Terry Kennedy of baker

[TastyBurrito]

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Next hearing Sept 15th

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TL;DR:  TK turned down all plea agreements and evidence is being DNA tested.  I want to follow this case closer, but that dude just drags those videos on and on.

I'm curious what kind of plea deals he was being offered?  I'm guessing they were so long of sentences that they just decided to go for a hail mary acquittal.

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I assume life to plead and expedite the process vs. death and a drawn out trial

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Illinois does not have the death penalty and even if it did I don't think this is crazy enough for that. Terrible tragedy but not premeditated.

I’m no lawyer, but he was charged with first-degree murder. Doesn’t that charge alone imply some sort of of pre-meditation?

[Dark Knight]

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Another update


Next hearing Sept 15th

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TL;DR:  TK turned down all plea agreements and evidence is being DNA tested.  I want to follow this case closer, but that dude just drags those videos on and on.

I'm curious what kind of plea deals he was being offered?  I'm guessing they were so long of sentences that they just decided to go for a hail mary acquittal.

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I assume life to plead and expedite the process vs. death and a drawn out trial

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Illinois does not have the death penalty and even if it did I don't think this is crazy enough for that. Terrible tragedy but not premeditated.

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I’m no lawyer, but he was charged with first-degree murder. Doesn’t that charge alone imply some sort of of pre-meditation?

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Wondering how he’s doing in an Illinois prison considering he’s from the LBC.  Those Chicago boys don’t play.  He’s probably in there with some O-Block heads

[$$LESH]

josiah was the homie. terry deserves a life sentence. an eye for an eye.

[DCLOVE]

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Another update


Next hearing Sept 15th

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TL;DR:  TK turned down all plea agreements and evidence is being DNA tested.  I want to follow this case closer, but that dude just drags those videos on and on.

I'm curious what kind of plea deals he was being offered?  I'm guessing they were so long of sentences that they just decided to go for a hail mary acquittal.

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I assume life to plead and expedite the process vs. death and a drawn out trial

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Illinois does not have the death penalty and even if it did I don't think this is crazy enough for that. Terrible tragedy but not premeditated.

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I’m no lawyer, but he was charged with first-degree murder. Doesn’t that charge alone imply some sort of of pre-meditation?

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Wondering how he’s doing in an Illinois prison considering he’s from the LBC.  Those Chicago boys don’t play.  He’s probably in there with some O-Block heads

I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t just hung himself. You gotta assume they have him medicated in there and he’s lucid now and realizing he’s fucked . Damn what a life tho from tv star dating rev runs daughter to in prison for murder over a couple bucks.

[Royce Lopez]

Some people in skateboarding who did much less are way more hated than TK

[Not_Bruce]

Some people in skateboarding who did much less are way more hated than TK

TK situation is tough because he murdered an innocent skater who had a reputation for being a kind
person....things get weird with TK because the entire skateboarding community watched him descend into madness.He lost his family , became homeless in Long Beach and then started smoking meth which made him more unhinged.The biggest victim is the innocent young skater who was murdered by Terry , but in my opinion the disintegration of TK is probably one of the saddest things to happen in recent memory in skating.

[ziggy]

next Well Of G’s album should be banging

[augustmoon]

In that youtube video, they talk about them getting DNA testing on Terry's rings, to try to equate him wearing rings to a weapon like brass knuckles, in order to increase the severity of his charge.  They also say that he basically "sucker punched" josiah out of nowhere.  Maybe those factors are where the premeditation argument is coming from.  Either way, this dude is never getting out.  Gonna suck for him being so far from home where he'd at least maybe know some people in there.  I think his best hope is maybe being put into a psych ward instead of regular prison. 

[Hevonen]

In that youtube video, they talk about them getting DNA testing on Terry's rings, to try to equate him wearing rings to a weapon like brass knuckles, in order to increase the severity of his charge.  They also say that he basically "sucker punched" josiah out of nowhere.  Maybe those factors are where the premeditation argument is coming from.  Either way, this dude is never getting out.  Gonna suck for him being so far from home where he'd at least maybe know some people in there.  I think his best hope is maybe being put into a psych ward instead of regular prison.

