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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Shortys Hardware on September 26, 2023, 09:29:26 PM
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oh shit Durao. hell yeah, glad he jumped ship. just hoping he gets put onto a heavy hitter and not another shitter like Skate Mental. Hockey would be really cool now that i think about it.
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Staba failed Antonio so hopefully he’s treated better wherever he ends up next. Hopefully it’s a real brand and not just a homie brand like Hardbody.
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Chico will always go down as the goat 🐐
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Staba failed Antonio so hopefully he’s treated better wherever he ends up next. Hopefully it’s a real brand and not just a homie brand like Hardbody.
It's Hardbody
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Staba failed Antonio so hopefully he’s treated better wherever he ends up next. Hopefully it’s a real brand and not just a homie brand like Hardbody.
Ong? No cap? It’s hardbody frfr? (I’m serious is he actually going back to hardbody?)
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Why would they dump plunkett?
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Why would they dump plunkett?
he probably dumped them my guy
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Straight up miracle they are still even in business
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thank GOD tony is off. hardbody 2024
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Why would they dump plunkett?
Seems weird bc it seemed like he and Koston were the ones actually running the brand. Maybe he just retired as a pro. He’s practically a day one rider
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Updated with a post including Kellen James - cool addition. Remember his es shoe that never was?
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Surprised about Dan. Wonder where he's going
thought he was involved with tired, maybe he's doing that instead
didn't realize he was still pro tbh, thought he was team manager
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Updated with a post including Kellen James - cool addition. Remember his es shoe that never was?
Vividly bc it was called the Anfield, but I never understood why bc he’s never shown to care about Liverpool FC at all
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Brad Staba is trash.
There are many people who deserve a lot from skateboarding for their contributions and he is not one of them.
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Staba failed Antonio so hopefully he’s treated better wherever he ends up next. Hopefully it’s a real brand and not just a homie brand like Hardbody.
It's Hardbody
That sucks
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Why would they dump plunkett?
Productive bloke that he is
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Why would they dump plunkett?
They dumped him because his multiple wall ride kickflip attempts on the barrier, atop the wedge bank at Borrics, interfered with (celebrity teammate) Lord Eric Konston’s pre scripted game of skate in such a way as to cause him grievous bodily injury in the form of a cramp in his calf muscle, thereby forcing him to forfeit his artificially propped up claim to the BATB title.
THAT is why Skirt Mantle dumped Daniel Plunkett.
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i think plunkett is working for them and is kind of the TM
whatever is happening with the brand i dont really care but i hope for some fernando bramsmark footage
antonio to limosine would make sense to me
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I feel Koston is hoping to get on Primitive
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How did Staba even manipulate them to the point of them riding for his shitty brand?
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Antonio on limo or frog would be amazing
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i hope tony goes somewhere other than hardbody where he is marketed more and able to get more exposure.
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i hope tony goes somewhere other than hardbody where he is marketed more and able to get more exposure.
is it a board compagnie ? or just a clothing brand ? I don't know what they do, I ve just seen the part they put with Antonio in it
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compagnie
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could be a native French speaker, it wouldn’t be the first around here
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could be a native French speaker, it wouldn’t be the first around here
Ah that makes more sense. It’s way too early for me to immaturely comment on what I assumed was a typo
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Giorgio just marked himself off the list. Wonder what’s going on over at Skate Mental, him and Brad seemed close
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could be a native French speaker, it wouldn’t be the first around here
I plead guilty
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antonio to limo would be cool, going from skate mental to hardbody is a lateral move. hardbody is such a shitty weird name for a company that isn’t a joke brand.
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Skate mental is insane, l don't know how they survive for so long. They somehow fall ass backward into great riders, only for them too leave shortly after. It's like a transitional homie brand. I only ever remember them being popular when they first started
Looking for to the inevitable kellen Skate mental "SM" parody graphic
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Seems like Giorgi is off skate mental too. Definitely for the best that durao is off the team, really looking forward to seeing where he goes next. I loved his clips in Johnny's Vid
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I feel like this happens every few years with SM. He'll build up a solid team, not do anything with them and a few people turn around and leave.
Durao hasn't been on very long, maybe only a 1 year contract. I can see Plunkett dropping back to be on the business side.
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(https://i.ibb.co/2FBr7VJ/armani-in-your-face.png)
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Moar bigspin tail slides from Christian Milleroooff thank god praise jesus
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Which of these do you think should win the "best team/worst company" lifetime achievement award? SM was going hard there for a long ass time, but they had Nike money propping them up.
- Plan B 2.0
- Skate Mental
- A-Team
- Flip (yeah i said it)
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(https://i.ibb.co/2FBr7VJ/armani-in-your-face.png)
Saw that, then he posted the same list on his page but with his name extremely crossed out
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Staba starving team riders always comes to mind. Tim Zom really got shafted
https://www.freeskatemag.com/2020/01/17/tim-zom-is-not-a-zombie/
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Why is Skate Mental still around?
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Brad Staba is trash.
There are many people who deserve a lot from skateboarding for their contributions and he is not one of them.
This is hilarious.
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Which of these do you think should win the "best team/worst company" lifetime achievement award? SM was going hard there for a long ass time, but they had Nike money propping them up.
- Plan B 2.0
- Skate Mental
- A-Team
- Flip (yeah i said it)
from this list, I'd say David gonzales SOTY era flip w/ louie, currren, majerus. Would be my vote for best/worst. emoji graphic era flip
I'd also add world peace era element to the list. Madars, evan, westgate, Silva, Nyjah, Nassim
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Updated with a post including Kellen James - cool addition. Remember his es shoe that never was?
San Diego OG. Been killing the curbs. Interesting addition.
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Staba took it down.
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And he put up a new one with Giorgio’s name crossed out
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Saw that, then he posted the same list on his page but with his name extremely crossed out
How long has he been selling 610r61? Hes got a company based just around him? Is he doing the graphics? Anyone got some insight to this?
