Truck set ups, less popular brands edition

[rocklobster]

Whoever it was that said they had broken in their venture stock bushings after a single session - you're just getting started on breaking them in. They're harder than most stock bushings (around 94a) and it takes a while to get them to feel really good. Venture stock bushings are like the cute girl who gets straight A's still goes to church - you really have to be patient and put in some work but the payoff is great and once you get them loosened up you don't really have to worry about them.

Or you can go for her sister who has a drinking problem and a butterfly tattoo on her lower back and get a set of DLX supercush clears (88a),they're almost too loose sometimes but you don't have to put in much work to get them going. Been riding those in one of my 5.6 hollow setups and really like them so far. I'd actually recommend them over the 88a indy replacement bushings but they're not as easy to find.

I'm not sure if this is just in my head or not but with destructo stock I felt like they hardened up quite a bit when it was cold out. I skate D2 so I'm not sure if it's the same with the barrel bottoms but last time I skated them ir it was like 20° and I had to loosen them up like over a full turn to get them to feel right. If anyone wants a good non-bones aftermarket for the D2,Film bushings fit almost perfectly.

Great description. Venture bushing are really hard, I rode them again today and I had the trucks wobbly loose, I could hear them rattle as I pushed but the turn still wasn't where I wanted them to be. Not a deal breaker for me, pinch and pop rank higher for me.

[jay_nev]

The 94a green supercush bushings any different than the stock?

[ILikeToMilkDucks]

^^^ Yeah I'm gonna break the bushings in a bit before I say much about the trucks. I have some soft ace bushings so I can just throw in the soft bottom bushings from there and see if that's loose enough, or if I want looser.

Edit: also the pivot cups on my pair of D1 mags don't stick out or anything weird either, they must have fixed that.

I think you're right about the pivot cups. Looking at the stock photos on the Destructo website/IG, all the older ones very visibly have the quirk. But none of the new ones do at all. Maybe they're using harder material? Good stuff either way.

[sketchyrider]

Two things, I got to push around with some homies and use the destructos for like 20 minutes, and I rode my buddies theeves (v2 I think?) and I kept feeling like I was gonna tip onto two wheels whenever I tried to turn deep.

Was there a big change from V1 -> V2 -> V3? Because turning on those trucks just felt off, they had some new-ish bones medium bushings and were just tightened up to the point the nut was flush with the kingpin so nothing weird about them. Any idea? Maybe it's just me.

I personally found the v2's much turnier than the v3's i had. I just ended up back on indy anyway though...

[whatsreallygood]

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^^^ Yeah I'm gonna break the bushings in a bit before I say much about the trucks. I have some soft ace bushings so I can just throw in the soft bottom bushings from there and see if that's loose enough, or if I want looser.

Edit: also the pivot cups on my pair of D1 mags don't stick out or anything weird either, they must have fixed that.

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I think you're right about the pivot cups. Looking at the stock photos on the Destructo website/IG, all the older ones very visibly have the quirk. But none of the new ones do at all. Maybe they're using harder material? Good stuff either way.

Yeah it seems like it isn't just the rail killers, the trucks seem pretty much the same except the rail killers are like, a mil lower? And the rail killers obviously have more meat on the baseplate.

[whatsreallygood]

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Two things, I got to push around with some homies and use the destructos for like 20 minutes, and I rode my buddies theeves (v2 I think?) and I kept feeling like I was gonna tip onto two wheels whenever I tried to turn deep.

Was there a big change from V1 -> V2 -> V3? Because turning on those trucks just felt off, they had some new-ish bones medium bushings and were just tightened up to the point the nut was flush with the kingpin so nothing weird about them. Any idea? Maybe it's just me.

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I personally found the v2's much turnier than the v3's i had. I just ended up back on indy anyway though...

Huh weird, cause I had a ton of trouble getting them to turn, kept tipping onto the wheels. Maybe they're V3s? Do you know a way to visually distinguish between the two?

[sketchyrider]

The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

[whatsreallygood]

The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

Thanks, unfortunately it's also a colored trucks so I can't see the cast except were things have been grinded. Bushings got swapped to some bones mediums so no clue what they were originally. I could take a photo later to show the shape, maybe that'd help? Thanks btw

[Bongwater Mojito]

Yesterday, they felt really uncomfortable and slow turning first half hour or so. I tried all kinds of configurations to loosen the bushings up (washers, no washers, super loose, etc) and still felt like there was too much of a delayed turn.

Had similar experience with my 5.5 Raws last spring. They felt completely numb for first sessions. For some reason, Leo Valls pair (2019, red bushings and hollow kingpin) did work right out of the box.

Anyway, after the bushings are broken in, the turn feels surprisingly responsive and sharp. - and I'm coming from Ace/Indy camp.

[Sundaynuggets]

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Yesterday, they felt really uncomfortable and slow turning first half hour or so. I tried all kinds of configurations to loosen the bushings up (washers, no washers, super loose, etc) and still felt like there was too much of a delayed turn.

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Had similar experience with my 5.5 Raws last spring. They felt completely numb for first sessions. For some reason, Leo Valls pair (2019, red bushings and hollow kingpin) did work right out of the box.