Is it really better? I thought they just pump you up with all sorts of medication untill you die at the age of 50 in those places

[augustmoon]

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In that youtube video, they talk about them getting DNA testing on Terry's rings, to try to equate him wearing rings to a weapon like brass knuckles, in order to increase the severity of his charge.  They also say that he basically "sucker punched" josiah out of nowhere.  Maybe those factors are where the premeditation argument is coming from.  Either way, this dude is never getting out.  Gonna suck for him being so far from home where he'd at least maybe know some people in there.  I think his best hope is maybe being put into a psych ward instead of regular prison.

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Is it really better? I thought they just pump you up with all sorts of medication untill you die at the age of 50 in those places

i guess it could be arugably worse.  would you rather be crazy in a normal jail, or normal in a psych ward?  he's in for a real bad time either way. 

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In that youtube video, they talk about them getting DNA testing on Terry's rings, to try to equate him wearing rings to a weapon like brass knuckles, in order to increase the severity of his charge.  They also say that he basically "sucker punched" josiah out of nowhere.  Maybe those factors are where the premeditation argument is coming from.  Either way, this dude is never getting out.  Gonna suck for him being so far from home where he'd at least maybe know some people in there.  I think his best hope is maybe being put into a psych ward instead of regular prison.

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Is it really better? I thought they just pump you up with all sorts of medication untill you die at the age of 50 in those places

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i guess it could be arugably worse.  would you rather be crazy in a normal jail, or normal in a psych ward?  he's in for a real bad time either way.

psych wards in the US are more fucked than gen pop prison, plus to be committed means you clearly crazy not TK with anger management issues

[Coastal Fever]

Yeah I’ll take being beaten/stabbed/raped over sedation and jigsaw puzzles any day.  No brainer…

[TheLurper]

Both gen pop and the prison psyched ward would hell.

At an older prison, in gen pop, you get to deal with extreme boredom coupled with an intense fear of violence, and in the prison psych ward, you get to spend the day in some dingy shit-hole drooling on yourself completely doped up on drugs.

They both sound like horrible experience. I mean what is worse, consciously living in terrible conditions or being so doped up that you don't know that you are alive?

[dannyprovolone]

why would he be in psych ward? plenty of people in prison are worse of mentally. although he's def fucked. his gang affiliation probably isnt helping either.  i dont rember him smoking meth tho. (that was twuan?)

[fulfillthedream]

damn this is so sad.

has anyone from the skateboarding industry spoke on this?

[InkkeACAB]

psych ward means no release date

[winecrab]

psych ward means no release date

I doubt he'll ever get released from prison anyway. At least at the psych ward you get free sedatives

[Abyss1]

why would he be in psych ward? plenty of people in prison are worse of mentally. although he's def fucked. his gang affiliation probably isnt helping either.  i dont rember him smoking meth tho. (that was twuan?)

At one point he was hanging out with some random crack head girls …it might have been inferred by the rooms he was in too, and his weird posts

Tk is no where close to having real (bam level) psych issues dont think anyone will entertain that idea he does

[TastyBurrito]

psych ward means no release date

If found guilty for first degree, I believe that’s life without parole. Either way, he wouldn’t see any kind of release date.

[Painted Baby]

next Well Of G’s album should be banging

G's...why did it have to be G's?

[Not_Bruce]

why would he be in psych ward? plenty of people in prison are worse of mentally. although he's def fucked. his gang affiliation probably isnt helping either.  i dont rember him smoking meth tho. (that was twuan?)

I am not sure if you remember the time around the infamous slap "Shalom" joke , TK started to unravel around then. If you watch his Nine Club interview , observe his disposition and then compare it to his subsequent behaviour after he released the MUTA part on the berrics.

[versacekid420]

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next Well Of G’s album should be banging

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G's...why did it have to be G's?

ask tk

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why would he be in psych ward? plenty of people in prison are worse of mentally. although he's def fucked. his gang affiliation probably isnt helping either.  i dont rember him smoking meth tho. (that was twuan?)

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I am not sure if you remember the time around the infamous slap "Shalom" joke , TK started to unravel around then. If you watch his Nine Club interview , observe his disposition and then compare it to his subsequent behaviour after he released the MUTA part on the berrics.

