Venture 2020

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are folks doing this with the chem tool?
3/8” sounds insane to me. 1/4” seems ‘realistic’. a 3/4” change to the effective wb is just too intense

[boofactory]

I did mine through a jig I made, the Chems tool would work great.

I’d try the 1/4 hole pattern on a board with shorter wheelbase than what I’m riding currently riding.

I didn’t find the 3/8 to be too intense personally, more kick space for slides and it felt really nice on transition with the tighter wheelbase the 3/8 provides than the stock holes.

[theloniousmonk]

 I drilled the forged in3/8” and it was easy to drill. I only did it on the back truck because I wanted to experiment with a longer tail and it also gives a lower pop angle which I like as well.
I used the old indy baseplate method, I just used a couple old bolts and screwed the two plates together. It was easy and I like it a lot. It took probably 10-15 minutes total, and I’d say it’s worth it

[Unkle Fleak]

about to switch my baseplates to some forged. switched trucks and decks and now I'm having a hard time getting a good pop so I'm hoping the lower baseplate gives me a little help. currently on the real 825 easy rider from the 8.5 AH easy rider and I'm having a time getting used to it. I'm coming from ace lows so I get there's going to be a big difference but I have to be way more aware of really putting my foot down enough when I pop. also might go to 52 classics instead of 53 too

Going lower takes you further from ace land tho. Getting lower will make the board feel heavier.for sure. But it's like a halfmm.
Probably ad a 3 ply riser to makey the pop feel less DLX truck. As both venture and venture have the light switch pop feel vs ace which for me is more like doing an air off the coping feeling. Like weeeee and your bloard just comes with.

Slightly taller but skinner wheels would do it too.

You could be a candidate for the Koston mod. That would cure it instantly. You could probably use your old trucks as a guide. Get closer to the ace feel.

As is.
It's gonna take like a month but after it's not gonna be like. " I can't skate ace's anymore now that I ... You're building another skill tree limb. I almost always risers with venture. Unless I don't got hardware. At this moment I do not so no risers on the main.

[Unkle Fleak]

I know for sure tho. Getting high(er) makes the pop slower and not so boom stick

Mo like Indy lethargic. Lol

I fuckin need that shit tho. I missed it so much when I switched from old thunder lows 146? To Indy 139s in 2016. And after like a decade of only ollie's and non compliance on soft wheels too. That feeling was my everything. I fuckin studied upon it endlessly lol.

And
I rode the same pair of trucks for like 12 years. The switches had to happen. Big boards was back.  I was brought back to skatebloarding by a homie with an Indy tattoo on his hand. I had to by indys that once.

I'm so awake now I feel like I wasted my life like a skateboarding rip van winkle. Thank the darl lord for venture 2020.

[Mbrimson88]

Have you guys drilled both a cast and a forged?  Is the forged harder to drill?  I might try this at some point.   Dumb question but do you usually ride them both pushed in?  Or just the front/back truck? 

Im a bones guy so what do I know, but the flat washer and conical bushings I think make a huge difference in getting them turning.

Yes, drilled in both and they are much the same really.

At least the best thing with redrilling baseplates is you can try them in either position without much fuss - easy to try either set of holes without changing anything else, which makes it so much easier.

Personally I prefer the 1/4" distance, more so than 3/8" mainly because the holes are still centered to some degree, not completely offset so the front bolts end up with nuts getting mashed on nose or tail slides, as well as most boards I find only need or even work best with that difference, but that is up to the individual and I have drilled both options on a number of baseplates, so I could try either way just to see.

I would say those pro guys have them more at 1/4" as their bolts are still not right at the ends of the baseplates, going by the pics of their boards.


On one board, I have just the back drilled in 1/4" as the tail is shortish on the DLX 8.38, especially when it is worn down a bit, so it is fairly even as I am used to the nose as is, but the tail feels a bit more stable.

