Venture 2020

[Kaydubbb]

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Super happy on 5.8 cast hollows but all this 6.1 shorter wb talk really has me curious.

Anyone ride 8.5 on both 5.8 and 6.1 have any thoughts? Main concern is it would make flatground and flip ins weird, idk

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I'm not convinced that the wheelbase on the 6.1s is shorter like people are saying, I just double checked mine, averaged across 3 different tape measures and both sides of the axles and triple checked the decks wheelbase in case it wasn't as stated, and 3.248" is the number I kept landing on.

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cast 6.1s are shorter than hollows

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I'm measuring standard cast 6.1s, the wheelbase thread has them at 3.125".

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i dont have any cast plates but i can measure my forged later

maybe someone else with cast plates can back you up

Hopefully, my understanding was the forged plates generally lengthen the wheelbase compared to their cast counterparts. With the wheelbase thread listing 6.1 cast as 3.125" and I'm getting essentially 2.5", I'm interested to see what someone else might get.

[Mbrimson88]

Didn't realize they weren't that far off from the stocks.

I found it was about two threads difference all up, so when I tightened them down so I had two threads showing, they felt like the usual stock bushings with the kingpin nut flush.

From this, I could either loosen them off some to make them easier for very small light weight bodies - kids or adults alike - or put them on boards that had the truck grinded down a long way, kingpin usually also worn down some, so they could still skate well and not have the nut getting smashed or unable to tighten them down enough.

Both options were pretty decent and worked well for anyone who either needed softer bushings or more turn, or had very well worn trucks.


Sorry I probably already said that before too, but for people who buy them and set them up so the kingpin nut is flush and then say they are too loose, I agree with you as they are crazy like that, but those bushings sure do work well when down a bit lower, especially on  other brand trucks that do need a bit more clearance right from go (no truck brand names to mention) or some I even take a bit off the kingpin, as I did on some old low versions of certain trucks and they skated much better after that.

[Xen]

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Didn't realize they weren't that far off from the stocks.

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I found it was about two threads difference all up, so when I tightened them down so I had two threads showing, they felt like the usual stock bushings with the kingpin nut flush.

From this, I could either loosen them off some to make them easier for very small light weight bodies - kids or adults alike - or put them on boards that had the truck grinded down a long way, kingpin usually also worn down some, so they could still skate well and not have the nut getting smashed or unable to tighten them down enough.

Both options were pretty decent and worked well for anyone who either needed softer bushings or more turn, or had very well worn trucks.


Sorry I probably already said that before too, but for people who buy them and set them up so the kingpin nut is flush and then say they are too loose, I agree with you as they are crazy like that, but those bushings sure do work well when down a bit lower, especially on  other brand trucks that do need a bit more clearance right from go (no truck brand names to mention) or some I even take a bit off the kingpin, as I did on some old low versions of certain trucks and they skated much better after that.

Yea, you can't go nut flush with a low top...anyone trying to do that doesn't understand how trucks/bushings are supposed to work (it's like cranking down a soft bushing, we see you Bam, instead of swapping out for a harder (or softer) duro depending on weight...with the proper duro for your weight you can usually stay nut flush and get your desired feel.

Usually, I use(d) ACE (or the NFG, RIP) low tops in my ventures - it does work wonders...these days I'm trying to skate a but tighter so I just stay stock with a flat washer.

[In A Jar]

Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

[Mbrimson88]

Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

I guess it is all DLX, so maybe he broke some and couldn't get Thunders, so riding Venture is still ok.


Maybe easier to screen shot like this:







*** Actually just joking to someone else about him trying the Ventures with the Koston baseplate hole change and when I zooned in I could see he was doing that.

[Mbrimson88]

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A bit hard to get a good pic, but yes you can clearly see they are Ventures.

[Xen]

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Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

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I guess it is all DLX, so maybe he broke some and couldn't get Thunders, so riding Venture is still ok.

Maybe easier to screen shot like this:


*** Actually just joking to someone else about him trying the Ventures with the Koston baseplate hole change and when I zooned in I could see he was doing that.

He [usually] rides the 14.4 WB + Thunders...riding ventures, double drilled, pulls them into thunder WB territory? Is that the logic?

I'd bet good money that a double drilled venture would sell really well provided they were durable.

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Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

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I guess it is all DLX, so maybe he broke some and couldn't get Thunders, so riding Venture is still ok.

Maybe easier to screen shot like this:


*** Actually just joking to someone else about him trying the Ventures with the Koston baseplate hole change and when I zooned in I could see he was doing that.

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He [usually] rides the 14.4 WB + Thunders...riding ventures, double drilled, pulls them into thunder WB territory? Is that the logic?