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Staba starving team riders always comes to mind. Tim Zom really got shafted
https://www.freeskatemag.com/2020/01/17/tim-zom-is-not-a-zombie/
I can honestly say that I haven't given a shit about Staba since the early 00's, but after reading that Tim Zom interview, Staba can fuck right off.
Seriously, who denies someone a meal like that? Even if I didn't have the funds to buy someone their own meal, I would gladly share some of my food with them because that's just the humane thing to do. I get that you can't always pull cash out of some credit cards, but Staba could have at least bought him a meal with said credit card. Add the fact that Staba pulled this shit on Tim two days in a row. Unbelievable
I'm probably getting more worked up over this than I should, but I just can't comprehend or relate with this type of behavior.
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never gave a fuck about this brand.
art direction is "cool" to some im guessing, but this whole brand missed me
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can i uhhhhhhhhhhh get a screenshot
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In the recent Thrasher with Miles on the cover in the news section it mention Staba being creative director for the Oakley reboot. Strange choice, but surprised he didn't shutter Skate Mental and chase the corporate bag.
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can i uhhhhhhhhhhh get a screenshot
(https://i.ibb.co/wLZf6tt/Screenshot-20230927-101633.png) (https://ibb.co/dcsRKZZ)
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Skate mental is insane mental
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Lol KB’s treason comment
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In the recent Thrasher with Miles on the cover in the news section it mention Staba being creative director for the Oakley reboot. Strange choice, but surprised he didn't shutter Skate Mental and chase the corporate bag.
What a fucking move if true. Staba doesn't have a creative bone in his body. And department lunches will be rough.
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wonder what happened with giorgi, as hard as it sounds but i think for a lot of the guys on the team list the last resort is skate mental, nowhere to go after that
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those "The Suburbs" hats are the only thing Skate Mental did that I even remember.
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And he put up a new one with Giorgio’s name crossed out
and added Kellen James because he forgot to put him in the first one lol
Pretty bad look when you're so focused on the dudes who are leaving your company you forget about the ones that aren't
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Imagine not knowing who is on your team and you are the boss...917 ?
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Uzi does it
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Imagine not knowing who is on your team and you are the boss...917 ?
Glad to see your sig in this thread
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He's on Limosine.
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He's on Limosine.
aint u the mf who called the Glick on sci fi news too. i believe you my fellow Lil B avatar
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Uzi does it
One of SMs most enduring graphics ripped off from Israeli tourist kiosks. I remember seeing Jerry wear a shirt that said this in the prime days of epiclylaterd.com when NY skating revolves around Max Fish
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One of SMs most enduring graphics ripped off from Israeli tourist kiosks. I remember seeing Jerry wear a shirt that said this in the prime days of epiclylaterd.com when NY skating revolves around Max Fish
you good man?
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Which of these do you think should win the "best team/worst company" lifetime achievement award? SM was going hard there for a long ass time, but they had Nike money propping them up.
- Plan B 2.0
- Skate Mental
- A-Team
- Flip (yeah i said it)
Plan B 2.0
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aint u the mf who called the Glick on sci fi news too. i believe you my fellow Lil B avatar
Trust. They always told him he had a spot on limosine if he ever left skate mental.
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how the hell do they have Jack Curtain
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One of SMs most enduring graphics ripped off from Israeli tourist kiosks. I remember seeing Jerry wear a shirt that said this in the prime days of epiclylaterd.com when NY skating revolves around Max Fish
The trick is, they weren’t doing much skateboarding
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does wieger even still skate
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(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_18335.jpg)
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(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_18335.jpg)
God bless the Tampa product archives, may your servers never run out of bandwidth
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
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Which of these do you think should win the "best team/worst company" lifetime achievement award? SM was going hard there for a long ass time, but they had Nike money propping them up.
- Plan B 2.0
- Skate Mental
- A-Team
- Flip (yeah i said it)
Plan B 2.0
Stereo 2.0
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
There was a skate mental video?
Bread Starver.
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
This one was big in my circles but that maybe just us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sjuey25ug
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
There was a skate mental video?
Bread Starver.
i think there was one called am chowder or some corny shit
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my fondest memories of skate mental:
the alien vs predator board
Shane o'neill skating to Stone Roses
That John Motta part
they actually made a 6 pack of wheels in the style of a corona 6-pack
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my fondest memories of skate mental:
the alien vs predator board
Shane o'neill skating to Stone Roses
That John Motta part
they actually made a 6 pack of wheels in the style of a corona 6-pack
I still have my Carroll’s Chest hairs shirt.
The R. Kelly Calvin peeing shirt was hilarious.
Hummer humping Prius was the most underrated board graphic.
Am Chowder was one big ad for Blazers and Janoskis.
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Combine these three videos as one and you've got a solid 15 min video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xNvGyIlaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIX0Xr3LtVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWugrp-vHM
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Combine these three videos as one and you've got a solid 15 min video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xNvGyIlaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIX0Xr3LtVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWugrp-vHM
Decent. Sure. But nothing that anyone is going truly give a shit about 10 years from now.
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Dan broke that Rip n Dip ice sculpture and the whole world smiled
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What was the point of this IG post? To acknowledge they’re blowing it? It’s not like it’s hot news, everyone’s known it for ages. Like, I understand the humour, but people are laughing at you, not with you. It’s not like the consumer will be like ‘hahahaha look how many riders they’re losing!!! AND they’re loving it!!! Time to buy a Skate Mental board’
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i can see dan plunkett on hockey. why not?
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What was the point of this IG post? To acknowledge they’re blowing it? It’s not like it’s hot news, everyone’s known it for ages. Like, I understand the humour, but people are laughing at you, not with you. It’s not like the consumer will be like ‘hahahaha look how many riders they’re losing!!! AND they’re loving it!!! Time to buy a Skate Mental board’
Plus, enjoi kinda already did that joke cycling through all their ex-riders (which Staba was one)
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What was the point of this IG post? To acknowledge they’re blowing it? It’s not like it’s hot news, everyone’s known it for ages. Like, I understand the humour, but people are laughing at you, not with you. It’s not like the consumer will be like ‘hahahaha look how many riders they’re losing!!! AND they’re loving it!!! Time to buy a Skate Mental board’
Plus, enjoi kinda already did that joke cycling through all their ex-riders (which Staba was one)
The difference is, Enjoi had the tongue-in-cheek brand identity, underdog reputation and consistent media output to back it up. Skate Mental lacks all of the above.
