Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[FLstrange]

They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this thread.

[shit_for_brains]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this evidence. The DA has seen it. There’s still charges.

People think Stone Cold's music is going to hit in a court room

[Allen.]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this evidence. The DA has seen it. There’s still charges.

that’s exactly my point.

[GollyIamGully]

Going to trial for him with this is such a dumb idea, how's that? They've had him in there since December on no bail because of how fucked his butt is. Have you ever had jury duty? Do you want those dipshits deciding your fate? I'd rather they take me out back and shoot me. The only reason I didn't take my deal was because I already knew it was getting dismissed and that took a year. No goddamn way am I letting my "peers" judge me they think security guards are cops and cops are soldiers and soldiers are heroes and now you're doing 15 years.

Real shit.

[stokedtrout]

Is there a stream of the trial?

[TheLurper]

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Going to trial for him with this is such a dumb idea, how's that? They've had him in there since December on no bail because of how fucked his butt is. Have you ever had jury duty? Do you want those dipshits deciding your fate? I'd rather they take me out back and shoot me. The only reason I didn't take my deal was because I already knew it was getting dismissed and that took a year. No goddamn way am I letting my "peers" judge me they think security guards are cops and cops are soldiers and soldiers are heroes and now you're doing 15 years.

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Real shit.

I was almost selected for jury duty a few years back when I lived in a decaying/rural region of America. The other people on the jury were scary as fuck. One potential juror blurted out, "Well he must have done it. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here." Thankfully, she was dismissed rather quickly, but it was frightening to see who were my potential "peers."

It was basically the type of people who would just be looking for an excuse to send me to the electric chair because I must be up to no good.

[chris gentryfied]

well good thing you dodged jury duty the Lurper so those backwards people could put their buddy in jail. i'm a felon so i believe i'm exempt but i'd hear a case, fuck it. i usedta watch court for fun, i'd be into it.
your boy wasn't that off, i think innocent convictions are only 11% anyways so 9 outta 10 the dude was guilty.

[TheLurper]

well good thing you dodged jury duty the Lurper so those backwards people could put their buddy in jail. i'm a felon so i believe i'm exempt but i'd hear a case, fuck it. i usedta watch court for fun, i'd be into it.
your boy wasn't that off, i think innocent convictions are only 11% anyways so 9 outta 10 the dude was guilty.

As interesting and fun as your strong opinions and assumptions are, the prosecutor cut me the first chance he got. I was dismissed. Nothing was dodged.

[breakingthewaves]

he's up against three charges, each of which pose a maximum felony sentence of 4 years

[SneakySecrets]

public defender is what i meant yeah the DA is the guy trying to convict the guy. your correct.

Yeah that guy is next to the guy with the funny-looking typewriter.  Then there is this other guy and he is wearing a tablecloth (weird) and he’s the guy that bangs the hammer but I don’t know what he does besides hammering.

[igrindtwinkies]

he's up against three charges, each of which pose a maximum felony sentence of 4 years

That's pretty fucked up.  He basically murdered that guy.

[papo]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

[chris gentryfied]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

you can't have something that gets you out w/out proving it in court. you can't prove it in court til all sides are ready at trial. trial takes time. so you can't just pull a rabbit out your hat, generally speaking. the DA has to give your attorney all their evidence at discovery but i don't think your attorney busts out your alibi til trial. judges generally don't dismiss cases til it's time for trial and the DA knows they ain't got the goods to convict and you aren't taking their [bluff] deal.

[breakingthewaves]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.

hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.

[Allen.]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

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my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.

hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.

Considering the crew Jesse has been known to skate with in the past and was [allegedly] rolling with that day, I think we'd all be shocked if the [alleged] footage wasn't filmed by Gershall and by someone else. That said, they [Jesse / Lawyers] could be bluffing and saying that there's evidence to prove him innocent when there isn't. After all, OJ's still looking for the real killers, right?

All I was trying to say on the last page is that just because we haven't seen the video doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
How often do you get to see all of the evidence in a trial before the trial happens?

