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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #240 on: March 02, 2020, 05:55:52 AM »
Missed the link. I’ll try the stocks but I orders some supercush because why not. Kinda excited trying something new

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #241 on: March 02, 2020, 06:38:58 AM »
Missed the link. I’ll try the stocks but I orders some supercush because why not. Kinda excited trying something new
which duro supercush? from where? i'm was debating the 94a but the confusion about stock being 90a or 94a just made me pump the brakes and ride what i got for now

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #242 on: March 02, 2020, 07:17:00 AM »


I’ve been riding these 5.8’s mainly just cruising the neighborhood and messing around in front of the house with my daughter. The bushings are getting nice and broken in now. Ace 55s with the axle nut basically flush (turned down just a smidge) is my go to and I have zero complaints about how these Ventures feel now.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #243 on: March 02, 2020, 07:22:26 AM »
Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #244 on: March 02, 2020, 07:39:44 AM »
Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #245 on: March 02, 2020, 08:19:32 AM »
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Missed the link. I’ll try the stocks but I orders some supercush because why not. Kinda excited trying something new
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which duro supercush? from where? i'm was debating the 94a but the confusion about stock being 90a or 94a just made me pump the brakes and ride what i got for now
I went with the 97a purple on amazon because I have a gift card but also saw that plus Skateshop had them. Didn’t have the 94 in stock.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #246 on: March 02, 2020, 08:38:14 AM »
Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
I ride a short board but hopefully the cast doesn’t hurt me as much as the lights would

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #247 on: March 02, 2020, 08:49:06 AM »
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Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
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I ride a short board but hopefully the cast doesn’t hurt me as much as the lights would

It was a dwindle which I was reminded today have really short boards. 3.15 to 3.25 trucks should be ok on most short boards, but this will be my last dwindle board for a long while.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #248 on: March 02, 2020, 08:57:31 AM »
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Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
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I ride a short board but hopefully the cast doesn’t hurt me as much as the lights would
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It was a dwindle which I was reminded today have really short boards. 3.15 to 3.25 trucks should be ok on most short boards, but this will be my last dwindle board for a long while.
Also wonder how the tail steepness affects it. Dwindle does a fair amount or steep kicks don’t they? I remember looking for a mellow kick/concave and not finding one

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #249 on: March 02, 2020, 10:33:34 AM »
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Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
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I ride a short board but hopefully the cast doesn’t hurt me as much as the lights would
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It was a dwindle which I was reminded today have really short boards. 3.15 to 3.25 trucks should be ok on most short boards, but this will be my last dwindle board for a long while.
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Also wonder how the tail steepness affects it. Dwindle does a fair amount or steep kicks don’t they? I remember looking for a mellow kick/concave and not finding one

Almost all Almost decks have steep kicks/mellow concave - they do break it up tho -you have to sort through the brands, e.g., Blind have way more Steep/FULL concave than the rest, Darkstar has the most variety out of the brands.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #250 on: March 02, 2020, 01:28:07 PM »
Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.

Interesting bottom washer/"bushing cup"... is this something made by a skate company? Or did you have to source them from a hardware place like FastenAll or Macmaster Carr?
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #251 on: March 02, 2020, 02:28:53 PM »
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #252 on: March 02, 2020, 02:38:51 PM »
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Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.
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Interesting bottom washer/"bushing cup"... is this something made by a skate company? Or did you have to source them from a hardware place like FastenAll or Macmaster Carr?

Hey, it is sort of a skate company (*cough* longboard...) it’s this https://holyboardshop.com/vital-precision-flat-washer-25mm? part, flat, no cup  :)

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #253 on: March 02, 2020, 03:01:52 PM »
Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.