It's crazy to me that the nine club still has that interview up, it's one of their worst interviews too

[Dr Hass]

Isn’t it really difficult to plead insanity anyway? Has to meet all sorts of criteria etc.

Anyway this is all pretty shit and sad to see. I didn’t follow the entire saga - basically picked up the thread a couple of weeks before the murder. Idk. To me it always depresses me how these people don’t seem to have anyone around them to pull them up by the scruff of the neck when they’re about to fall one step too far.

Please don’t take the above as any support of sympathy for what TK did, but yeah, having someone who is strong and looking out for you, really does a world of good. So many people don’t have that and then boom, they do something or something happens to them that changes their lives forever.

[TheLurper]

National Institute of Mental Health found that less than 1 percent of county court cases involved the insanity defense, and that of those, only around one in four was successful.

And TK isn't going to fit the neither arrow definition of insanity used in the States:
"at the time of committing the act, he was laboring under such a defect of reason from disease of the mind as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing, or if he did know it, that he did not know what he was doing was wrong."

"if at the time of his conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality (wrongfulness) of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of law."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/faqs.html#:~:text=Although%20cases%20invoking%20the%20insanity,a%20fraction%20of%20those1.

[TastyBurrito]

Anyway this is all pretty shit and sad to see. I didn’t follow the entire saga - basically picked up the thread a couple of weeks before the murder. Idk. To me it always depresses me how these people don’t seem to have anyone around them to pull them up by the scruff of the neck when they’re about to fall one step too far.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I think there were stories in here where TK didn't want help. Like I think someone at Brooklyn Projects tried to say something, but TK was just like "shalom" and walked away.

I think even an old Baker rider (Dollin?) wrote something like they saw him degrading mentally but TK didn't want to accept help.

This is tragic all around. But when it comes to helping someone, it's hard to help those who don't want to be helped.

[Abyss1]

National Institute of Mental Health found that less than 1 percent of county court cases involved the insanity defense, and that of those, only around one in four was successful.

And TK isn't going to fit the neither arrow definition of insanity used in the States:
"at the time of committing the act, he was laboring under such a defect of reason from disease of the mind as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing, or if he did know it, that he did not know what he was doing was wrong."

"if at the time of his conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality (wrongfulness) of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of law."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/faqs.html#:~:text=Although%20cases%20invoking%20the%20insanity,a%20fraction%20of%20those1.

This was pretty good at explaining what crazy looks like as opposed to someone who isnt

[fakiefs180]

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Anyway this is all pretty shit and sad to see. I didn’t follow the entire saga - basically picked up the thread a couple of weeks before the murder. Idk. To me it always depresses me how these people don’t seem to have anyone around them to pull them up by the scruff of the neck when they’re about to fall one step too far.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I think there were stories in here where TK didn't want help. Like I think someone at Brooklyn Projects tried to say something, but TK was just like "shalom" and walked away.

I think even an old Baker rider (Dollin?) wrote something like they saw him degrading mentally but TK didn't want to accept help.

This is tragic all around. But when it comes to helping someone, it's hard to help those who don't want to be helped.

Pretty much this. Seen it way too many times over the last years and I am tired of trying to help someone who isn't willing to improve his/her life.

[Theme For A Jackal]

Anyway this is all pretty shit and sad to see. I didn’t follow the entire saga - basically picked up the thread a couple of weeks before the murder. Idk. To me it always depresses me how these people don’t seem to have anyone around them to pull them up by the scruff of the neck when they’re about to fall one step too far.

Sounds like you've never been in the situation of having a loved one that's hell bent on destruction and refuses any help you offer... people only accept help when they want it

[Paperclip20]

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Anyway this is all pretty shit and sad to see. I didn’t follow the entire saga - basically picked up the thread a couple of weeks before the murder. Idk. To me it always depresses me how these people don’t seem to have anyone around them to pull them up by the scruff of the neck when they’re about to fall one step too far.

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Sounds like you've never been in the situation of having a loved one that's hell bent on destruction and refuses any help you offer... people only accept help when they want it

This is the hardest part. All of this has been horrible to see but it's the same with Bam. You can only do so much when people won't accept help.