That said, even if it exists, I don't know how much it will do. Ever try and watch back a clip where you slammed only to find out that from where the clip was filmed, you can't even see you rolling your ankle or hitting your head or what-the-fuck-ever? Imagine that clip but there's a full on fight between multiple people going on - no matter how good of a filmer you may be, you're not expecting that to happen... that and dude was probably filming fish, who knows if someone walked in front of the camera during the only portion that matters.

Either way - going to trial is definitely a bad idea. The state almost always plays dirty.

[Get the strap]

Can't the judge dismiss evidence in a trial for no reason? I agree the news clip with the lawyer saying the other footage exonerates him could be bullshit for the press, but who knows...just have to wait and see...

I did hear recently that this incident was the first time someone from the gx1000 crew got caught fighting people kicking them out of a spot. I heard individuals from the crew has gotten away with this before.

[BacksideWallride]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

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my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.

hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.

Yeah they shot down that "exonerating" video immediately. I'm not going through 47 pages but at some point someone posted that multiple GX dudes posted the fight to IG stories...

[breakingthewaves]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

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Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.

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my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.

hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.

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Considering the crew Jesse has been known to skate with in the past and was [allegedly] rolling with that day, I think we'd all be shocked if the [alleged] footage wasn't filmed by Gershall and by someone else. That said, they [Jesse / Lawyers] could be bluffing and saying that there's evidence to prove him innocent when there isn't. After all, OJ's still looking for the real killers, right?

All I was trying to say on the last page is that just because we haven't seen the video doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
How often do you get to see all of the evidence in a trial before the trial happens?

That said, even if it exists, I don't know how much it will do. Ever try and watch back a clip where you slammed only to find out that from where the clip was filmed, you can't even see you rolling your ankle or hitting your head or what-the-fuck-ever? Imagine that clip but there's a full on fight between multiple people going on - no matter how good of a filmer you may be, you're not expecting that to happen... that and dude was probably filming fish, who knows if someone walked in front of the camera during the only portion that matters.

Either way - going to trial is definitely a bad idea. The state almost always plays dirty.

no question that the video exists and has been seen by the judge and also the media. but your points about the veracity of the footage are definitely valid.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html

next court date is tomorrow morning at 9am, indicating this is indeed in the trial phase.

[breakingthewaves]

as for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.

vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.

he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.

we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.

from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.

i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.

[DannyDee]

as for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.

vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.

he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.

we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.

from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.

i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.

I think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.

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as for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.

vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.

he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.

we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.

from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.

i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.

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I think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.

i didn't know this. i always thought if substantial new evidence was found the state could retry.
 

[chris gentryfied]

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as for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.

vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.

he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.

we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.

from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.

i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.

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I think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.

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i didn't know this. i always thought if substantial new evidence was found the state could retry.

fuck no they can't!
firstly, cops don't work for fun. they don't investigate cases the DA already botched. veni vidi and failed to vici.
you can brag about the crime after you beat it but it's considered bad form and will usually end in retaliatory measures. IRS audits, pulled over and harassed by cops where ever you go til ultimately you're given a long prison sentence for stealing back your football that someone stole from you.
so yeah, you might get vendetta convicted behind beating the first case but you can't be re-tried.

[JeremyScottofChapman]

This thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality. 

[papo]

This thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.

Chill bro, Saint Quentin aint that bad, plus its close to home

[os89]

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This thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.

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Chill bro, Saint Quentin aint that bad, plus its close to home

You live in France?

[lampshade]

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Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?

come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.

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Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.

Would have been so much more legit if it was VX1000 footage. 

[Jagr]

Things SLAP Pals have an impressive amount of knowledge about:
1. Skate videos
2. Addiction/Rehab
3. The legal process

Shalom.

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This thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.

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Chill bro, Saint Quentin aint that bad, plus its close to home

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You live in France?

You live in Frisco?

[breakingthewaves]

looks like the trial is going into day five on monday

[Painted Baby]

Oh damn, they're already trying this case. Thanks for the update BTW. Chaos reigns.