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sjuey25ug
The Beach House song is so good. Love this part also.
Edit: 2,167,008 views holy shit
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What was the point of this IG post? To acknowledge they’re blowing it? It’s not like it’s hot news, everyone’s known it for ages. Like, I understand the humour, but people are laughing at you, not with you. It’s not like the consumer will be like ‘hahahaha look how many riders they’re losing!!! AND they’re loving it!!! Time to buy a Skate Mental board’
Plus, enjoi kinda already did that joke cycling through all their ex-riders (which Staba was one)
The difference is, Enjoi had the tongue-in-cheek brand identity, underdog reputation and consistent media output to back it up. Skate Mental lacks all of the above.
The other difference is, Enjoi actually sold boards.
To my knowledge I’ve only ever seen 1, maybe 2, Skate Mental boards in in the wild.
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If I didn't work at a computer and read Slap, there is a 0.000% chance I would know what "Skate Mental" is. Prior to posting here, I thought maybe it was some kinda skate blog from the golden era of blogging.
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antonio durao on limosine is the kind of shit that i like to hear, tybg
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skate mental, like Limosine:
(https://i.ibb.co/QpCkctT/wack-his-hair-his-gear-wack.gif) (https://ibb.co/Xj3D4MK)
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If I didn't work at a computer and read Slap, there is a 0.000% chance I would know what "Skate Mental" is. Prior to posting here, I thought maybe it was some kinda skate blog from the golden era of blogging.
I knew they existed because of shane. As soon as he left, there was no reason to care. Occasionally observe and laugh, but not care
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EwuOVhksVU&t=20s
Great part and song.
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Skate Mental had Matt Beach. That made them worth it back in ‘09.
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The whole esthetic is “forgettable-memes-that-high school-football-players-send-each-other.” I can’t remember one skate mental video that mattered.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made bank off those t-shirts and it kept the brand afloat all those years without needing to sell any boards. It's like how Barstool Sports makes millions off of shirts and hats that say "Positive vibes only" that they sell to people that don't care about sports.
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antonio durao on limosine is the kind of shit that i like to hear, tybg
AD is way too cool for limo
If I didn't work at a computer and read Slap, there is a 0.000% chance I would know what "Skate Mental" is. Prior to posting here, I thought maybe it was some kinda skate blog from the golden era of blogging.
Were you skating when they started? AvP was skate meme of the year dawg
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Saw that, then he posted the same list on his page but with his name extremely crossed out
hahaha so good. skate mental is fried
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxsVvFgIilB/?hl=en
time to dig up the "chico punching staba" gif
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As long as/if Jack is getting paid then long live the mental
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when will they announce blake carpenter on
Doubtful that's where he's going. Unless you got exclusive insider knowledge like Euro TM ???
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I notice he didn’t acknowledge Adrian Del Campos departure either, even after the fix. Wonder if there’s real beef there. I found Staba entertaining for awhile, the jokes with the graphics etc aren’t really my taste but his persona in interviews and stories were pretty funny. Also enjoyed the fakie hard hashtag posts.
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Staba on money laundering confirmed.
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God bless the Tampa product archives, may your servers never run out of bandwidth
They're the best when looking up old shoe models.
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I notice he didn’t acknowledge Adrian Del Campos departure either, even after the fix. Wonder if there’s real beef there. I found Staba entertaining for awhile, the jokes with the graphics etc aren’t really my taste but his persona in interviews and stories were pretty funny. Also enjoyed the fakie hard hashtag posts.
Staba can do some things right, but largely does everything else wrong, effectively deserving the Chico punch more and more every day
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I notice he didn’t acknowledge Adrian Del Campos departure either, even after the fix. Wonder if there’s real beef there. I found Staba entertaining for awhile, the jokes with the graphics etc aren’t really my taste but his persona in interviews and stories were pretty funny. Also enjoyed the fakie hard hashtag posts.
Staba can do some things right, but largely does everything else wrong, effectively deserving the Chico punch more and more every day
I think it’s because Del Campo has been gone for a bit now and all these departures happened relatively recently
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Is Staba’s pizza any good?
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Is Staba’s pizza any good?
i heard it was good. i saw the yelp and ig and its still around but idk if staba has anything to do with it. maybe he sold it?
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Koston of Stove.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyUCFe3yUf7/
Fucking bizarre that Skate Mental put together a bangin team for 7 months but not surprised it didn't last. One of the worst companies of all time and Brad Staba is one of the worst industry dudes of all time.
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I sort of knew Skate Mental was a temporary spot for Koston. Just didn’t seem right.
I would love if he just got back on Girl. It is their anniversary this weekend.
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I sort of knew Skate Mental was a temporary spot for Koston. Just didn’t seem right.
I would love if he just got back on Girl. It is their anniversary this weekend.
Yes, Girl would be good. Primitive would be great as well bc of his connection with P Rod
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primitive, girl or fa legacy pro like gino?
i doubt he jumps ship for jacuzzi and bet he’s got a bigger brand in mind.
the real question here is durao. limo or hockey hopefully. hardbody is too cryptic.
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So Kostons been on and off SM twice now right?
Dude should get on girl and just ride that nostalgia wave into the sunset.
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Curous where Koston lands. I know legacy pros frustrate some people, but Koston is one of those guys who should have his name on a board. He was arguably the top pro for like a decade (Falling Down part until Yeah Right). Granted, I doubt he's relied much on board royalties since like 2008 or even earlier.
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FA portrait board incoming.
