratuitous gore.

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Sal󠍊o
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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El Topo and Holy Mountain are neither Italian nor horror. Great films, tho.

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Glad for the correction sir Alexandro Jodorowsky is quite polarizing within that 70's directors. I lumped him in with Pier Paolo Pasolini, Álex de la Iglesia, William Lustig, and other cult classics such as Day of the beast, Maniac, Gates of Hell, Zombie, Cannibal Feroux point being I tend to blend everything in to either horror or fucking weird shit.

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[Dong Hanglo]

Jojo Rabbit

[ihatejulio]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

[live, laugh, love]

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For 5 bucks a month Shudder is very worth it. They have a ton of good stuff, and the Joe Bob Briggs movie marathons are really fun

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also there's this really cool Twitch channel called Cathode Cinema that shows a marathon of cult films every night.  They have different curators and always have something interesting.  This is what's on tonight:

I just followed them on Twitch. Looks cool. Thanks.

[DarthDingusMaximus]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

[close]

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

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Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

[Glue Reed]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

[close]

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

[close]

Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

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Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

Yeah as vile and depraved as Salo is... I wouldn't really consider it 'torture porn', compared to movies like Flowers of Flesh and Blood, August Underground or Serbian Film.  Salo does have some artistic merit (even Martin Scorcese is a fan!), although it's a movie I never ever, ever want to see again.  What's even crazier is the movie is TAMER than the book it's based on. 

I actually watched that movie on a fucking date with this goth/industrial/'boyd rice fan' type-of-girl, it really fucked me up for a few days. 

[ihatejulio]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

[close]

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

[close]

Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

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Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

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Yeah as vile and depraved as Salo is... I wouldn't really consider it 'torture porn', compared to movies like Flowers of Flesh and Blood, August Underground or Serbian Film.  Salo does have some artistic merit (even Martin Scorcese is a fan!), although it's a movie I never ever, ever want to see again.  What's even crazier is the movie is TAMER than the book it's based on. 

I actually watched that movie on a fucking date with this goth/industrial/'boyd rice fan' type-of-girl, it really fucked me up for a few days.

I'm not debating if Salo has artistic merit or not, it clearly does and is a very important film within Italian cinema. But I absolutely would call it a preface to those contemporary movies you listed.

Just as a Serbian Film or Hostel satirizes the modern elite class and depicts extreme violence and depravity to achieve its subtextual meaning, Salo too pushes forth the use of extreme violence to excoriate Italy's social system of the 70s. The authority figures in “Salo” are fascist officials whose regimen of humiliation seems motivated less by sexual desire than by the exercise of total power and control. In Hostel, an organization called the Elite Hunting Club allows wealthy people to pay to mutilate tourists as a direct exercise in total power and control.

Salo takes place in an art-film universe of country houses, modern art, chamber music and fine furniture. It's exploitation canvased as sentimentality that Pasolini sells to the audience perfectly. Pasolini’s premise acknowledges the perverse erotic appeal of fascism, but his main concern was the rise of consumer capitalism and its ability to reduce human bodies to commodities. In Hostel, people are quite literally being sold as commodities to the elite. Although Salo does not fit into the direct lineage of torture porns contemporary gory aesthetics and generalized Hollywood production treatment of the 2000s, it absolutely is a preface to the genre itself.

Yes, I do think that Salo has more artistic merit than Human Centapide or any of the Saw movies. But my argument is that they both share similar subtexts that deserve acknowledgment. Sorry for the essay, I love talking about cinema. Take care yo.

[DarthDingusMaximus]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

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Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

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Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

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Yeah as vile and depraved as Salo is... I wouldn't really consider it 'torture porn', compared to movies like Flowers of Flesh and Blood, August Underground or Serbian Film.  Salo does have some artistic merit (even Martin Scorcese is a fan!), although it's a movie I never ever, ever want to see again.  What's even crazier is the movie is TAMER than the book it's based on. 

I actually watched that movie on a fucking date with this goth/industrial/'boyd rice fan' type-of-girl, it really fucked me up for a few days.

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I'm not debating if Salo has artistic merit or not, it clearly does and is a very important film within Italian cinema. But I absolutely would call it a preface to those contemporary movies you listed.