Anyway, after the bushings are broken in, the turn feels surprisingly responsive and sharp. - and I'm coming from Ace/Indy camp.

Nice, yeah, I few days in on the Bones soft bushings and these trucks turn really nicely now. When the weather warms up I’ll probably throw the stock bushings back in and break them in a bit. The more I ride these, the more I’m liking them

[whatsreallygood]

Damn hearing all the good film stuff makes me wish they made a 5.75 size, and had a version without the 6 hole baseplate

[satan]

Theeve 5.85 impossible to find in the states? CSX or TIAX?
Theeve wants $35 for shipping and I think they're only 30mins from me!

[whatsreallygood]

Theeve 5.85 impossible to find in the states? CSX or TIAX?
Theeve wants $35 for shipping and I think they're only 30mins from me!

If you want lighter weight tiax, you can also get csx hollows but the tiax are 4 bucks more for a lighter and simultaneously stronger truck. Are there really no 5.85 easily available?

[Sativa Lung]

The 94a green supercush bushings any different than the stock?

Haven't actually tried them but I've always thought the Venture stocks felt similar to 92a krux so the supercush might be slightly harder. When I asked DLX about the Venture stocks they just said they're all the same and "around 94a" so I'm not sure if that means. Either way I don't think it would be a huge difference, if any difference at all.

I wasn't really overly impressed with supercush the first time I got them, but that was the 90a and I put them in indys. They felt pretty much the same as the old stock indys, which is to say not as good as the new stock indy. I ordered the 88a basically just to get to the free shipping mark (and because I thought clear bushings looked kind of cool) but I figured I'd give them a try since I've been riding my 5.6 hollows looser and looser lately and bam, loved them.

[Xen]

The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

With the winged hanger tweak (to keep them from bending ala ACE, with their similar hanger design) the geo definitely took a hit somehow.

The last time I rode some TIh the difference was pretty noticeable (ended up selling them off on ebay for more than I paid

V1/2:





V3



ACE and Tih

[satan]

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Theeve 5.85 impossible to find in the states? CSX or TIAX?
Theeve wants $35 for shipping and I think they're only 30mins from me!

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If you want lighter weight tiax, you can also get csx hollows but the tiax are 4 bucks more for a lighter and simultaneously stronger truck. Are there really no 5.85 easily available?

I forgot about the hollows. Thanks. They're lighter than the tiax? How funny. Tbh looking at the weight and price I'm good with csx.
It's pretty easy to find the smaller sizes, only seen 1 shop with 5.5 and 6.5, no 5.85's. But I've only looked at the usual places and google searches..
Places with the smaller sizes looked like they were clearing them out at sale prices.
https://theevetrucks.com $35 shipping?

http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/search/label/Theeve%20V3 just fyi..

[Xen]

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Theeve 5.85 impossible to find in the states? CSX or TIAX?
Theeve wants $35 for shipping and I think they're only 30mins from me!

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If you want lighter weight tiax, you can also get csx hollows but the tiax are 4 bucks more for a lighter and simultaneously stronger truck. Are there really no 5.85 easily available?

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I forgot about the hollows. Thanks. They're lighter than the tiax? How funny. Tbh looking at the weight and price I'm good with csx.
It's pretty easy to find the smaller sizes, only seen 1 shop with 5.5 and 6.5, no 5.85's. But I've only looked at the usual places and google searches..
Places with the smaller sizes looked like they were clearing them out at sale prices.
https://theevetrucks.com $35 shipping?

http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/search/label/Theeve%20V3 just fyi..

That's not what he's saying:

 "but the tiax are 4 bucks more for a lighter and simultaneously stronger truck."

Fuck paying $35 shipping that's another set of trucks...

[whatsreallygood]

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The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

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With the winged hanger tweak (to keep them from bending ala ACE, with their similar hanger design) the geo definitely took a hit somehow.

The last time I rode some TIh the difference was pretty noticeable (ended up selling them off on ebay for more than I paid

Thanks for the info. I realized they're V2's. You can tell by the hanger yoke

Here's a V2 with a more "square" and less open yoke:




And here's the V3 with the wider, more venture like (I guess?) yoke:





Also the kingpins were a little loose since the trucks are old and worn. I wonder if that's significantly affecting the turn and why I had trouble with it? But I don't have a regular set of theeves to properly compare with. Good to know the V2s turn pretty much the same as V3 with a little more turn, thanks.

[whatsreallygood]

Any European pals know about "Iron trucks"?

They're under the same distro as jart apparently:
https://store.hlcdist.com/shop-by-brand/iron-trucks

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Iron-Silver-Skateboard-Truck-Single/dp/B07W8ST1T2/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=iron+skateboard+trucks&qid=1583350452&sr=8-6

They look... fine? They seem like the trucks used on jart completes



They claim to be the only "made in Europe" truck (but aren't polster and film European made?). The only thing I could find on these was a french guy saying they stick when they turn:



I feel like if they were good, we'd here about them like with film, but I'm just curious if anyone knows anything about them.