 Really trying not to try Ventures but damn you that photo is some truck porn.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #254 on: March 02, 2020, 04:57:31 PM »
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Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.
[close]

Interesting bottom washer/"bushing cup"... is this something made by a skate company? Or did you have to source them from a hardware place like FastenAll or Macmaster Carr?
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Hey, it is sort of a skate company (*cough* longboard...) it’s this https://holyboardshop.com/vital-precision-flat-washer-25mm? part, flat, no cup  :)
Yep. Kooky kooky longboard stuff but interesting..
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/hardware/all/washers Array washers..

http://www.sk8kings.com Used to sell a machined top washer too. I think it was aluminum and made by Oust. Seemed like a freestyler thing to help with super tight trucks. Nla now


https://www.mcmaster.com/92668a195 Should be similar to Bones washer
3/8" id, 3/4" od, 1/8" thick
Both sides will be ground flat and parallel to each other

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #255 on: March 02, 2020, 05:14:57 PM »
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Guys riding Ventures that stretch out WB - be aware of board length. Got a rude awakening by pairing my Venture Lo Hollow Lights with a short deck (8 x 31.6 x 14), tail ended up being way too short and I was ghost popping all way. Still liking them on a longer board (31.8) and short WB (14).
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I ride a short board but hopefully the cast doesn’t hurt me as much as the lights would
[close]

It was a dwindle which I was reminded today have really short boards. 3.15 to 3.25 trucks should be ok on most short boards, but this will be my last dwindle board for a long while.
[close]
Also wonder how the tail steepness affects it. Dwindle does a fair amount or steep kicks don’t they? I remember looking for a mellow kick/concave and not finding one
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Almost all Almost decks have steep kicks/mellow concave - they do break it up tho -you have to sort through the brands, e.g., Blind have way more Steep/FULL concave than the rest, Darkstar has the most variety out of the brands.

Darkstar and Blind have steep / Full concaves, probably didn't help the short tail to make it harder to find the pop.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #256 on: March 02, 2020, 07:14:01 PM »
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Ridin’ stock*

Only recent tweak, swapped the bottom washer out for a flat, sleeved (aka “Amish”) washer, that can’t lean over on your kingpin. Same theory as the Bones “plastic bit” but on a nice fat base.



Gives a little more “dive” from medium-tight  without messing with the geo/duro/bushing cut/stability/feel tooo much.

*fresh white stock, from another factory set.
[close]

Interesting bottom washer/"bushing cup"... is this something made by a skate company? Or did you have to source them from a hardware place like FastenAll or Macmaster Carr?
[close]

Hey, it is sort of a skate company (*cough* longboard...) it’s this https://holyboardshop.com/vital-precision-flat-washer-25mm? part, flat, no cup  :)
[close]
Yep. Kooky kooky longboard stuff but interesting..
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/hardware/all/washers Array washers..

http://www.sk8kings.com Used to sell a machined top washer too. I think it was aluminum and made by Oust. Seemed like a freestyler thing to help with super tight trucks. Nla now


https://www.mcmaster.com/92668a195 Should be similar to Bones washer
3/8" id, 3/4" od, 1/8" thick
Both sides will be ground flat and parallel to each other

Funny, I just yesterday ordered a full set for top and bottom (and I found some slim/thin nylon locknuts) to pair up with the some ace bushings on ventures. Great minds ;)

I was researching T nut and shit and came across these.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #257 on: March 05, 2020, 04:33:48 PM »
After learning venture stock bushings are actually pretty hard part me me feels like I should give them another try after swapping the bushings and pivot cups out since I don't remember swapping bushings while I skated a pair. On the other hand it'd be a bummer to go through swapping everything out and still not liking how they turn compared to something like my ATGs. I keep seeing a mix of posts of some people who say they can feel as good as ace and others who say they felt slow even after changing the washers, bushings, etc. so it's hard to tell. I do remember I got them decently broken in but I could never get them to turn as sharp/quick/deep as I liked. Dunno if I'd do the bones top washer thing since I feel like I'd accidentally hit the bushing if I fucked up a dipped grind, which I fuck up a lot. I do remember the stability and pop being nice, also I remember crooks feeling very different on them, like I was grinding the front of the truck compared to the round bit like on say an indy. Much to think about.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #258 on: March 05, 2020, 07:31:17 PM »
^^ yeah I’d agree that the ventures have a harder stock bushing than normal (at least that’s the case with my 6.1s, which I’m very happy about). However they turn nothing like Indy or ace. The pop on the other hand is incredible! These are the first ventures I’ve had since 99/2000 and the sacrifice in turn is well worth the pop upgrade in my old age haha. I also agree on the feel of crooked grinds. Not bad but definitely a bit different.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #259 on: March 05, 2020, 07:34:24 PM »
After learning venture stock bushings are actually pretty hard part me me feels like I should give them another try after swapping the bushings and pivot cups out since I don't remember swapping bushings while I skated a pair. On the other hand it'd be a bummer to go through swapping everything out and still not liking how they turn compared to something like my ATGs. I keep seeing a mix of posts of some people who say they can feel as good as ace and others who say they felt slow even after changing the washers, bushings, etc. so it's hard to tell. I do remember I got them decently broken in but I could never get them to turn as sharp/quick/deep as I liked. Dunno if I'd do the bones top washer thing since I feel like I'd accidentally hit the bushing if I fucked up a dipped grind, which I fuck up a lot. I do remember the stability and pop being nice, also I remember crooks feeling very different on them, like I was grinding the front of the truck compared to the round bit like on say an indy. Much to think about.