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I was skating Berkeley Park a few years ago and Staba and Dan Plunkett pulled up. Staba didn't have a board and just lurked around the bowl staring at people. Dan was ripping and super nice. I was skating the bowl and came up onto the deck, looked up and noticed Staba staring at me with a facial expression that read as utter disgust like smelling an egg fart. Continued staring at me until I skated away, very odd and still crosses my mind sometimes
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On the verge of a pretty dope team video to no team at all. Must be some sort of record. Koston will be fine. Praying for Jack.
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Do we think Koston still has a spot at WKND if he really wanted to?
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Maybe Koston acts with some dignity and doesn't continue to be a pro skater well into middle age. If your name isn't on a (deeply discounted) deck, do you even exist?
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I was skating Berkeley Park a few years ago and Staba and Dan Plunkett pulled up. Staba didn't have a board and just lurked around the bowl staring at people. Dan was ripping and super nice. I was skating the bowl and came up onto the deck, looked up and noticed Staba staring at me with a facial expression that read as utter disgust like smelling an egg fart. Continued staring at me until I skated away, very odd and still crosses my mind sometimes
Should have asked him what he was looking at and if he wanted to get Chico'd again.
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please go back to Girl
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April is all that makes sense.
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What about Jack
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What was the point of this IG post? To acknowledge they’re blowing it? It’s not like it’s hot news, everyone’s known it for ages. Like, I understand the humour, but people are laughing at you, not with you. It’s not like the consumer will be like ‘hahahaha look how many riders they’re losing!!! AND they’re loving it!!! Time to buy a Skate Mental board’
Plus, enjoi kinda already did that joke cycling through all their ex-riders (which Staba was one)
The difference is, Enjoi had the tongue-in-cheek brand identity, underdog reputation and consistent media output to back it up. Skate Mental lacks all of the above.
The other difference is, Enjoi actually sold boards.
To my knowledge I’ve only ever seen 1, maybe 2, Skate Mental boards in in the wild.
I only know what skate mental is because it was in skate 3
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
How was he hemorrhaging money? He and plunkett were running it when it peaked team-wise…they’re both gone now along with all the riders they brought
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
How was he hemorrhaging money? He and plunkett were running it when it peaked team-wise…they’re both gone now along with all the riders they brought
Koston was putting up the money for the product and the warehouse
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
How was he hemorrhaging money? He and plunkett were running it when it peaked team-wise…they’re both gone now along with all the riders they brought
Koston was putting up the money for the product and the warehouse
Oh oh oh I completely misread that post. I thought it was Koston was causing the hemorrhage. My bad!
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Is Staba’s pizza any good?
Partner teaches down the street from it and we eat there for lunch a couple times a week, it’s actually pretty good but besides Teddy, most of the workers are unbelievably fried and will forget you even ordered at times. Still nice though
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I can see Koston on Primitive, hopefully p-rod makes him film a full part.
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Berrics Skateboards coming soon...
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Koston on girl is iconic. It would be silly for him and girl to not get back together. There is also a Sean Sheffey board coming out too.
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
If Koston is trying to operate a board brand which does anything other than function as a tax write off, then he needs better financial advisers.
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
A little wild to think of telling Fully Flared era Koston and Mariano that in 15 years their board sponsor will not be Crailtap but instead a quiet Austrailian kid who is am on Fourstar
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Is Staba’s pizza any good?
West coast don’t what Pizza is
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
Not to split hairs but at that time I think Shane might have still been flow.
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Girl seems cheap. Like when he went to Nike. Primitive feels strange like he’d be the odd man out on that roster. Same with April. Would love to see him on Krooked.
Where tf is that April Guy part btw?
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Who fumbled the bag harder: Numbers Edition or Skate Mental?
Both had stacked squads for a minute & both appear to have squandered the opportunity to exploit that asset.
Discuss.
Additionally, is this the end for Staba’s little hobby project? If so, will Big Time cease to exist, leaving Tired adrift & rudderless in a rising sea of uncertainty?
Honestly… now that I think about it, I don’t really give a shirt. I reckon I just like having something to speculate over.
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Who gives a fuck about koston? What the hell is Jack Curtin doing? Come on now. some one hook him up, he’s too damn good.
I’m hoping he will jump ship to alltimers or something, him and zered should be on the same team
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
How was he hemorrhaging money? He and plunkett were running it when it peaked team-wise…they’re both gone now along with all the riders they brought
Koston was putting up the money for the product and the warehouse
That sounds absurd. Why was he doing that?
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Koston was the one haemorrhaging $$$$ for this project, makes sense to pull the plug on it after Jake and Curren left
How was he hemorrhaging money? He and plunkett were running it when it peaked team-wise…they’re both gone now along with all the riders they brought
Koston was putting up the money for the product and the warehouse
That sounds absurd. Why was he doing that?
Bc Koston knows how to put a good team
Together on top of the decks, but has no luck with what goes on the bottom of the them
(I mean graphics, if that wasn’t too labored)
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It’s not an unrealistic scenario but was Koston’s financial backing mentioned anywhere?
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Whoever said Jack Curtin should be on Alltimers is onto something.
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
Beats me...........but how do you think they went from being out of business/run out of the back of Stabas pizza shop to having a warehouse in DTLA with a full range of product basically overnight?
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Whoever said Jack Curtin should be on Alltimers is onto something.
If Aesthetics is coming back, Jack should be the headliner
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I heard Berra put in a good word for Koston at Alien
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I would love to see a new brand out of Girl that’s run by Koston and McCrank. Those two working together has been magical in past projects like Menikmati and Yeah Right.
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Get It Strait Ride Koston.
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
no i agree that he was a sick addition, i am just saying that most of us found it to be a weird fit initially just because he is such a different type of skateboarder than the rest of the team & the demographic of who the brand applies to.
Girl seems cheap. Like when he went to Nike. Primitive feels strange like he’d be the odd man out on that roster. Same with April. Would love to see him on Krooked.
