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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1680 on: July 25, 2019, 01:58:59 PM »
Can someone copy and paste the NY Times article, I'm getting a subscribers only message.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1681 on: July 25, 2019, 01:59:53 PM »
The open area outside 555 California Street in San Francisco is known as Black Rock to skateboarders, who turned this otherwise unexceptional corporate plaza into a magnet for the sport beginning in the 1990s.

With its low, stone walls and steps lined with steel banisters, the plaza has served as an ideal stage for the skateboarding videos that proliferate on the internet, attracting skaters from across the region to a spot where skateboarding is prohibited.

In November, a group of skaters descended upon the plaza. Within minutes, a security guard who had worked at 555 California for 12 years, Dan Jansen, arrived to shoo them out, moving steel barriers in front of the area where the skaters wanted to do their tricks.

Just as quickly, skaters removed the barriers, and an increasingly tense show of force from both sides ensued. At one point, Jansen picked up a skateboard and tossed it into the street. That is when the situation turned violent. Within seconds, he was lying unconscious in a pool of his urine.

Security footage shows the confrontation between skateboarders and a security worker outside 555 California Street in San Francisco, known as Black Rock.
The confrontation was captured by a security camera a short distance away. The trauma to Jansen’s head caused his brain to swell, requiring emergency surgery to remove a part of his skull and frontal lobe. “All medical teams agreed that without surgery, this patient will die,” read one of Jansen’s health records. He was left with permanent brain damage.

Nearly nine months later, he still struggles with walking and recognizing family members.


Dan Jansen in a photograph provided by the family. Amanda Jansen
For the skateboarding world, which for years has glorified disputes with security guards, the confrontation has resulted in collective soul-searching at a crucial moment, just a year before the sport’s Olympic debut at the 2020 Games in Tokyo. A sport that has long identified with rebellion is questioning whether its fascination with defiance is somehow responsible for forever changing the life of someone simply doing his job.

“I do hold those who glamorize confronting security — rather than just leaving the second we are asked, as 99 percent of skaters do — somewhat responsible for the behavior they depict and profit from,” said Mackenzie Eisenhour, a former editor of Transworld Skateboarding, which has featured videos of security confrontations on its website.

But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months.


A confrontation like the one at 555 California would never have happened had skateboarding not moved, beginning in the 1980s, away from the parks and ramps built for the sport. Skateboarding now largely exists in a legally hazy space where amateur and professional skateboarders use existing infrastructure for their own purposes. Skateboarders, photographers and filmers now scout locations to document their tricks, creating a world with its own code of behavior, including an unspoken prohibition against executing the same trick at the same location as a previous skater.

That code never addressed how to respond when security workers do their job. Some skateboarders choose to flee before anything escalates, but others engage, often making for compelling scenes of what goes into the act of creating these videos.

A clip posted to Thrasher magazine’s Instagram account days before Jansen was injured shows a skater crashing into a security guard not far from 555 California Street.


Jansen had dealt with skateboarders many times before. The previous day, a colleague had called the police because of a resistant group of them.

“There’s 10, 15 skateboarders on the property, on the sidewalk,” the colleague says on a recording. “And we’ve asked them to leave and they’re not, and it’s getting out of hand. ”

On Dec. 10, the police in San Francisco arrested Jesse Vieira, a professional skateboarder, in connection with the confrontation with Jansen. Vieira was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, assault with force likely to cause great bodily injury and battery with serious bodily injury.

He pleaded not guilty and claimed self-defense. In May, a jury deadlocked. Prosecutors have set a new court date for September.

A lawyer for Vieira, Doug Rappaport, said the altercation and Jansen’s injury were the result of a series of unfortunate events. He said Jansen overreacted in the heat of the moment.

“Everything just came to a head that day and he just lost his cool just for a split second and Jesse happened to be standing there,” Rappaport said. “It’s unfortunate for everybody, horrible for the security guard.”

Jansen’s family is less focused on the outcome of the trial than on his struggles with the injuries.

“What happens to Jesse doesn’t change anything,” Amanda Jansen, said when asked how she felt after the mistrial.

Regardless of the outcome of the next trial, some important voices from within skateboarding are acknowledging that the sport needs to put the brakes on glorifying conflicts with security workers and get back to what Eisenhour described as “certain guidelines” that can minimize “the odds of conflict — and keeping the disruption to a minimum so the spot can still be used by others.”


If this case is an example, those guidelines may have broken down over time.

Brian Anderson, a longtime professional skateboarder and Thrasher’s 1999 skater of the year, said there were ways to head off a conflict.

“Sometimes there will be a security guard that’s like, ‘Hey you guys, I didn’t see you, you didn’t see me,’ and he or she will actually leave and you say thanks,” Anderson said.