Just as a Serbian Film or Hostel satirizes the modern elite class and depicts extreme violence and depravity to achieve its subtextual meaning, Salo too pushes forth the use of extreme violence to excoriate Italy's social system of the 70s. The authority figures in “Salo” are fascist officials whose regimen of humiliation seems motivated less by sexual desire than by the exercise of total power and control. In Hostel, an organization called the Elite Hunting Club allows wealthy people to pay to mutilate tourists as a direct exercise in total power and control.

Salo takes place in an art-film universe of country houses, modern art, chamber music and fine furniture. It's exploitation canvased as sentimentality that Pasolini sells to the audience perfectly. Pasolini’s premise acknowledges the perverse erotic appeal of fascism, but his main concern was the rise of consumer capitalism and its ability to reduce human bodies to commodities. In Hostel, people are quite literally being sold as commodities to the elite. Although Salo does not fit into the direct lineage of torture porns contemporary gory aesthetics and generalized Hollywood production treatment of the 2000s, it absolutely is a preface to the genre itself.

Yes, I do think that Salo has more artistic merit than Human Centapide or any of the Saw movies. But my argument is that they both share similar subtexts that deserve acknowledgment. Sorry for the essay, I love talking about cinema. Take care yo.

Yes we're are agreeing to agree just on subjective views, I have found movies especially those from the 70's a precursor to what you were saying about the upperclass.  Yes both are inherit with treating humans as commodities and one is quite tastefully done versus seedy underbelly of toilet scum.

For me when I watch a movie I want to feel something but I do not want to my film to exploit my worst fears either with gratuitous violence or sheer fucked up relatable real stuff that happens in this world more recently, ie Serbian film that movie was a piece of shit and anyone involved in it or those who enjoyed or had no problem with it's content should seriously have their head examined after watching it.  Nothing is appealing about it in fact that movies seriously has left me turned off from modern extreme horror movies in general, hence this discussion.

I like a good spooky movie or a slasher even a comedy horror such as Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is a great movie. As I get older the formula for those extreme horror movies gets stale and maybe I'm afraid of my own mortality and I empathize when real tragedy happens so in essence those subjects that dumb movies take lightly I sometimes have an issue with it.

[theSketchLord]

Not technically a movie but the new Batman trailer looks fucking legit.
Recently watched Good Time, The Rover and High Life and Pattinson kills it an all three.

[WastedHippy]

Not technically a movie but the new Batman trailer looks fucking legit.
Recently watched Good Time, The Rover and High Life and Pattinson kills it an all three.

My buddy sent me that trailer yesterday and I gotta say looks pretty decent, I try to keep an open mind with these kinds of films so hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

[ihatejulio]

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

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Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

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Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

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Yeah as vile and depraved as Salo is... I wouldn't really consider it 'torture porn', compared to movies like Flowers of Flesh and Blood, August Underground or Serbian Film.  Salo does have some artistic merit (even Martin Scorcese is a fan!), although it's a movie I never ever, ever want to see again.  What's even crazier is the movie is TAMER than the book it's based on. 

I actually watched that movie on a fucking date with this goth/industrial/'boyd rice fan' type-of-girl, it really fucked me up for a few days.

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I'm not debating if Salo has artistic merit or not, it clearly does and is a very important film within Italian cinema. But I absolutely would call it a preface to those contemporary movies you listed.

Just as a Serbian Film or Hostel satirizes the modern elite class and depicts extreme violence and depravity to achieve its subtextual meaning, Salo too pushes forth the use of extreme violence to excoriate Italy's social system of the 70s. The authority figures in “Salo” are fascist officials whose regimen of humiliation seems motivated less by sexual desire than by the exercise of total power and control. In Hostel, an organization called the Elite Hunting Club allows wealthy people to pay to mutilate tourists as a direct exercise in total power and control.

Salo takes place in an art-film universe of country houses, modern art, chamber music and fine furniture. It's exploitation canvased as sentimentality that Pasolini sells to the audience perfectly. Pasolini’s premise acknowledges the perverse erotic appeal of fascism, but his main concern was the rise of consumer capitalism and its ability to reduce human bodies to commodities. In Hostel, people are quite literally being sold as commodities to the elite. Although Salo does not fit into the direct lineage of torture porns contemporary gory aesthetics and generalized Hollywood production treatment of the 2000s, it absolutely is a preface to the genre itself.

Yes, I do think that Salo has more artistic merit than Human Centapide or any of the Saw movies. But my argument is that they both share similar subtexts that deserve acknowledgment. Sorry for the essay, I love talking about cinema. Take care yo.