Where tf is that April Guy part btw?
how does girl seem cheap? the cheap part about going to nike was leaving lakai (crail) & all of his friends after a short stint there from leaving es’ when he was one of the main parts of that brand. girl makes sense and would be nostalgic/cool imo.
you guys are nuts if you don’t think p-rod would jump at the opportunity to sponsor koston, one of his all-time favorites. shane too, probably… but definitely paul
nobody’s thinks p-rod wouldn’t want to do that, it’s more on wondering if koston would. i’m sure that he would be stoked on the check & he obviously is cool with dudes on the brand it just doesn’t seem to fit. if bastien wasn’t active enough for the legacy type roll then why would koston be? again i just don’t think the brand is looking for “legacy riders”.
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Whoever said Jack Curtin should be on Alltimers is onto something.
If Aesthetics is coming back, Jack should be the headliner
this is a great idea.
I would love to see a new brand out of Girl that’s run by Koston and McCrank. Those two working together has been magical in past projects like Menikmati and Yeah Right.
this is a great idea as well. if they moved breanna onto this brand, grabbed dustin henry from alltimers & durao that would be great. also just throw jack & plunkett on and you have the start to a great team/brand.
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Koston and Yuto.
Money for the project built into the Nike contracts, but fully controlled by those two.
Distributed by the Crail.
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Koston wouldn’t go to primitive because they put out videos that he’d be obligated to film/try for. That said after going back to his chronicles 3 part, it’s not nearly what I remembered it being.
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just rewatched the Chronicles 3 part, the back lip to wall ride is so insane
https://youtu.be/U3orNKKoLbo?si=3e7ZCRnf70C2nr5s
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
Not to split hairs but at that time I think Shane might have still been flow.
Fully flared era he was maybe still known as nugget and on Quiksilver Australia
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girl 30 year anniversary, 20 years of yeah right, seemed like he’s on good terms with rick & mike after that whole anniversary get together. it makes the most sense to me. fa would be weird, primitive would be too. primitive doesn’t seem like the kind of company to have “legacy” pros on, they’re more about having a clean cut, polished, “elite” current top tier pro team, even franky villani getting on seemed off. april could work but wouldn’t really be exciting at all. if not girl then put him on grimple stix, at least until he gets fully on something kind of like how they did with evan smith.
The frank villani scoop by primitive was extremely smart. Franky puts the brand in front of so many other people that wouldn't even consider looking at a primitive deck.
Girl would be awesome. Id say he'd pick april over primitive though if it came down to those two.
Not to split hairs but at that time I think Shane might have still been flow.
that era was tight when his only real coverage was in SLAM
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Plot twist...koston is goin to Thank You or Sci Fi
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I thought Skate Mental was a perfect fit for Kookston tbh.
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I hope this thread turns into another "Nike is going to start making skateboard decks" conspiracy thread.
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just rewatched the Chronicles 3 part, the back lip to wall ride is so insane
https://youtu.be/U3orNKKoLbo?si=3e7ZCRnf70C2nr5s
damn, kinda wanna see more bump to can koston
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Plot twist...koston is goin to Thank You or Sci Fi
Damn, Sci-Fi actually makes a lot of sense. Would love to see that.
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Plot twist...koston is goin to Thank You or Sci Fi
I don’t see jerry being into that. Koston has run his course imo. He’s a kook now
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maybe he acts like a normal 50 year old that's made a bunch of money......retires....
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Would love to see Koston do his own thing with Blake carpenter.
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Roger Bagley just posted on his story a “Koston is Back” deck at the Girl party. Not sure if it’s a new or old graphic. Anyone have more insight? Sorry, still don’t know how to post screenshots.
https://instagram.com/stories/the_breadcrumb_trail/3213827310356173927?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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"Koston is Back! (even though he didn't really go anywhere)" is a little backhanded if he really is back.
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
even tho Koston kooked me and called me a bundle of sticks I’d buy a board
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Plot twist...koston is goin to Thank You or Sci Fi
does it?
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
Konston Kooked Me sounds like the name of the next “hit track” from Sonic the Hedgehog Cult Shøtta.
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Plot twist...koston is goin to Thank You or Sci Fi
does it?
are jerry and koston close? i don’t really see jerry turning sci fi into a legacy brand.
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
The biggest sportswear brand in the world go funding one of the shittest board brands out there? 😂 for the record, it’s not or ever has been true. Although Nike SB sports marketing are behind most sponsor moves for their team, mostly to try and boost the profiles of their skateboarders, especially in places like Australia and Europe there’s no interest in doing hardware, the heads behind SB are generally skateboarders and know way better than that.
Koston should always have a pro board in the marketplace! His impact on skateboarding isn’t ever going to be replicated, and if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
Yes definitely. The continued hanging on diminishes previous accomplishments
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
Yes definitely. The continued hanging on diminishes previous accomplishments
Solid! I disagree to some degree, but it is right that generationally there should be space given for the future of skateboarding. But that said I do think there are gatekeepers and Koston for sure is one of them! And there’s certainly more in between that are holding on that should gracefully bow down!
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I’ve already stated this extremely unpopular opinion, but I do think it’s pretty wack when dudes who have no interest in pushing themselves or skating professionally, continue to give themselves or accept pro boards, ie: like half the Crail roster.
Shit, at least Gonz is still charging and putting his body on the line. And I know the argument is that legendary pros who greatly influenced skating deserve it, the same way Jordan still sells jerseys.. but there’s a big difference between the influence and contributions of Michael fucking Jordan, and most of these dudes in their 40s who were the shit for a 5-10 year span in the 90s.
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
Yes definitely. The continued hanging on diminishes previous accomplishments
Koston deserves to hang on for as long as he wants. What’s the difference between his goofing around on a board and Gonz’s? Koston was the top of the game for like 25 years when others spent plenty of time taking it easy. He’s entitled to not have to be innovating at 45+
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
Yes definitely. The continued hanging on diminishes previous accomplishments
Koston deserves to hang on for as long as he wants. What’s the difference between his goofing around on a board and Gonz’s? Koston was the top of the game for like 25 years when others spent plenty of time taking it easy. He’s entitled to not have to be innovating at 45+
The crazy thing is he’s still doing some standout tricks when you do see a clip these days. He’s out here doing switch wallie 5050s on little hubbas and still occasionally skating stairs switch at 48 . That seems pretty deserving of a board to me .