Other times, skating involves moving from one place to the next to stay one step ahead of trouble.

“Treating those people with respect and walking away provides you with the opportunity to just feel better, feel good about yourself, but also you can most likely come back,” Josh Stewart, who makes films about the sport, said.

Since the inception of skateboarding, many skateboarders have sought the image of being rebels in an outlaw sport in which dodging security guards and the police goes with the territory. In the 1970s, skaters would find foreclosed homes and skate in their empty swimming pools, quickly fleeing if somebody came.

Once street skateboarding became dominant, videos that celebrated altercations with security guards, homeowners and pedestrians began to proliferate.

Neal Mims, a former professional skateboarder, said the rebellious side of skateboarding was always present. He said he did not like it because it was disrespectful to those outside the sport.

Neal Mims from Transworld SKATEboarding's Feedback video released in 1999. Transworld SKATEboarding
In a 1999 clip from the Transworld Skateboarding video “Feedback,” Mims nearly crashed into an oncoming security worker, and then got into a verbal altercation.

Mims, now a skateboarding coach, said skaters still recited the dialogue to him, though he was now ashamed of it. “The words, the language that I used, all is very disrespectful,” he said. “Pointing my finger in his face, telling him this ‘thing will annihilate you.’”

In 2018, around the time of the confrontation at 555 California Street, the skateboard shop and streetwear brand Supreme released a video called “Blessed.” In the final section of the video, the skateboarder Tyshawn Jones was shown trying to wrestle a security worker’s bicycle away from him and to tear barriers from a security worker’s hands in order to do his tricks. Later in 2018, Jones was crowned Thrasher’s skater of the year.

“I do believe that having Supreme, then Thrasher, elevate and glamorize that behavior to their highest rungs can lead to bad things as kids copy it in real life,” Eisenhour said. “To a degree, we are all guilty.”

Jones declined to comment. Thrasher did not respond to requests for comment.

For two weeks, there was no official word about who was involved at Black Rock, but the police suspected skateboarders, according to news reports. The security footage the police were using to identify suspects clearly showed a group of seven skateboarders.


The first post on the Slap message boards about the confrontation was dated Nov. 27, 2018.
Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher. They have also been featured in The New York Times.


The charges against Jesse Vieira.
Vieira, the defendant, was recently on the cover of Thrasher and is a staple of the GX1000 videos. This was not a rogue gang with skateboards. This was a group of professionals with support from companies that embraced the sport’s culture.


Jesse Vieira on the cover of the August 2018 issue of Thrasher magazine.
During the trial, defense lawyers presented a second video of the confrontation, shot by one of the skateboarders at the scene. Vieira’s lawyer has argued that Jansen was responsible for inciting the violence.

Defense lawyers submitted this video as evidence in California’s criminal case against the skateboarder Jesse Vieira. He pleaded not guilty and claimed self-defense.
Still, numerous skateboarders described a sense of embarrassment to be associated with such behavior.

A Jan. 4, 2019, Instagram post from Eisenhour brought the story to the attention of many skaters.

The longtime skateboard photographer Bryce Kanights responded to the post, writing: “Truly saddened to see this and disgusted to think that those that enjoy the freedoms of skateboarding had to take such violent forms of action against a person doing their job.”

Stewart, the filmmaker, said he was worried about repercussions for the sport. If the sport glorifies confrontations, security workers may crack down even harder, limiting the places to skate.

Suggesting the culture needs to do its own policing, he said, “When I see it in videos it confirms to me or confirms to the rest of the world that it’s something that needs to be more policed.”


Jansen being transferred to a walker for rehabilitation in June. Amanda Jansen
Jansen has had two additional brain operations. For a time, he was able to walk with assistance, but not anymore. He had recovered enough to recognize family members, but that ability has also declined. He currently receives therapy in outpatient rehab five days a week, but the arrangement is temporary, and his long-term future remains uncertain.

“We will need to figure out how to care for him,” Jansen’s niece, Amanda, said.

Vieira’s lawyer insisted in the first trial that Jansen had a longstanding resentment toward skateboarders, that he referred to them as “punks” and “street brats” to his boss.

“Security guards don’t have the right to beat you, and that’s what happened here,” Mr. Rappaport, the lawyer, said. “It’s so sad, but the fact is, it was a fight — and Mr. Vieira defended himself.”

Whether or not a second jury agrees with him, the skateboarding community will render its own judgment.

“I think the skate culture needs to take a long, hard look at where it’s going,” the Berrics, a skateboarding website, posted on Eisenhour’s Instagram post. “This is really sad for anyone to have to deal with.”
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1682 on: July 25, 2019, 02:01:09 PM »
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1683 on: July 25, 2019, 02:01:29 PM »
Slap screenshots are making it into the NYTimes.