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Yes we're are agreeing to agree just on subjective views, I have found movies especially those from the 70's a precursor to what you were saying about the upperclass.  Yes both are inherit with treating humans as commodities and one is quite tastefully done versus seedy underbelly of toilet scum.

For me when I watch a movie I want to feel something but I do not want to my film to exploit my worst fears either with gratuitous violence or sheer fucked up relatable real stuff that happens in this world more recently, ie Serbian film that movie was a piece of shit and anyone involved in it or those who enjoyed or had no problem with it's content should seriously have their head examined after watching it.  Nothing is appealing about it in fact that movies seriously has left me turned off from modern extreme horror movies in general, hence this discussion.

I like a good spooky movie or a slasher even a comedy horror such as Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is a great movie. As I get older the formula for those extreme horror movies gets stale and maybe I'm afraid of my own mortality and I empathize when real tragedy happens so in essence those subjects that dumb movies take lightly I sometimes have an issue with it.

Read my point about exploitation disguised as high-art/sentimentality again. The film was never meant to be tasteful, but if it hides behind a layer of art-house archetypes then it can be disguised as such. Just because the film got a Criterion release doesn't make it any less a grotesque exploitation film. I swear if Cannibal Holocaust got a Criterion release then people would consider that high art and less pedestrian as well. There is absolutely nothing tasteful about Salo, Nazi's making children eat literal shit and slicing their eyes open is anything but tasteful. Does Salo have artistic merit though? Yes, but tasteful it is not.   

I agree with you about A Serbian Film, its shocksploitation done to the absolute highest degree. You aren't going to find many people who enjoy the movie just like you aren't going to find many people who "enjoy" Salo.

You say you empathize when real tragedy happens but fascism and Nazism was, and still is, a very real tragedy that happened and continues to unfold to this day. That to me is why I prefer Salo over the aforementioned torture porn movies that have been brought up. To me, over the top gore from corny horror productions is less of a real tragedy and more of a commentary about the state of humanity that borrows heavily from the body horror subgenre to get its point across. You say you don't want graphic over the top violence yet your profile pic is someone getting a shotgun blast to the face? (please change that btw lol). I'm not trying to come after you and pick you apart I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from when it comes to tasteful violence vs. where it crosses the line.

Good discussion, its an interesting topic for sure. Have a good day dude!   

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Italian horror film's have been my go to as of late.

Salo
El Topa
Holy Mountain
Maniac
Day of the Beast
Suspiria
Faust Italian movie not the Hollywood shit film.

I like fucked up movie's but I draw the line ___________ when it comes to torture horror film's, shit is garbage.

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Torture Porn eg..... Serbian Film, Hostel, Saw, Descent

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Torture porn?

You mean a movie where a group of fascist libertines round up young boys and girls and subject them to physical, mental, and sexual torture over the entire course of the movie? You mean a movie called Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom? Kinda like that?

Not sure if you are being intentionally thick or not. I really can't tell.

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Okay we're on the same page of understanding and no I don't enjoy the rape murder and torture it plays out, however  comparing this movie to a modern horror movie the violence is so fake compared to modern movies, I'd gladly pick this movie more that an Saw or Hostel or any other recent movie.

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Yeah as vile and depraved as Salo is... I wouldn't really consider it 'torture porn', compared to movies like Flowers of Flesh and Blood, August Underground or Serbian Film.  Salo does have some artistic merit (even Martin Scorcese is a fan!), although it's a movie I never ever, ever want to see again.  What's even crazier is the movie is TAMER than the book it's based on. 

I actually watched that movie on a fucking date with this goth/industrial/'boyd rice fan' type-of-girl, it really fucked me up for a few days.

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I'm not debating if Salo has artistic merit or not, it clearly does and is a very important film within Italian cinema. But I absolutely would call it a preface to those contemporary movies you listed.

Just as a Serbian Film or Hostel satirizes the modern elite class and depicts extreme violence and depravity to achieve its subtextual meaning, Salo too pushes forth the use of extreme violence to excoriate Italy's social system of the 70s. The authority figures in “Salo” are fascist officials whose regimen of humiliation seems motivated less by sexual desire than by the exercise of total power and control. In Hostel, an organization called the Elite Hunting Club allows wealthy people to pay to mutilate tourists as a direct exercise in total power and control.