ATGs turn better, for sure.

But the lower Venture has better pop (for me).

These days I find that I only need trucks that 'turn' (meaning ACE, Indy, Theeve, Tensor or ML) if I'm skating bowls (which I'm trying to do less and less these days to get the street game back up to par). Thunder and Venture do just find if I'm out in the streets where swerving is more the norm than carving.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #260 on: March 05, 2020, 07:40:13 PM »
^^ yeah I’d agree that the ventures have a harder stock bushing than normal (at least that’s the case with my 6.1s, which I’m very happy about). However they turn nothing like Indy or ace. The pop on the other hand is incredible! These are the first ventures I’ve had since 99/2000 and the sacrifice in turn is well worth the pop upgrade in my old age haha. I also agree on the feel of crooked grinds. Not bad but definitely a bit different.

Thanks for the info man, You riding the hi's or lows? Honestly I never really notice how a truck pops after a sesh to get used to the them, unless I actively focus on it while doing tricks stationary. With that said I'm glad there's truck variety for people who really want that.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #261 on: March 05, 2020, 08:01:55 PM »
They’re high, don’t think they make a 6.1 low. I just posted in the truck wb thread, but I’ll reiterate here. The effective axle wb on my previous black label 8.75, 14.5 wb with ace 55 is the same as my current primitive 8.6, 14wb with venture 6.1. That being said the turn on the ventures is more of a lean than a carve, however the pop really takes off when you snap the tail.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #262 on: March 05, 2020, 08:21:02 PM »
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After learning venture stock bushings are actually pretty hard part me me feels like I should give them another try after swapping the bushings and pivot cups out since I don't remember swapping bushings while I skated a pair. On the other hand it'd be a bummer to go through swapping everything out and still not liking how they turn compared to something like my ATGs. I keep seeing a mix of posts of some people who say they can feel as good as ace and others who say they felt slow even after changing the washers, bushings, etc. so it's hard to tell. I do remember I got them decently broken in but I could never get them to turn as sharp/quick/deep as I liked. Dunno if I'd do the bones top washer thing since I feel like I'd accidentally hit the bushing if I fucked up a dipped grind, which I fuck up a lot. I do remember the stability and pop being nice, also I remember crooks feeling very different on them, like I was grinding the front of the truck compared to the round bit like on say an indy. Much to think about.
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ATGs turn better, for sure.

But the lower Venture has better pop (for me).

These days I find that I only need trucks that 'turn' (meaning ACE, Indy, Theeve, Tensor or ML) if I'm skating bowls (which I'm trying to do less and less these days to get the street game back up to par). Thunder and Venture do just find if I'm out in the streets where swerving is more the norm than carving.

Thanks for the info as well, always appreciated, I think this solves my dilemma. I guess I just never notice the pop stuff as much as other people, like I skated my buddies thunders then went back to my setup didn't really notice the pop difference, but every time I tried to turn with his setup, even on his broken bushings, I kept tipping the board onto two wheels or wheelbiting. I think I have a bias for turny trucks cause I usually skate this kinda shit prefab near my place where everything is really close together, so everyone rides loose or tic tacks a ton to be able to do any sort of line, thus said bias. I honestly never skate bowl, I just wanna be able to skate lines at my shitty park lol

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #263 on: March 05, 2020, 08:30:51 PM »
They’re high, don’t think they make a 6.1 low. I just posted in the truck wb thread, but I’ll reiterate here. The effective axle wb on my previous black label 8.75, 14.5 wb with ace 55 is the same as my current primitive 8.6, 14wb with venture 6.1. That being said the turn on the ventures is more of a lean than a carve, however the pop really takes off when you snap the tail.