Can someone post the screen shots?

I used up my free articles for month and I can't read the article.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1684 on: July 25, 2019, 02:02:52 PM »
It should work if you open the link in an incognito window.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1685 on: July 25, 2019, 02:08:36 PM »
It should work if you open the link in an incognito window.

Good call. Thanks.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1686 on: July 25, 2019, 02:09:06 PM »

the message boards link takes you right to the thread.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1687 on: July 25, 2019, 02:16:17 PM »
So it seems Jesse is getting re-tried.

I think the video ignores it took 15 minutes of building up to get to that point of the skaters moving barricades and stopping him from doing his job. The security guard didn't come out like that. Either way, a sad situation all around.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1688 on: July 25, 2019, 02:31:26 PM »
I can still barely tell what went on from Garshell's and cctv footage but all the prosecutor has to do is show all the GX edits where they fuck with homeowners and security. They'll say its in their character (and is) to be confrontational.

In the cctv Dela def started it. Crazy shit.


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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1689 on: July 25, 2019, 02:33:56 PM »
neal mims?!

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1690 on: July 25, 2019, 02:52:25 PM »
Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1691 on: July 25, 2019, 02:56:33 PM »
Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
You're leaving out the part where Jesse spikes the guard's radio into the ground a few feet away from him while he's still on the ground. Not necessarily a direct act of violence, but still a bit far from "doing nothing"

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1692 on: July 25, 2019, 02:59:34 PM »
Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?

In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1693 on: July 25, 2019, 03:06:21 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.

Yea nevm that would take away any self defense. Back to fuck Jesse if that’s how it went down.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1694 on: July 25, 2019, 03:20:31 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1695 on: July 25, 2019, 03:24:25 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
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Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?

I was thinking the same thing...he reached down to grab the radio and then smashed it on the ground.

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« Reply #1696 on: July 25, 2019, 03:29:36 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
[close]

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?

It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1697 on: July 25, 2019, 04:08:05 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
[close]

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?
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It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?

Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1698 on: July 25, 2019, 04:36:57 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
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You're leaving out the part where Jesse spikes the guard's radio into the ground a few feet away from him while he's still on the ground. Not necessarily a direct act of violence, but still a bit far from "doing nothing"
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1699 on: July 25, 2019, 04:43:13 PM »
Looks like he got pushed/punched and fell backwards over a board. As soon as his noggin hits the ground everyone started to bolt. Super unfortunate circumstances.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1700 on: July 25, 2019, 05:06:30 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
[close]

In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
[close]

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?
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It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?
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Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.

The first angle did not conclusively prove or disprove anything. The security angle filled in what wasn't seen on camera in the first angle. He clearly approached and either hit or threw something at the guard. It is right there on camera. Are you really that dense?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1701 on: July 25, 2019, 05:16:48 PM »
hadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer...  :'(
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1702 on: July 25, 2019, 06:19:36 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
[close]

In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
[close]

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?
[close]

It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?
[close]

Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.

this.  also he Jesse is clearly retreating with the guard is attacking him, and he swings at the guard while CLEARLY moving backwards to get away.  Jesse and someone else struggle with the guard, who is still trying to attack, when the guard falls back and hit his head.  He fell because of the struggle, not because someone hit him. 

The guard was the aggressor.  Jesse didn't even have anything to do with the initial confrontation.  He was just standing there when the guard got up and charged at him.  I can't fathom how some of you, having watched a much better up close and higher quality angle, are still denying the reality it shows and are bent on throwing another skater under the bus.  Its tragic what happened to that guy, but I think any of us would have defended ourselves in a similar situation. 
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1703 on: July 25, 2019, 06:27:51 PM »
I dunno. I probably wouldn’t have thrown the goddamn walkie talkie at him after my friend assaulted him. That is aggressive. But I guess to each there own.

They should have left. End of story.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1704 on: July 25, 2019, 06:35:30 PM »
this.  also he Jesse is clearly retreating with the guard is attacking him, and he swings at the guard while CLEARLY moving backwards to get away.  Jesse and someone else struggle with the guard, who is still trying to attack, when the guard falls back and hit his head.  He fell because of the struggle, not because someone hit him. 

The guard was the aggressor.  Jesse didn't even have anything to do with the initial confrontation.  He was just standing there when the guard got up and charged at him.  I can't fathom how some of you, having watched a much better up close and higher quality angle, are still denying the reality it shows and are bent on throwing another skater under the bus.  Its tragic what happened to that guy, but I think any of us would have defended ourselves in a similar situation.