[jimgrude]

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The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

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Would you happen to know if the weight changed at all from V2 to V3?

[Xen]

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The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

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With the winged hanger tweak (to keep them from bending ala ACE, with their similar hanger design) the geo definitely took a hit somehow.

The last time I rode some TIh the difference was pretty noticeable (ended up selling them off on ebay for more than I paid

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Thanks for the info. I realized they're V2's. You can tell by the hanger yoke

Here's a V2 with a more "square" and less open yoke:




And here's the V3 with the wider, more venture like (I guess?) yoke:





Also the kingpins were a little loose since the trucks are old and worn. I wonder if that's significantly affecting the turn and why I had trouble with it? But I don't have a regular set of theeves to properly compare with. Good to know the V2s turn pretty much the same as V3 with a little more turn, thanks.

Never noticed that yoke change, nice spot.

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The hangar design, and casting are different on v3's. On the v2's the casting seems smoother and also a slightly duller color, the v3's have more luster to them but more of a dimpled texture. The hangers on the v3's seem more curved, where the v2's are more straight.

Also if its not using the bones bushings, but their newer white bushings, that's a sure sign its a v3.

I wouldn't say the geometry was night and day different, but the v3's definitely seemed slightly less turny.

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Would you happen to know if the weight changed at all from V2 to V3?

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If it did, I can't imagine it being that much at all and certainly as much as V1-V2 when they beefed up the hanger with the old school thunder-like wings.

[whatsreallygood]

^^^
Theeve has claimed that each revision has gotten lighter. V3's, while looking chunkier, have more metal shaved off in various spots to reduce the overall weight. I dunno if that's the actually case cause the V1's are as skinny as ace but they're not heavy trucks to begin with. Tiax are the best value in terms of weight and strength.

I really want to try some V3's. I thought trying my buddies V2's would give me a good idea of how theeves feel, especially since V2's apparently turn a bit better than V3's, but I'm not sure if the loose kingpins are throwing the whole thing off because it's so easy to just tip over and balance on 2 wheels when trying to turn hard. I don't remember them turning like that when I rode them, but I dunno if a loose kingpin can throw off the turn that much. I think I'm just gonna have to nut up and get a pair myself if my ATGs break again.

[rocklobster]

Got a pair of these Tensors 5.25 Maglight from a setup I got 2nd hand, whole thing costs me $40. The trucks are super light and very low, these only extend WB by 3", I assumed it would be around 3.125" like the ATG ones. Either way, snazzy looking truck!

[whatsreallygood]

^^^ How are the "old" tensors? I just remember then breaking easily, turning bad and overall being a subpar truck besides being light as fuck


I looked up "crail" trucks, honestly they look really good, at least aesthetically. They don't look like a budget truck you'd put on a complete skateboard, like those iron trucks I posted earlier, or industrial trucks which look like indys with the kingpin sticking up higher. They have their own look:




I don't know Portuguese though so I can't really look up or read anything about them. I noticed the basteplate doesn't stick out as much as other trucks, kinda like thunders, but not as bad, it looks like the wb isn't as pushed out too so you wouldn't have that slide issue, though you could grind into the pivot cub a bit faster maybe? The sizing is a bit weird, for example they have a 146 (8.45 axle) and a 149 (8.55 axle). Honestly out of all the "unknown" truck brands, these are the only ones that look decent to me that I'd be down to try. I'm also semi curious about those iron trucks but they look weird and seem like they're mainly for Jart completes.

[moonordie]

^
Anything coming from Brazil, skate products wise, usually suck.

[whatsreallygood]

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Anything coming from Brazil, skate products wise, usually suck.

I have no knowledge of Brazilian skate product quality so I can't say. The trucks look fine, but I've got no way to find a review or specific info I can understand. I did find this on YT:


And from what I could glean off his expressions he seemed to like them. But I've got no idea, I just think they look good so I'm curious really

[moonordie]

I have knowledge regarding Brazilian product. Rip offs and shitty quality, and then is good quality shit is ultra expensive so it doesn't make any sense.

[whatsreallygood]

I have knowledge regarding Brazilian product. Rip offs and shitty quality, and then is good quality shit is ultra expensive so it doesn't make any sense.

Huh, is 90 Brazilian dollars (around 20 bucks after conversion) considered cheap or expensive relative to that part of the world? That's how much those crails seem to go for

[moonordie]

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I have knowledge regarding Brazilian product. Rip offs and shitty quality, and then is good quality shit is ultra expensive so it doesn't make any sense.

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Huh, is 90 Brazilian dollars Real (around 20 bucks after conversion) considered cheap or expensive relative to that part of the world? That's how much those crails seem to go for

[whatsreallygood]

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I have knowledge regarding Brazilian product. Rip offs and shitty quality, and then is good quality shit is ultra expensive so it doesn't make any sense.

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Huh, is 90 Brazilian dollars Real (around 20 bucks after conversion) considered cheap or expensive relative to that part of the world? That's how much those crails seem to go for

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Sorry I didn't know what the currency was called, so is that cheap or expensive in Brazil?