On another board I have them both in 1/4" which definitely makes for a much shorter wheelbase feel and then also a way quicker turn when leaning to one side, as others have said.

[Mbrimson88]

are folks doing this with the chem tool?
3/8” sounds insane to me. 1/4” seems ‘realistic’. a 3/4” change to the effective wb is just too intense

I did mine through a jig I made, the Chems tool would work great.

I’d try the 1/4 hole pattern on a board with shorter wheelbase than what I’m riding currently riding.

I didn’t find the 3/8 to be too intense personally, more kick space for slides and it felt really nice on transition with the tighter wheelbase the 3/8 provides than the stock holes.

I think the Chems tool is a bit hard to come by at the moment, but it would definitely help a whole lot, as I have messed up a few times and had to widen out holes or readjust when doing it freehand, just measuring and marking, then drilling.


For your own jig, did you use metal or something else?

I can't see myself drilling out too many more baseplates, but I think this would often be way easier to have a pre made option to put in the bolt holes and then drill out the other ones.

[Esmith5488]

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about to switch my baseplates to some forged. switched trucks and decks and now I'm having a hard time getting a good pop so I'm hoping the lower baseplate gives me a little help. currently on the real 825 easy rider from the 8.5 AH easy rider and I'm having a time getting used to it. I'm coming from ace lows so I get there's going to be a big difference but I have to be way more aware of really putting my foot down enough when I pop. also might go to 52 classics instead of 53 too

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Going lower takes you further from ace land tho. Getting lower will make the board feel heavier.for sure. But it's like a halfmm.
Probably ad a 3 ply riser to makey the pop feel less DLX truck. As both venture and venture have the light switch pop feel vs ace which for me is more like doing an air off the coping feeling. Like weeeee and your bloard just comes with.

Slightly taller but skinner wheels would do it too.

You could be a candidate for the Koston mod. That would cure it instantly. You could probably use your old trucks as a guide. Get closer to the ace feel.

As is.
It's gonna take like a month but after it's not gonna be like. " I can't skate ace's anymore now that I ... You're building another skill tree limb. I almost always risers with venture. Unless I don't got hardware. At this moment I do not so no risers on the main.

I think for me the issue is I feel like I’m not always hitting my tail when I pop and I think it might be since I was on a low truck. I have a little bit of time to play with it. I did miss the venture feel though and have been happy to be back besides the occasional ghost pop.

[ambiguousclarity]

I've been skating ventures the past month and playing around with different bushings. I've settled on stock bottom bushings and 94 top thunder bushings. I'm also using the thunder bottom and top washers. I'm around 78kg or 170 and find this set up suits me. Overall, I like the feel of ventures. Though curious about royals based on Xen's comments.

 

[Unkle Fleak]

I've been skating ventures the past month and playing around with different bushings. I've settled on stock bottom bushings and 94 top thunder bushings. I'm also using the thunder bottom and top washers. I'm around 78kg or 170 and find this set up suits me. Overall, I like the feel of ventures. Though curious about royals based on Xen's comments.

Yo I bet that feels amazing.

[Unkle Fleak]

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about to switch my baseplates to some forged. switched trucks and decks and now I'm having a hard time getting a good pop so I'm hoping the lower baseplate gives me a little help. currently on the real 825 easy rider from the 8.5 AH easy rider and I'm having a time getting used to it. I'm coming from ace lows so I get there's going to be a big difference but I have to be way more aware of really putting my foot down enough when I pop. also might go to 52 classics instead of 53 too

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Going lower takes you further from ace land tho. Getting lower will make the board feel heavier.for sure. But it's like a halfmm.
Probably ad a 3 ply riser to makey the pop feel less DLX truck. As both venture and venture have the light switch pop feel vs ace which for me is more like doing an air off the coping feeling. Like weeeee and your bloard just comes with.

Slightly taller but skinner wheels would do it too.