I'd bet good money that a double drilled venture would sell really well provided they were durable.

i’d buy some

[Banned from the room]

Didn't realize they weren't that far off from the stocks.

They made alterations I think. Before the package said 1mm.

This could be good because it's less non biodegradables. Less money to produce.
If they could pull this off across the bloard it'd be good for both bland and planet.

And me. I like green short tops.

Tight trucks people will get 2 more threads tops. It'll still be similar.

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Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

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I guess it is all DLX, so maybe he broke some and couldn't get Thunders, so riding Venture is still ok.

Maybe easier to screen shot like this:


*** Actually just joking to someone else about him trying the Ventures with the Koston baseplate hole change and when I zooned in I could see he was doing that.

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He [usually] rides the 14.4 WB + Thunders...riding ventures, double drilled, pulls them into thunder WB territory? Is that the logic?

I'd bet good money that a double drilled venture would sell really well provided they were durable.

anybody want to take a guess on where the new holes are, in relation to the old holes? can’t be that hard to diy, right?

[Mbrimson88]

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Ishod skating Ventures on his story.  No idea how to link or embed a story

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I guess it is all DLX, so maybe he broke some and couldn't get Thunders, so riding Venture is still ok.

Maybe easier to screen shot like this:

*** Actually just joking to someone else about him trying the Ventures with the Koston baseplate hole change and when I zooned in I could see he was doing that.

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He [usually] rides the 14.4 WB + Thunders...riding ventures, double drilled, pulls them into thunder WB territory? Is that the logic?

I'd bet good money that a double drilled venture would sell really well provided they were durable.

anybody want to take a guess on where the new holes are, in relation to the old holes? can’t be that hard to diy, right?

From the old six hole Venture baseplates I tried on a board in the other holes, which worked really well on a steeper 8.38 with 14.5 wb board, they were 3/8" difference to the new hole pattern.

Whether these are drilled the same or even just a 1/4" from the old holes, which would still work, that would bring in the wheelbase 1/2" or more, which would make most usually longer wb boards on any other trucks feel even more turny and shorter on Ventures.

Way shorter wb than on Thunders with their normal drilled baseplates when lined up with the same board with Thunders too, even with Ishod's custom trucks, with the two top bushings on each truck as he used to run on his setups, to bring in the wb on Thunders - not sure if Ishod still did this, but that was his go to as per his board setup from the Nine Club video a while back.

Curious to see / hear more any which way.

[FrenchSkater]

Strange for ishod because he released a video for thunder trucks not so long ago.. (about a week if i remember)

[Mbrimson88]

Strange for ishod because he released a video for thunder trucks not so long ago.. (about a week if i remember)

But Thunder and Venture trucks are both out of Deluxe Distribution in SF so if it was a case of "We need some people to test these Venture baseplate options" then I am thinking he would be a very good candidate for the job.

It is all in house, so no issue with him trying them, or even riding them more than a bit anyway, compared to a rival company with someone else riding Indy or Ace who are through other distros.


Honestly though, that redrilling of the baseplate could be the game changer for Venture, so I wonder if they might actually bring some out more with the mid baseplate hole options, like Thunder, more so than very offset to the inside, which then pushes the truck out the furtherest of all truck brands (or main ones anyway).

Sure there might be some push back from some skater, but the option to ride a whole lot more "normal" or longer boards / wheelbases might open up their interest a lot more too.


They were really a whole lot better for me when I tried some old six hole baseplates, just having the end bolts through the last two holes and having a bit of a skate like that.

From December 2022:

[theloniousmonk]

It sounds crazy, but if these came out you could use the  long wheelbase on the nose and the smaller option on the tail, To give a longer tail.
Or vice versa, for a longer nose.
It almost seems like too many options to people who don’t pay too close attention to this stuff, but I would love it. It would open up a lot of decks

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for me, ventures work with everything deck wise, to the extent that if a board feels off to me, then i know it’s just the board. as opposed to ace, where i need all
of the stars to align.
so the dbl drilled baseplates wouldn’t be about different decks, but just trying out the different angles for pop.

what is the smallest change possible, i wonder?
with decks that chem-tool recommended something like 3/8, but that’s waaaaay too much.

[Mbrimson88]

It sounds crazy, but if these came out you could use the  long wheelbase on the nose and the smaller option on the tail, To give a longer tail.
Or vice versa, for a longer nose.
It almost seems like too many options to people who don’t pay too close attention to this stuff, but I would love it. It would open up a lot of decks

for me, ventures work with everything deck wise, to the extent that if a board feels off to me, then i know it’s just the board. as opposed to ace, where i need all
of the stars to align.
so the dbl drilled baseplates wouldn’t be about different decks, but just trying out the different angles for pop.

what is the smallest change possible, i wonder?
with decks that chem-tool recommended something like 3/8, but that’s waaaaay too much.