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I was talking about Koston Eaton
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I’ve already stated this extremely unpopular opinion, but I do think it’s pretty wack when dudes who have no interest in pushing themselves or skating professionally, continue to give themselves or accept pro boards, ie: like half the Crail roster.
Shit, at least Gonz is still charging and putting his body on the line. And I know the argument is that legendary pros who greatly influenced skating deserve it, the same way Jordan still sells jerseys.. but there’s a big difference between the influence and contributions of Michael fucking Jordan, and most of these dudes in their 40s who were the shit for a 5-10 year span in the 90s.
i'm not being sarcastic this time, but, is he? where? every clip i've seen in the last few years is him dicking around in the streets of NYC (which, for what it's worth, is exactly what i think he should be doing.)
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
I saw Cliver in the first slide. Koston of SM, on SL.
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
I saw Cliver in the first slide. Koston of SM, on SL.
This was the most important thing I saw in the pics
http://www.instagram.com/p/Cyb3tNhvbo_/? (http://www.instagram.com/p/Cyb3tNhvbo_/?)
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
if you deem this as wrong then are you gonna knit pick at every other skateboarder over the age of 44 who shifted the needle that still has a place on a board brand? Arto? Geoff? Penny? Lance? Gonz? I hope Koston lands somewhere worthy of him.
Yes definitely. The continued hanging on diminishes previous accomplishments
I never said there was one
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If your name sells skateboards, it should be on one.
There is no argument for not selling Howard, Carroll, Koston, Mariano boards. They are legends and most likely sell as well or better as the current pros.
There are no ‘roster slots.’ This isn’t football. If Crail wants to sell Jeron, Mike Mo, Crob, and Justin Eldridge boards who cares? Who knows what they are actually getting paid. They aren’t preventing anyone, that deserves it, from getting on.
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If your name sells skateboards, it should be on one.
There is no argument for not selling Howard, Carroll, Koston, Mariano boards. They are legends and most likely sell as well or better as the current pros.
There are no ‘roster slots.’ This isn’t football. If Crail wants to sell Jeron, Mike Mo, Crob, and Justin Eldridge boards who cares? Who knows what they are actually getting paid. They aren’t preventing anyone, that deserves it, from getting on.
Plus no one has any idea if they’re getting a check AND royalties or just royalties
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Why would Koston start funding his friends joke board company with its best days behind it? I always assumed Nike was putting money towards it like when they told Trevor Colden to leave Mystery for SM. Hell Staba was on Savier so he knows a thing or 2 about Nike shadow companies
Lol why would Nike give any info to Brad Staba of all people about how they operate their business. I highly doubt he has connections to anyone at Nike other than the skate department.
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If your name sells skateboards, it should be on one.
There is no argument for not selling Howard, Carroll, Koston, Mariano boards. They are legends and most likely sell as well or better as the current pros.
You really think the majority of Crail board buyers are buying those decks because they’re loyal fans of those guys? I think it’s more likely the average Crail buyer just likes the graphics and content being put out by their younger, active riders. I could be wrong though and would be very curious to see that data if it existed.
There are no ‘roster slots.’ This isn’t football. If Crail wants to sell Jeron, Mike Mo, Crob, and Justin Eldridge boards who cares? Who knows what they are actually getting paid. They aren’t preventing anyone, that deserves it, from getting on.
The endless list of deserving skaters they’ve failed to promote says otherwise. Sure, Rick and Mike probably never promised these guys anything.. but they prob did instill some false hope. At the end of the day it’s their company and they can do what they want. But I have every right to slam them for keeping Brophy boards in the lineup while letting guys like Carlos and Antonio linger on flow.
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Crail flow guys aren’t under a contract. If they can get a better deal somewhere else, they should take it. And some have. I don’t think it’s because a legacy pro had to retire first. Just because a dude gets on somewhere else doesn’t mean that Crail ‘blew’ it.
Also, all of the other board brands do the exact same thing as Crail with flow guys. It’s well documented.
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If your name sells skateboards, it should be on one.
There is no argument for not selling Howard, Carroll, Koston, Mariano boards. They are legends and most likely sell as well or better as the current pros.
You really think the majority of Crail board buyers are buying those decks because they’re loyal fans of those guys? I think it’s more likely the average Crail buyer just likes the graphics and content being put out by their younger, active riders. I could be wrong though and would be very curious to see that data if it existed.
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There are no ‘roster slots.’ This isn’t football. If Crail wants to sell Jeron, Mike Mo, Crob, and Justin Eldridge boards who cares? Who knows what they are actually getting paid. They aren’t preventing anyone, that deserves it, from getting on.
The endless list of deserving skaters they’ve failed to promote says otherwise. Sure, Rick and Mike probably never promised these guys anything.. but they prob did instill some false hope. At the end of the day it’s their company and they can do what they want. But I have every right to slam them for keeping Brophy boards in the lineup while letting guys like Carlos and Antonio linger on flow.
I can’t speak the average Crail fan, but the last few boards I’ve bought from them have been Howard, McCrank, Carroll, and Kennedy. It’s probably my age (turned 40 this year) but I like still being able to skate something like a Howard board. Just cuz the band doesn’t play anymore doesn’t mean you can’t wear their shirt.
As a side note, I actually think they have great boards.
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If your name sells skateboards, it should be on one.
There is no argument for not selling Howard, Carroll, Koston, Mariano boards. They are legends and most likely sell as well or better as the current pros.
You really think the majority of Crail board buyers are buying those decks because they’re loyal fans of those guys? I think it’s more likely the average Crail buyer just likes the graphics and content being put out by their younger, active riders. I could be wrong though and would be very curious to see that data if it existed.
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There are no ‘roster slots.’ This isn’t football. If Crail wants to sell Jeron, Mike Mo, Crob, and Justin Eldridge boards who cares? Who knows what they are actually getting paid. They aren’t preventing anyone, that deserves it, from getting on.