You could be a candidate for the Koston mod. That would cure it instantly. You could probably use your old trucks as a guide. Get closer to the ace feel.

As is.
It's gonna take like a month but after it's not gonna be like. " I can't skate ace's anymore now that I ... You're building another skill tree limb. I almost always risers with venture. Unless I don't got hardware. At this moment I do not so no risers on the main.

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I think for me the issue is I feel like I’m not always hitting my tail when I pop and I think it might be since I was on a low truck. I have a little bit of time to play with it. I did miss the venture feel though and have been happy to be back besides the occasional ghost pop.

Possibly. I just feel the lower to the ground the harder it'll be to push down the lever. So the pop will be faster and more aggressive. Where as tall like an 80s board it's slower and softer and takes longer to complete the trip to the ground.

I kinda miss the winter trucks feeling. The loose trucks kit feels so good frozen and fully open with intense jingles.

I love kicking down the street listening to that and seeing my breath underneath the streetlights.

Doing super long strides that wiggle on every kick. I'm pretty stoked on purps in the extreme July heat. I do got green bait and tackle I been saving. I could cut the top down to thunder size. Probably get the same feeling

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about to switch my baseplates to some forged. switched trucks and decks and now I'm having a hard time getting a good pop so I'm hoping the lower baseplate gives me a little help. currently on the real 825 easy rider from the 8.5 AH easy rider and I'm having a time getting used to it. I'm coming from ace lows so I get there's going to be a big difference but I have to be way more aware of really putting my foot down enough when I pop. also might go to 52 classics instead of 53 too

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Going lower takes you further from ace land tho. Getting lower will make the board feel heavier.for sure. But it's like a halfmm.
Probably ad a 3 ply riser to makey the pop feel less DLX truck. As both venture and venture have the light switch pop feel vs ace which for me is more like doing an air off the coping feeling. Like weeeee and your bloard just comes with.

Slightly taller but skinner wheels would do it too.

You could be a candidate for the Koston mod. That would cure it instantly. You could probably use your old trucks as a guide. Get closer to the ace feel.

As is.
It's gonna take like a month but after it's not gonna be like. " I can't skate ace's anymore now that I ... You're building another skill tree limb. I almost always risers with venture. Unless I don't got hardware. At this moment I do not so no risers on the main.

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I think for me the issue is I feel like I’m not always hitting my tail when I pop and I think it might be since I was on a low truck. I have a little bit of time to play with it. I did miss the venture feel though and have been happy to be back besides the occasional ghost pop.

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Possibly. I just feel the lower to the ground the harder it'll be to push down the lever. So the pop will be faster and more aggressive. Where as tall like an 80s board it's slower and softer and takes longer to complete the trip to the ground.

I kinda miss the winter trucks feeling. The loose trucks kit feels so good frozen and fully open with intense jingles.

I love kicking down the street listening to that and seeing my breath underneath the streetlights.

Doing super long strides that wiggle on every kick. I'm pretty stoked on purps in the extreme July heat. I do got green bait and tackle I been saving. I could cut the top down to thunder size. Probably get the same feeling

my experiences have been different: ace feels like the lightest pop, and i need to use large wheels to get any real lift.
ventures i can swing and hit as hard as i want too, which is great. the pop requires more strength, but yields a better overall result. or something.

haven’t really ever gotten into the af1s, but i could skate 90% ventures, 10% ace classics (55s especially), and be good.
which is a lie.
because i also like thunders, but i don’t stick with.

been steady on 5.6 lights for awhile, and enjoying it

[Mbrimson88]

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For anyone after the Chems tool, someone sent me this, so at least they are available from 618 shop.


https://skate618.com/products/skateboard-wheelbase-mod-tool


https://www.instagram.com/skate.618/

* Tried to post their actual post, but it doesn't come up on here.

[Bongwater Mojito]

Doesn't redrilling even 1/4" expose nose- and tailside nuts to damage like before the new hole pattern? I remember having completely rounded-corner nuts which required pliers to loosen/tighten.

