Twin tail

[Easy Slider]

I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.

Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.

And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.

Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.

https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

[goodatmeth]

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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.

Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.

And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.

Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.

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https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

I've skated two of those, same long wheelbase as the dlx twins. And I don't like the mellow tails either, the decks feel dead from the start. But they stay consistently dead feeling for the life of the deck, whatever that means...

[Xen]

I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.

Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.

And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.

Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.

Having ridden the symmetrical wave, what 10+ years ago (mystery, creature and plan b come to mind)? I figured this one, too, would pass.


If there are not enough riders asking for them and not enough selling through retail/market demand (which obviously they are selling) they're not gonna press them; If you have to get your slot at the woodshop you press the big sellers...welcome clearly slotted popsicles and eggs over twins the last two drops...


It's pretty clear crail is the only consistent group committed as we get them every drop...just scratch off maltos name

Pics are up
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck

Says twin but the dims listed say otherwise
https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/gerwer-grimple-asphalt-animals-100-twin-nose-shape-wheel-wells/black

[Easy Slider]

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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.

Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.

And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.

Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.

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https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

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I've skated two of those, same long wheelbase as the dlx twins. And I don't like the mellow tails either, the decks feel dead from the start. But they stay consistently dead feeling for the life of the deck, whatever that means...

Sorry to hear that, I ride the 8.38 and rather like it. Might cop another one.

[goodatmeth]

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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.

Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.

And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.

Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.

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https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

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I've skated two of those, same long wheelbase as the dlx twins. And I don't like the mellow tails either, the decks feel dead from the start. But they stay consistently dead feeling for the life of the deck, whatever that means...

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Sorry to hear that, I ride the 8.38 and rather like it. Might cop another one.

Just remembered, I rode the 8.38 as well and it felt kind of weird/inconsistent. When I measured it, both kicks weren't actually the same length. Like 0.1-0.2" difference. But at least the kick angles were the same at 19°.
Then I started always skating the smaller kick as the tail and lost the whole point of skating a twin. That's the main reason I won't get these again

[rocklobster]

Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.

Glider and Control do twin shapes but they aren't mass produced, I rode a few Control twin nose samples and they felt middle of the road, didn't have the snap of a BBS nor the stiffness of a DSM. It was a shame because the dimensions on paper sounded appealing (8.5 x 32 x 14.25) but something about the tips felts shorter than I liked, maybe it was too boxy.

Glider still does twin tails I think his decks are from China. The dimensions are closer to Ishod's twin tail which I'm not a fan of.

[Xen]

Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.

Glider and Control do twin shapes but they aren't mass produced, I rode a few Control twin nose samples and they felt middle of the road, didn't have the snap of a BBS nor the stiffness of a DSM. It was a shame because the dimensions on paper sounded appealing (8.5 x 32 x 14.25) but something about the tips felts shorter than I liked, maybe it was too boxy.

Glider still does twin tails I think his decks are from China. The dimensions are closer to Ishod's twin tail which I'm not a fan of.

I almost did the same thing today (the 8.25 mcrank is sitting in a cart as you read this) and I've got the 5.6 (forged push out more than cast right?) and forged/cast plates ready to go.

[Micki Free]

Werent the foy twins 14.25 wheelbase? I rode a neen twin as well before the foy and i liked that one too i cant remember the dimensions though.

[Xen]

Werent the foy twins 14.25 wheelbase? I rode a neen twin as well before the foy and i liked that one too i cant remember the dimensions though.

Yep both the foy and neen were 14.25 wb (Foy is listed as 14.28 but it isn't); good luck getting them tho, the neen hasn't been available forever (and was really 8.125 not the listed 8.25, I rode three) there are a few foy's out there from the last drop (the Gator graphic) if you know where to look but it's less than 8.

[Xen]

Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.

I'm with you! Some un-skated 5.6 lites on hand, tho very tempted to use my 5.8 hollow hangers instead.
 


I really like the toy machine twin (8.5") but I'm feeling the weight of and width of it for some things.

Pretty sure this won't help, and only feed the madness. But if it works it's nice to know getting one is easier than other brands.

[Xen]

I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'


WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.

I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho

I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".

Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).

[rocklobster]

I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'


WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.

I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho

I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".

Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).

Yeah I'm sold, mine should be arriving next week and I'm due or a deck refresh. Should give me enough time to figure out truck madness (5.6 or 5..

[OhioGuy]

Saw those Ishod Cat decks on Tactics for a day lol. Should’ve grabbed a green one. They use to always have them in stock, not the graphic, but the others. Guess Real are making less of them.

[Pasta Monster]

Ishod TTs are going to come in 8.75” starting with one of the spring drops.

[Xen]

Ishod TTs are going to come in 8.75” starting with one of the spring drops.

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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".

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Where?

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Tactics has them up.

No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.


https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck


SPECS
SIZE   8.75
LENGTH (IN):   32.61
WHEELBASE (IN):   14.68
NOSE (IN):   6.8
TAIL (IN):   6.8

They're already out!

Saw those Ishod Cat decks on Tactics for a day lol. Should’ve grabbed a green one. They use to always have them in stock, not the graphic, but the others. Guess Real are making less of them.

If you are eyeing the 8.75 I'd grab it quick, my guess is those are going to go fast...not that the others don't too.

[Xen]

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I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'


WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.

I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho

I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".

Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).

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Yeah I'm sold, mine should be arriving next week and I'm due or a deck refresh. Should give me enough time to figure out truck madness (5.6 or 5..

Good luck with that ;0 Coming off 8.5/149s I went straight to the 5.6s, disassembled my 5.8s to help me 'stay away' - I really liked how grabby the 5.6s/V5 shape wheel were on front crooks tho.

[Frank and Fred]

I think Tactics took them down for some reason. Maybe the posted them too soon?

Anyway, you can still pre-order the new Ishod from Cal Skate including the 8.75"

https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order

[OhioGuy]

I think Tactics took them down for some reason. Maybe the posted them too soon?

Anyway, you can still pre-order the new Ishod from Cal Skate including the 8.75"

https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order

They're back up now:

https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck

This 8.75 is tempting, but that 14.68 wheelbase 😳

[Ant]

That wheelbase is very tempting. I'm looking for something to put Ace classic 55s on. I'd probably have to lose the graphic though.

[Frank and Fred]

Same. i have the 8.5" on order. Plan to use AF1 55s and get to sliding pretty quick.

[hiljentaa]

Primitive, give us the 8.125 twins already!!!

[Fast_Freddie]

FYI New DLX Spring 24 now available for skateshops to place orders through most distributors... I had my local order x5 Ishod cat scratch glitter 8.0 twins to last until the next release...

https://www.awhsales.com/new-arrivals

[Xen]

I'm assuming it's taking time to get it just right, with input from lots of team riders that might want it; having skated a few of the 8.125s, pretty sure taking the nose shape/length and just duping it for both kicks wouldn't be ideal...the noses on them are 7.125"ish, putting two of them on it as is would push the length well past the 32.25" mark give or take (more like 32.4x); not sure that length is in prods wheelhouse.

For those looking at the 8.73 DLX and digging that WB, what are you skating and are you 7'+ tall? =)

[Frank and Fred]

Well after watching Ben DeGros skate Chris Roberts' Twin paddle on 161s and the new Jordan Trahan Static part, I bit the bullet on the Chocolate 8.5" Twin Tail Pop Secret that was only $65. 14" WB destroys my kick flips but 151s should chill things out... I need to get off Youtube and get outside but we are pretty much snowed and iced in... hopefully I'll stop online shopping at this point.

Looks like I'm all Huffers and 8.5" twin paddles for 2024.

[Xen]

Well after watching Ben DeGros skate Chris Roberts' Twin paddle on 161s and the new Jordan Trahan Static part, I bit the bullet on the Chocolate 8.5" Twin Tail Pop Secret that was only $65. 14" WB destroys my kick flips but 151s should chill things out... I need to get off Youtube and get outside but we are pretty much snowed and iced in... hopefully I'll stop online shopping at this point.

Looks like I'm all Huffers and 8.5" twin paddles for 2024.

I just finished watching that; crazy to me that it took so long for them to arrive at 8.25 w/149s as the happy medium (and considering the other twin they make at crailtap is an 8.25...)...this is Rog telling chris 'you need a big board and trucks for slappies' because he gave up flip tricks.

Knowing the two/three curb spots that crew skates on the regular, only one of them [sorta] benefits from a wide (8.75 is fine w/ 52 classics) truck and that's only IF you want to sit perfectly on top of the curb (which that crew doesn't do hardly ever if you watch their footy) or do 50/50 transfers super easy, otherwise 149s are fine as you can lock in and also roll on the top, smith and feeble and transfer out...149s and V3s ALMOST get you locked on top...almost...

161s on an 8.5 are overkill, no wonder he hates/feels flipping it just sucks...because it does...just like riding an 8" with 149s would feel like shit...that's why not many people do it, if at all.

This is where the madness lies when it comes to curb skating...some just give up flip tricks/hucking/rails/whatever for a spot/certain type of skating while others (me, crob) want to be able to do both...with one board...Dilo does it all, &&, and tons more.

Easier to lose flip tricks on a fat board with big trucks than it is to lose slappies on an 8.25 with 8.25/149s...

Sorry /madnessramble

What I found super interesting was the dims of that 8.5 being shorter - kicks and overall than the advertised 31.875 with 6.84 kicks.

[Ant]

For those looking at the 8.73 DLX and digging that WB, what are you skating and are you 7'+ tall? =)

8.5 polar with Indys. 6.5" tail.

[OhioGuy]

I'm 6'4 and prefer a 14.25 wheelbase. Don't flip my board outside of no-comply variations, but everything just feels more responsive with the smaller wheelbase.

The 8.75 is probably cool though. Part of me is afraid to try it. Because I might like it and who knows how long they'll last 😭

[Amocat]

Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.

If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.

[Frank and Fred]

Motherfuckers. I bought the Trahan pop secret twin for $65 yesterday....Oh well, that's what I get for not supporting the local...(none of my locals carry Craig)

Still way cheaper than $95....

[Micki Free]

Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.

If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.

Damn i do not need another board but that is quite a steal lol.

On another note, since a few ppl mentioned riding the twins with ventures, how do you like them overall? Ive been on thunders for years and havent ridden ventures in about 10 years, but was thinking about picking up a set for the fuck of it. Would probably get the hollow 5.6 ones with the 8.25 ishod twin for now unless i get a crail one. Too bad they dont make a 5.6 low.