The endless list of deserving skaters they’ve failed to promote says otherwise. Sure, Rick and Mike probably never promised these guys anything.. but they prob did instill some false hope. At the end of the day it’s their company and they can do what they want. But I have every right to slam them for keeping Brophy boards in the lineup while letting guys like Carlos and Antonio linger on flow.
I can’t speak the average Crail fan, but the last few boards I’ve bought from them have been Howard, McCrank, Carroll, and Kennedy. It’s probably my age (turned 40 this year) but I like still being able to skate something like a Howard board. Just cuz the band doesn’t play anymore doesn’t mean you can’t wear their shirt.
As a side note, I actually think they have great boards.
Same. Bought a girl board because it was a Howard mouse graphic. Wood is great IMO.
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The argument about “putting your body on the line” is so damn tired. There are literally thousands of talented no name kids who can do every trick on demand. It doesn’t warrant endorsements or even for any of us to care. Gen x and millennials are very much driven by products and nostalgia. Skateboarding or the industry of it is an older activity. Of course we still want a Koston Girl board. It’s about what he did, and if he still skates some that’s great but I don’t need him or anyone else to prove to me they still got it. I just wanna feel some type of way about a clip of him and remember.
It’s a toy, not Major League Baseball.
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I never said skateboarding was a sport and whoever can do the hardest tricks at the moment should be rewarded. I understand there’s a sentimental aspect to it. I’m 37 so I’m a millennial myself.. but personally, I’d rather see someone who’s killing it now get the contract deals and royalties over someone who’s made their cash, owns companies, has other income streams, etc.
I think the up and comers these days are getting shafted by market over-saturation and short attention spans. If someone like Durao came up in the early 2000’s doing the insane shit he’s doing, he would’ve been a household name and also gotten the privilege of being a “legacy pro”. But I feel like the days of legacy pros are gone. GT and Ishod deserve to be in that category, but will they be? Will they have boards out long after they slow down like the Crail camp dudes? Time will tell but I’m not convinced.
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I never said skateboarding was a sport and whoever can do the hardest tricks at the moment should be rewarded. I understand there’s a sentimental aspect to it. I’m 37 so I’m a millennial myself.. but personally, I’d rather see someone who’s killing it now get the contract deals and royalties over someone who’s made their cash, owns companies, has other income streams, etc.
I think the up and comers these days are getting shafted by market over-saturation and short attention spans. If someone like Durao came up in the early 2000’s doing the insane shit he’s doing, he would’ve been a household name and also gotten the privilege of being a “legacy pro”. But I feel like the days of legacy pros are gone. GT and Ishod deserve to be in that category, but will they be? Will they have boards out long after they slow down like the Crail camp dudes? Time will tell but I’m not convinced.
Considering they both skate for companies who have guys with pro boards who are well in their 40's and no longer in their prime, yes......
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I never said skateboarding was a sport and whoever can do the hardest tricks at the moment should be rewarded. I understand there’s a sentimental aspect to it. I’m 37 so I’m a millennial myself.. but personally, I’d rather see someone who’s killing it now get the contract deals and royalties over someone who’s made their cash, owns companies, has other income streams, etc.
I think the up and comers these days are getting shafted by market over-saturation and short attention spans. If someone like Durao came up in the early 2000’s doing the insane shit he’s doing, he would’ve been a household name and also gotten the privilege of being a “legacy pro”. But I feel like the days of legacy pros are gone. GT and Ishod deserve to be in that category, but will they be? Will they have boards out long after they slow down like the Crail camp dudes? Time will tell but I’m not convinced.
Considering they both skate for companies who have guys with pro boards who are well in their 40's and no longer in their prime, yes......
Yeah, Max Schaaf has tried to quit multiple times, and Jim straight up won't let him not have a board. He's talked about it a few times in interviews
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Alright fair enough, I’ll take the L on this one. I shouldn’t fault any brand for doing what they want to do, and the market will speak for itself.
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Suprised no one put it in here but I’m pretty sure there was a welcome back Kosten board at the 30 years of girl thing
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Suprised no one put it in here but I’m pretty sure there was a welcome back Kosten board at the 30 years of girl thing
One of my homies just told me about that but i cant seem to find it. Hopefully someone screen grabs it and posts it up here.
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Suprised no one put it in here but I’m pretty sure there was
One of my homies just told me about that but i cant seem to find it. Hopefully someone screen grabs it and posts it up here.
It’s an old Heath Koston graphic
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Alright fair enough, I’ll take the L on this one. I shouldn’t fault any brand for doing what they want to do, and the market will speak for itself.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with feeling this way. Alot of these examples are guys who have been on the team for years and didn’t quit…..so IMO it’s fair to question it.
We don’t really know how it’ll play out, so I’m keeping an open mind…as much as I said he should just retire, it would be rad to see him on a few trips sprinkled in, maybe this is the best way to go out…
I sort of think this 30 year thing and post COVID/recession is going to transition a lot of people out….it’s an awesome book end to see them all together…..
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Alright fair enough, I’ll take the L on this one. I shouldn’t fault any brand for doing what they want to do, and the market will speak for itself.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with feeling this way. Alot of these examples are guys who have been on the team for years and didn’t quit…..so IMO it’s fair to question it.
We don’t really know how it’ll play out, so I’m keeping an open mind…as much as I said he should just retire, it would be rad to see him on a few trips sprinkled in, maybe this is the best way to go out…
I sort of think this 30 year thing and post COVID/recession is going to transition a lot of people out….it’s an awesome book end to see them all together…..
I would think about this a bit differently. Should we stop listening to the Rolling Stones because they aren't innovating anymore? Because they aren't actively releasing new albums that had the impact they once had? We could be talking about them, or Nas, or insert whoever made a huge impact at one time. Ill never wonder why someone paid tickets to see a Rolling Stones show or bought a t shirt, even though I havent paid attention to anything they have done post 1985. I wont stop listening to a band because they aren't a band anymore or because there are newer bands out now. At one point these examples were at the forefront of a movement that affected a lot of people and things have aged well. Jordan still sells an insane amount of product considering he hasn't been in the league for a long time.