Salo takes place in an art-film universe of country houses, modern art, chamber music and fine furniture. It's exploitation canvased as sentimentality that Pasolini sells to the audience perfectly. Pasolini’s premise acknowledges the perverse erotic appeal of fascism, but his main concern was the rise of consumer capitalism and its ability to reduce human bodies to commodities. In Hostel, people are quite literally being sold as commodities to the elite. Although Salo does not fit into the direct lineage of torture porns contemporary gory aesthetics and generalized Hollywood production treatment of the 2000s, it absolutely is a preface to the genre itself.

Yes, I do think that Salo has more artistic merit than Human Centapide or any of the Saw movies. But my argument is that they both share similar subtexts that deserve acknowledgment. Sorry for the essay, I love talking about cinema. Take care yo.

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Yes we're are agreeing to agree just on subjective views, I have found movies especially those from the 70's a precursor to what you were saying about the upperclass.  Yes both are inherit with treating humans as commodities and one is quite tastefully done versus seedy underbelly of toilet scum.

For me when I watch a movie I want to feel something but I do not want to my film to exploit my worst fears either with gratuitous violence or sheer fucked up relatable real stuff that happens in this world more recently, ie Serbian film that movie was a piece of shit and anyone involved in it or those who enjoyed or had no problem with it's content should seriously have their head examined after watching it.  Nothing is appealing about it in fact that movies seriously has left me turned off from modern extreme horror movies in general, hence this discussion.

I like a good spooky movie or a slasher even a comedy horror such as Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is a great movie. As I get older the formula for those extreme horror movies gets stale and maybe I'm afraid of my own mortality and I empathize when real tragedy happens so in essence those subjects that dumb movies take lightly I sometimes have an issue with it.

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Read my point about exploitation disguised as high-art/sentimentality again. The film was never meant to be tasteful, but if it hides behind a layer of art-house archetypes then it can be disguised as such. Just because the film got a Criterion release doesn't make it any less a grotesque exploitation film. I swear if Cannibal Holocaust got a Criterion release then people would consider that high art and less pedestrian as well. There is absolutely nothing tasteful about Salo, Nazi's making children eat literal shit and slicing their eyes open is anything but tasteful. Does Salo have artistic merit though? Yes, but tasteful it is not.   

I agree with you about A Serbian Film, its shocksploitation done to the absolute highest degree. You aren't going to find many people who enjoy the movie just like you aren't going to find many people who "enjoy" Salo.

You say you empathize when real tragedy happens but fascism and Nazism was, and still is, a very real tragedy that happened and continues to unfold to this day. That to me is why I prefer Salo over the aforementioned torture porn movies that have been brought up. To me, over the top gore from corny horror productions is less of a real tragedy and more of a commentary about the state of humanity that borrows heavily from the body horror subgenre to get its point across. You say you don't want graphic over the top violence yet your profile pic is someone getting a shotgun blast to the face? (please change that btw lol). I'm not trying to come after you and pick you apart I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from when it comes to tasteful violence vs. where it crosses the line.

Good discussion, its an interesting topic for sure. Have a good day dude!

okay I get your points on several things, and sadly no way the avatar I have is from that cheesy horror movie Maniac with Tom Savini that movie was creepy in all the right ways.

Now a very unsettling movie that leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth is Henry portrait of a serial killer. That was a fucked up one that I have nightmares to this day.

[Angela86]

The diamond necklace.
excellent movie specially for girls 

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Future primitive

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I know there's some pretty heavy Western nuts that post in this thread, so I'm wondering if anybody has any recommendations here.

I have been on a huge binge lately, but I'm kinda particular about the ones I like; I like dark luxury watch reviews, dreary, slow and violent westerns.  Not really shoot em up or good guy/bad guy ones.. ones that are just... grim and depressing?  Acid Westerns as they've been called.

Some of my favorites are:

The Hired Hand
McCabe and Miss Miller
Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and the Ugly
Cutthroats 9
The Great Silence
Unforgiven
The Shooting
Pat Garret and Billy The Kid
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

anybody have any obscure ones they really love?

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The Proposal. Australian western written by Nick Cave.

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the proposition i think its called

The Brave Cowboy,Kirk Douglas. from a novel by Edward Abbey

[theSketchLord]

Watched Hackers again today, film is all kinds of gold.
The bit where Fisher Stevens hangs off the side of a limo, skates up to Lee Miller and takes the disk is fucking hilarious.

[Sila]

Get off Netflix and the like and get a MUBI account.

Just watched Herzog's Family Romance on there. Love that man's filmography.