I mean I would never have found myself in a similar situation because I'm not a dick and I understand the guy is just doing his job and I would have left when he asked me to. I sure as shit wouldn't have antagonized him and moved barriers. I don't care who threw the first punch, when you start doing that shit you're at fault for the entire situation in my book.

It's not as if there's a shortage of street spots in SF, or any other city for that matter. Fucking act like an adult and go somewhere else. You have no right to be there in the first place so don't get pissy when they ask you to leave. Move on, and come back later when the coast is clear if you're that intent on getting the clip. This shit isn't rocket surgery.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1705 on: July 25, 2019, 06:41:32 PM »
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Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.

So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
[close]

In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
[close]

Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.

What the fuck is going on with you people?
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It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?
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Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.
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The first angle did not conclusively prove or disprove anything. The security angle filled in what wasn't seen on camera in the first angle. He clearly approached and either hit or threw something at the guard. It is right there on camera. Are you really that dense?

The moment that you see on the security cam that he "either hits or throws something at the guard" you can sync up with the new footage that shows he is in fact not getting hit. The camera is on the guard the whole time(!!), so despite not being able to see the skater, you know he is not punching the guard because you are watching close up footage of the guard at that moment. You can tell (in both) that the skater was throwing something on the ground, in an attempt to smash it (hint: it's his walkie talkie). I very well may be a total idiot, but I am legitimately confused that people are arguing this, I'll try to stop. Shalom to all.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1706 on: July 25, 2019, 06:55:55 PM »
Pretty clear that it was an accident, its not like they trucked him in the head or romper stomped the guy. If the security guard fell after being pushed and smashed his head on ground thats unfortunate but not something that was pre-meditated. I think at most a heap of community service would be a good outcome for all. Putting Jesse in jail is not helping anyone.

And to all the judgementals in this thread who preach from behind their keyboards, this could have happened to any one of you. We’ve all been there, its a lot easier to walk when the security is being civil but when theres escalation from both ends all kinds of crazy shit can happen. I would have pushed a guard if they pushed me and I bet many of you would have too at some point in your lives.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1707 on: July 25, 2019, 07:25:07 PM »
Cool, it only took 62 pages for people to realize that Jesse did not cave the guys skull in with his skateboard. It sucks that he's getting re-tried though.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1708 on: July 25, 2019, 07:28:36 PM »
Hard to tell, but it looks like Dan stumbled over a board on the ground, but the way he went down suggests he was knocked out prior to the fall. However, when he went down the first time he fell back awkwardly the same way. Looks like he's just not very coordinated when it comes to falling down, as most people aren't. It's heartbreaking to hear his head hit the ground and see him laying there like that. I don't think any of the skaters deserve to be jailed seeing how it was an unfortunate chain of events, but Dela definitely seems like the instigator that started it all. Good to see the filmer extend a hand to help him up after the first fall and suggest calling an ambulance after the second.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1709 on: July 25, 2019, 07:57:14 PM »
Cool, it only took 62 pages for people to realize that Jesse did not cave the guys skull in with his skateboard. It sucks that he's getting re-tried though.

It doesn't appear to have been a hit, but at 0:17 of the GX video and 0:26 of the CCTV it is clear that Jesse's board is swung at head level, which is really not a good look and maybe where the deadly weapon thing came up.

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The first angle did not conclusively prove or disprove anything. The security angle filled in what wasn't seen on camera in the first angle. He clearly approached and either hit or threw something at the guard. It is right there on camera. Are you really that dense?
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The moment that you see on the security cam that he "either hits or throws something at the guard" you can sync up with the new footage that shows he is in fact not getting hit. The camera is on the guard the whole time(!!), so despite not being able to see the skater, you know he is not punching the guard because you are watching close up footage of the guard at that moment. You can tell (in both) that the skater was throwing something on the ground, in an attempt to smash it (hint: it's his walkie talkie). I very well may be a total idiot, but I am legitimately confused that people are arguing this, I'll try to stop. Shalom to all.

Also, whether he wanted to smash the walkie talkie or hit him with it is also up in the air—Dan raises his hand and leans away from Jesse as he chucks it. It was an intimidation or an attack, not a natural response. From the ground it probably looked like an attack, which infuriated him further and made him go after Jesse once he got up. Pushing and shoving is usually the start of any confrontation, but don't tell me "any of us" would have grabbed the radio and smashed it at him while he was on the ground.

Anywho, I feel these too:
They should have left. End of story.
“To a degree, we are all guilty.” - case closed.
It's heartbreaking to hear his head hit the ground and see him laying there like that.
Lil' Wayne is more core than Jaden Smith.
Damn. Chico of Chocolate now Pyramids of Giza. What the hell is going on?