I mean, its still up for debate if it was Koston or Dan Perterka (spelling?, sorry Dan) who invented the crooked grind. Koston was part of the first group flipping their boards switch. Thats insane to think about. He has influenced countless people since 1991, wether you were a 101 fan, a girl kid, first vid was mouse, or yeah right, or started playing THPS, or like the berrics.
Having been around also I have personally seen these older pros far outsell the younger active ripping guys, depending on who we are talking about. Theyve been around longer and more people know of them, from the lifelong skaters to people who took a few years off and notice a Jeron board on the wall. And hardgoods companies dont really have extra money to be wasting. If you see a board from a certain person being made, I am sure someone is buying them somewhere. And a company knowing they can sell a certain about of a Gino board, or a Koston board can help a company pay some bills, or potentially entertain flowing some new people from the income.
Ultimately yes, let the free market decide. But Ive seen all these people move product and continue to. They've had their magnum opus offerings that made a lasting effect on our culture. And it will continue when one day in 20 years there are still a ton of Ishod and Kader boards readily available.
TLDR: Legendary peeps move product and if they didnt, it wouldnt be made.
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It’s an old graphic but could mean something.
Eric is almost 50 and would be silly
To not use that history/nostalgia at girl to sell some decks.
I saw Cliver in the first slide. Koston of SM, on SL.
This was the most important thing I saw in the pics
http://www.instagram.com/p/Cyb3tNhvbo_/? (http://www.instagram.com/p/Cyb3tNhvbo_/?)
just wanted to say that this brought a tear to my eye
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Alright fair enough, I’ll take the L on this one. I shouldn’t fault any brand for doing what they want to do, and the market will speak for itself.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with feeling this way. Alot of these examples are guys who have been on the team for years and didn’t quit…..so IMO it’s fair to question it.
We don’t really know how it’ll play out, so I’m keeping an open mind…as much as I said he should just retire, it would be rad to see him on a few trips sprinkled in, maybe this is the best way to go out…
I sort of think this 30 year thing and post COVID/recession is going to transition a lot of people out….it’s an awesome book end to see them all together…..
I would think about this a bit differently. Should we stop listening to the Rolling Stones because they aren't innovating anymore? Because they aren't actively releasing new albums that had the impact they once had? We could be talking about them, or Nas, or insert whoever made a huge impact at one time. Ill never wonder why someone paid tickets to see a Rolling Stones show or bought a t shirt, even though I havent paid attention to anything they have done post 1985. I wont stop listening to a band because they aren't a band anymore or because there are newer bands out now. At one point these examples were at the forefront of a movement that affected a lot of people and things have aged well. Jordan still sells an insane amount of product considering he hasn't been in the league for a long time.
I mean, its still up for debate if it was Koston or Dan Perterka (spelling?, sorry Dan) who invented the crooked grind. Koston was part of the first group flipping their boards switch. Thats insane to think about. He has influenced countless people since 1991, wether you were a 101 fan, a girl kid, first vid was mouse, or yeah right, or started playing THPS, or like the berrics.
Having been around also I have personally seen these older pros far outsell the younger active ripping guys, depending on who we are talking about. Theyve been around longer and more people know of them, from the lifelong skaters to people who took a few years off and notice a Jeron board on the wall. And hardgoods companies dont really have extra money to be wasting. If you see a board from a certain person being made, I am sure someone is buying them somewhere. And a company knowing they can sell a certain about of a Gino board, or a Koston board can help a company pay some bills, or potentially entertain flowing some new people from the income.
Ultimately yes, let the free market decide. But Ive seen all these people move product and continue to. They've had their magnum opus offerings that made a lasting effect on our culture. And it will continue when one day in 20 years there are still a ton of Ishod and Kader boards readily available.
TLDR: Legendary peeps move product and if they didnt, it wouldnt be made.
Flip's best selling graphic by miles is cheech and chong, despite the fact penny was only a top-level skater for 3/4 years and they've had 3 SoTY's since his peak(ed beanie).
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The Cheech and Chong board is Flip’s highest seller mostly because it appeals to everyone who’s ever picked up a bong and/or skateboard, not because of Penny’s name being on it. Do you also think the Janoski SB’s unimaginable success is due to everyone loving his part in Mosaic?
As for the Stones analogy… of course I don’t expect people to stop listening to them since they’ve past their prime. It makes perfect sense to revisit their previous output that brings you feelings of nostalgia and joy. Would I keep buying their new records if they fell off and phoned them in? No, I wouldn’t. I’d prefer to support new emerging artists that are currently working hard and creating fresh, exciting content.. and who actually need the financial support. Not semi-retired company owners.
But again that’s just my opinion, and as evidenced by this thread, today’s legacy pros have many loyal fans who want to continue paying them, which is fine too.
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The Cheech and Chong board is Flip’s highest seller mostly because it appeals to everyone who’s ever picked up a bong and/or skateboard, not because of Penny’s name being on it. Do you also think the Janoski SB’s unimaginable success is due to everyone loving his part in Mosaic?
As for the Stones analogy… of course I don’t expect people to stop listening to them since they’ve past their prime. It makes perfect sense to revisit their previous output that brings you feelings of nostalgia and joy. Would I keep buying their new records if they fell off and phoned them in? No, I wouldn’t. I’d prefer to support new emerging artists that are currently working hard and creating fresh, exciting content.. and who actually need the financial support. Not semi-retired company owners.
But again that’s just my opinion, and as evidenced by this thread, today’s legacy pros have many loyal fans who want to continue paying them, which is fine too.
Definitely different situations, I think some things just transcend skating. This is more to people questioning Koston's or Gino's or whoever's place/pro status in the industry, which we see a lot. And I'd equate using a board closer to buying a shirt than investing time into an album.
All being said I think its dope you specifically approach the active people as far as product. That makes a difference for that person for sure. Using the power of your dollar.