The Chem tool had two options, firstly the 3/8" apart for one version and then 1/4" apart for another, so in metal 1/4" might work well, or even just setting it up for yourself with a market pen and looking at it to see what might look ok.

The other old trucks of any variety and current wider Indy six hole baseplates are 3/8" apart, so when trying that option it definitely made the kicks feel a lot more comfortable for me, so yes you could do one, or the other, or both.

I wonder if the Fuckwithyourtrucks guy has any experience redrilling baseplates.  Anyone tried recently?

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It sounds crazy, but if these came out you could use the  long wheelbase on the nose and the smaller option on the tail, To give a longer tail.
Or vice versa, for a longer nose.
It almost seems like too many options to people who don’t pay too close attention to this stuff, but I would love it. It would open up a lot of decks

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for me, ventures work with everything deck wise, to the extent that if a board feels off to me, then i know it’s just the board. as opposed to ace, where i need all
of the stars to align.
so the dbl drilled baseplates wouldn’t be about different decks, but just trying out the different angles for pop.

what is the smallest change possible, i wonder?
with decks that chem-tool recommended something like 3/8, but that’s waaaaay too much.

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The Chem tool had two options, firstly the 3/8" apart for one version and then 1/4" apart for another, so in metal 1/4" might work well, or even just setting it up for yourself with a market pen and looking at it to see what might look ok.

The other old trucks of any variety and current wider Indy six hole baseplates are 3/8" apart, so when trying that option it definitely made the kicks feel a lot more comfortable for me, so yes you could do one, or the other, or both.

I wonder if the Fuckwithyourtrucks guy has any experience redrilling baseplates.  Anyone tried recently?

thanks for info
i haven’t tried, but now very curious.
surprised that a 3/8 modification provided decent results!

[munchbox]

double drilled baseplate for the tail doesnt sound half bad
definitely unnecessary but would be interesting

[Mbrimson88]

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It sounds crazy, but if these came out you could use the  long wheelbase on the nose and the smaller option on the tail, To give a longer tail.
Or vice versa, for a longer nose.
It almost seems like too many options to people who don’t pay too close attention to this stuff, but I would love it. It would open up a lot of decks

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for me, ventures work with everything deck wise, to the extent that if a board feels off to me, then i know it’s just the board. as opposed to ace, where i need all
of the stars to align.
so the dbl drilled baseplates wouldn’t be about different decks, but just trying out the different angles for pop.

what is the smallest change possible, i wonder?
with decks that chem-tool recommended something like 3/8, but that’s waaaaay too much.

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The Chem tool had two options, firstly the 3/8" apart for one version and then 1/4" apart for another, so in metal 1/4" might work well, or even just setting it up for yourself with a market pen and looking at it to see what might look ok.

The other old trucks of any variety and current wider Indy six hole baseplates are 3/8" apart, so when trying that option it definitely made the kicks feel a lot more comfortable for me, so yes you could do one, or the other, or both.

I wonder if the Fuckwithyourtrucks guy has any experience redrilling baseplates.  Anyone tried recently?

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thanks for info
i haven’t tried, but now very curious.
surprised that a 3/8 modification provided decent results!

Not a direct comparison, but moving the usual Venture truck in 3/8" on the tail on some boards can make it way too light, so it just doesn't work, but on others it made it feel more like where Ace truck axles sit, so for some it might be too light and tippy for what they are used to, but for others, it might open up a whole lot more for them in terms of longer wheelbase boards that didn't work so well before.

I guess that is the difference between drilling baseplates once, or drilling multiple boards over and over to move trucks to where you want them to sit, for people like Koston who wanted to ride Ventures but didn't want to have such a long wheelbase and didn't have the boards made for him like Chico or some others did - everything 14" wb on all his boards wasn't it?


* There are a bunch of moderately used current model Venture trucks sitting around here, so I might just have to test it and drill out a baseplate 1/4" and see how that works.  Who knows, it might feel so good I will ride Ventures now...

[munchbox]

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It sounds crazy, but if these came out you could use the  long wheelbase on the nose and the smaller option on the tail, To give a longer tail.
Or vice versa, for a longer nose.
It almost seems like too many options to people who don’t pay too close attention to this stuff, but I would love it. It would open up a lot of decks

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for me, ventures work with everything deck wise, to the extent that if a board feels off to me, then i know it’s just the board. as opposed to ace, where i need all
of the stars to align.
so the dbl drilled baseplates wouldn’t be about different decks, but just trying out the different angles for pop.

what is the smallest change possible, i wonder?
with decks that chem-tool recommended something like 3/8, but that’s waaaaay too much.