[Beardedpirate]

Does anyone know of any where in the uk/Europe I could get a chems tool from? Have a spare set of base plates I would like to re drill to experiment with.

[Mbrimson88]

Doesn't redrilling even 1/4" expose nose- and tailside nuts to damage like before the new hole pattern? I remember having completely rounded-corner nuts which required pliers to loosen/tighten.

Maybe if you really went super hard like some of the 90s old guys or even a few people on here who had rounded and grinded the baseplate down to the actual pivot cup, but for most people, it might come close but not actually hit.

Looked at the board I have here and no the nuts still sit a few mm inside the end of the baseplate on 1/4" compared to actually being on the edge of the baseplate at 3/8" which was the old school pattern.

For just a little bit, redrilling the baseplate is the best option, but anything more than 1/4" and I drill out the deck instead, which I have done recently on a couple of boards, as the first 1/4" wasn't quite enough.


Check the post from Stanley a couple of pages back showing the board Ishod has with the double drilled Venture baseplates, plenty of room at the end, compared to the 3/8" hole pattern.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108614.msg4226172#msg4226172


Adding this here, which might be easier to see:

There is still more gap here on the pivot cup end than there is at the other end where the bolts usually sit, with the nuts sitting 2 mm inside the line of grind / slide on the baseplate end and pivot cup housing.  That is 1/4" though, so anything more than that will definitely have less grind / slide clearance.

[boofactory]

The ishod redrill set up seems to be 3/8 because if it was 1/4 the hardware nuts would be covering the stock holes

[Mbrimson88]

The ishod redrill set up seems to be 3/8 because if it was 1/4 the hardware nuts would be covering the stock holes

It is not a lot of difference - about 3 mm between 1/4" and 3/8" but at 3/8" the nuts do not cover the other holes at all, so from that pic of Ishods board, that is almost exactly where my deck bolts and nuts sit with mine drilled at approximately 1/4" as the distance.

Not a worry either way - be happy to hear from anyone else or even if they ask him how far they are drilled out, but maybe it is a little more than 1/4" but still not quite 3/8" so somewhere in between.


This was the whole post about the Ventures I drilled out, just one set here, but I have drilled out about half a dozen in total, some a little more and some a little less, so it is quite possible it is somewhere in between as well.  Also looking at the pics, I only had a six mm bit, so the holes are very out of line, but I got a five mm bit and they look a lot more normal in other baseplates I have drilled out.

[boofactory]

I was more so saying the nut covers up the space in between the stock hole and starts to cover the stock hole. Ishod probably uses 5/16. That sounds like a nice happy medium.

 I’m really enjoying the 3/8 redrill I’ve got set up right now. The outcome for me feels like I’m riding a pair of ventures that had a baby with a pair of aces. Quicker pop and more carve from ventures than I’m used to.

[CarcassToss]

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The ishod redrill set up seems to be 3/8 because if it was 1/4 the hardware nuts would be covering the stock holes

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It is not a lot of difference - about 3 mm between 1/4" and 3/8" but at 3/8" the nuts do not cover the other holes at all, so from that pic of Ishods board, that is almost exactly where my deck bolts and nuts sit with mine drilled at approximately 1/4" as the distance.

Not a worry either way - be happy to hear from anyone else or even if they ask him how far they are drilled out, but maybe it is a little more than 1/4" but still not quite 3/8" so somewhere in between.


This was the whole post about the Ventures I drilled out, just one set here, but I have drilled out about half a dozen in total, some a little more and some a little less, so it is quite possible it is somewhere in between as well.  Also looking at the pics, I only had a six mm bit, so the holes are very out of line, but I got a five mm bit and they look a lot more normal in other baseplates I have drilled out.

What changes do they notice from the redrilling?

[Mbrimson88]

I was more so saying the nut covers up the space in between the stock hole and starts to cover the stock hole. Ishod probably uses 5/16. That sounds like a nice happy medium.