Thanks again for the info. Yeah lean is usually what bugs me with trucks so this is good to know. I try not to worry about wb too much since the wb on boards in the size I like are usually around 14.5, maybe 14.25 at the lowest if it's available. But it sounds like my overall setup wb would be uber wide if I went to venture on around a 14.5 wb which I might actually notice and not be into. Maybe I'll try a buddies setup again and see if I can really notice pop feel for once

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #264 on: March 06, 2020, 04:21:56 AM »
Just got the Bobby 5.8 his. What's the consensus on bushings? Stock or aftermarket?
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #265 on: March 06, 2020, 09:32:15 AM »
Just got the Bobby 5.8 his. What's the consensus on bushings? Stock or aftermarket?

Seems to be more on stock than aftermarket (I didn't like stocks).

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #266 on: March 06, 2020, 09:50:00 AM »
I tried indy stocks, bones, and a couple combos with different washers/no washer.

They felt best stock, they'll never be carvy. but they turn. they remind me of that slow turn of stage 10 Indys when they do feel turny. once you get them super loose you kill the stability that makes them good trucks though.

I'm saving mine for summer when the 90+ degree weather turns my bushings into mush in the trunk on the way to the park, I'm sure they'll feel awesome. but these 30-40 degree days haven't done me any favors with any trucks let alone dlx trucks that like to be stock and don't turn good when it's cold. Indys and ace for winter because they still kind of turn okay when they freeze up.


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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #267 on: March 06, 2020, 10:04:45 AM »
^^ yeah I’d agree that the ventures have a harder stock bushing than normal (at least that’s the case with my 6.1s, which I’m very happy about). However they turn nothing like Indy or ace. The pop on the other hand is incredible! These are the first ventures I’ve had since 99/2000 and the sacrifice in turn is well worth the pop upgrade in my old age haha. I also agree on the feel of crooked grinds. Not bad but definitely a bit different.

With your hands on the wall extended arms mark the floor
Put your board there parallel to the wall.
Stand on the rail and rock back and forth touching your nose and tail to the wall always returning to the centered mark on the floor.

Mark where your nose and tail touched the wall.

My 5.6 hi with a 14.25 wb turns exactly the same as the ace 44 with a 14.5.

Both have cracked Bones med top and stock bottom barrels

I run no thread count on the 5.6 and
Like 1.5 threads on the ace 44 1/8 riser



The ace 44 and the indy 139 and the 5.6 were all basically the same at 48 inches away from the wall.

The venture doesn't wheel bite on the manny pad ever.

The ace has a 1/8 riser so not to get wheel bite as much but you must have great balance to ride my aces on the manny pad.

The 44 and the 5.6 are my favorite trucks since the tfour dropped. Also that 3rd GK was a killer truck. G&S if you was light. Those were the first hollow truck I remember

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You got to change wheelbase and bushings to get similar effects of a different truck
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #268 on: March 06, 2020, 11:50:56 AM »
My issue would be going through all the effort of designing a setup to get these trucks to turn only to not like how they turn, when I could just use a truck I know turns on any board and be fine. Obviously I'm compromising on stability and pop but I don't notice that as much as other people I guess so my priorities vary. I also don't have any broken bushings on had so idk what I'd do there, plus I'm weary to throw bones top washers for reasons I mentioned earlier. I'm sure you can get them to turn, but if it requires already broken bushings, specific washers, and getting a new deck with a specific cap on the wb I don't think they're for me. With that said, if someone finds a dream setup with this info that'd be sick

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #269 on: March 06, 2020, 12:00:47 PM »
My issue would be going through all the effort of designing a setup to get these trucks to turn only to not like how they turn, when I could just use a truck I know turns on any board and be fine. Obviously I'm compromising on stability and pop but I don't notice that as much as other people I guess so my priorities vary. I also don't have any broken bushings on had so idk what I'd do there, plus I'm weary to throw bones top washers for reasons I mentioned earlier. I'm sure you can get them to turn, but if it requires already broken bushings, specific washers, and getting a new deck with a specific cap on the wb I don't think they're for me. With that said, if someone finds a dream setup with this info that'd be sick

ACE bushings (dual Duro) low top/Regular bottoms work amazing in Ventures, waaaay better than stock but not a small investment.