[close]

The Chem tool had two options, firstly the 3/8" apart for one version and then 1/4" apart for another, so in metal 1/4" might work well, or even just setting it up for yourself with a market pen and looking at it to see what might look ok.

The other old trucks of any variety and current wider Indy six hole baseplates are 3/8" apart, so when trying that option it definitely made the kicks feel a lot more comfortable for me, so yes you could do one, or the other, or both.

I wonder if the Fuckwithyourtrucks guy has any experience redrilling baseplates.  Anyone tried recently?

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thanks for info
i haven’t tried, but now very curious.
surprised that a 3/8 modification provided decent results!

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Not a direct comparison, but moving the usual Venture truck in 3/8" on the tail on some boards can make it way too light, so it just doesn't work, but on others it made it feel more like where Ace truck axles sit, so for some it might be too light and tippy for what they are used to, but for others, it might open up a whole lot more for them in terms of longer wheelbase boards that didn't work so well before.

I guess that is the difference between drilling baseplates once, or drilling multiple boards over and over to move trucks to where you want them to sit, for people like Koston who wanted to ride Ventures but didn't want to have such a long wheelbase and didn't have the boards made for him like Chico or some others did - everything 14" wb on all his boards wasn't it?


* There are a bunch of moderately used current model Venture trucks sitting around here, so I might just have to test it and drill out a baseplate 1/4" and see how that works.  Who knows, it might feel so good I will ride Ventures now...

a quarter inch sounds ideal
you have any forged plates sitting around?
id pay to give it a spin

[Xen]

I think I'd just collapse and give up if I had double drilled plates; madness overload.

[Mbrimson88]

a quarter inch sounds ideal
you have any forged plates sitting around?
id pay to give it a spin

The funny thing is the forged plates are harder to get and more popular, so besides the distance and cost to get them there, from Australia to USA, I don't have any to spare, only a lot of normal cast Venture baseplates, then mostly 5.6 hangers, but some 5.8 and 6.1 as well.

I wonder if anyone has asked DLX about the Venture baseplates and if anyone has any thoughts on drilling them out.  I have never tried, but I am guessing it is not too hard, given the right tools and a good eye, not to mess up the bolt holes.


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* I cut up or drill out wood every other day, mess with kingpins and reshape wheels, but just never really felt the need to drill out baseplates (until now) so although I have a drill and a metal bit in 5mm, I am still a little apprehensive.

[GBLange]

Or get those fake venture on aliexpress and experiment on em..

[rocklobster]

Or get those fake venture on aliexpress and experiment on em..

A friend bought a pair and tried them out, zero turn on them while being overly glossy to the point of being an obvious fake. Didn't think it would be that hard to replicate trucks since China and 2Hex reuse the Indy Stage XI mold for their OEM brands.

[richard00800]

venture low talks, interesting

[rocklobster]

venture low talks, interesting

Much better video than the Crob one, 2 gear nerds talking fractions of inches and obsessing about griptape is what I'm here for. The industry's fallen out of love with Sewa but you can't deny his flatground skills.

[Xen]

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venture low talks, interesting

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Much better video than the Crob one, 2 gear nerds talking fractions of inches and obsessing about griptape is what I'm here for. The industry's fallen out of love with Sewa but you can't deny his flatground skills.

For sure better (Crob makes me cringe) tho Ben could have not talked over Sewa so much at times. His board dims are super interesting/odd yet make sense given his height; dude's got such good pop and control, shame he hasn't landed anywhere.

[rikki]

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venture low talks, interesting

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Much better video than the Crob one, 2 gear nerds talking fractions of inches and obsessing about griptape is what I'm here for. The industry's fallen out of love with Sewa but you can't deny his flatground skills.

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For sure better (Crob makes me cringe) tho Ben could have not talked over Sewa so much at times. His board dims are super interesting/odd yet make sense given his height; dude's got such good pop and control, shame he hasn't landed anywhere.

Noticed this as well. I mean, let the person you're interviewing talk and don't butt in with your own opinions/jokes/rhetorical landfill all the time. Especially when the guy being interviewed is just about to say something meaningful. I'm not interested about Ben's personal concave preferences when the subject matter is an interesting pro skater.

De Gros is awesome, but the L.A. sunshine might've have given him an unnecessary boost here.

[Sungam]

venture low talks, interesting

Really makes me want to try the low version now, found some with gold hardware but haven't pulled the trigger haha.

[munchbox]

lo is so damn good, they had me running 5.2 lo with a 8.5
bigger sizes is the dream