 I’m really enjoying the 3/8 redrill I’ve got set up right now. The outcome for me feels like I’m riding a pair of ventures that had a baby with a pair of aces. Quicker pop and more carve from ventures than I’m used to.

Yeah, it is fun experimenting with the differently drilled baseplates, some working better with some boards than others.

I find on a couple of boards, the 3/8" is just a bit much, with the board being almost too light on the pop / manual position, but others, it makes it feel just right, compared to the very heavy pop and manual point that regular or especially forged baseplate Venture trucks give on those boards.

What changes do they notice from the redrilling?

Besides above - lightens pop being a big one, I have this to add:

The main thing with moving the truck or trucks in is it shortens the wheelbase, so they turn more quickly, but also lengthens the kicks too, which can sometimes be good and sometimes not so good.  On one very mellow board, it made it feel weird and just didn't pop right at all, but on steeper boards, especially with minimal fingers of flat, having Ventures drilled in even just a little meant they felt way more "normal" and much more balanced, compared to Independent trucks on that board, at least.

I can definitely see how some longer wheelbase boards can be evened out with drilled in Ventures, which is the same as drilling in a wheelbase on a deck, only to me a bit easier to do on the trucks which can then be used on multiple decks, in either position, without having to drill every board.

[tzhangdox]

Cross post:

Does anybody know if a 1/16th riser that fits venture cast plates exists? Preferably one where I can still use 7/8 bolts (dont know if thats possible)

Wheels getting a lil small messing with timing on certain tricks, feeling like a more delayed pop would benefit me right now, but feels wasteful to retire them when they're still in the 52 range

[scab]

Cross post:

Does anybody know if a 1/16th riser that fits venture cast plates exists? Preferably one where I can still use 7/8 bolts (dont know if thats possible)

Wheels getting a lil small messing with timing on certain tricks, feeling like a more delayed pop would benefit me right now, but feels wasteful to retire them when they're still in the 52 range

I've used the Ace 1/16 "shock pads" (they don't absorb shit) on cast Ventures, they fit well enough and are slim enough that you can cut off any overhang easily. I ended up using 1" bolts, 7/8s loosened up way too easily for me. I'm a very graceless skater though, if you treat your setup more tenderly they might still work for you.

[gaunting]

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for anyone that feels they just can’t get venture’s (specifically highs) to turn as much as they’d like. I think I found the perfect solution.

 slappy 85a top bushing, Indy 78a bottom bushing. slappy top bushings are the same height as  venture tops, and Indy aftermarket bottoms are the same height as venture bottoms. these things turn so much nicer. almost like a thunder.

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This is intriguing info. On a side note: is Indy aftermarket top bushing taller/lower than a Venture top?

yea, Indy bottom aftermarket’s are the same height as venture stock bottom. what’s weird though, is both pairs of venture Ti’s I’ve bought, the bottom (white) stock bushing is taller than a stock venture blue bushing. very odd.

edit: read your post wrong. no, Indy aftermarket top bushings are not the same height as venture stock top bushings. the Indy aftermarket top bushings is rather tall. I made that mistake one time, and put 78a Indy bushings (both top and bottom) on a set of ventures, and because it’s so much taller, I couldn’t get the kingpin nut off the kingpin ever after that. it completely fucked the threading up, and the nut was “fused” to the kingpin. lol

[CarcassToss]

If you get some Shortys hardware mostly for the nuts 1/16 pads will fit on 7/8. But I guess since you'd have to get new hardware to get the nuts you'd just get 1"

[someguy185]

Ishod still running ventures at the Bunt Jam.

[CarcassToss]

Wondering when they will announce him to the team?

[Idk]

Wondering when they will announce him to the team?

If Bobby switching caused this huge shift then Ishod going to Venture basically makes them #1

[CarcassToss]

I don't think it would be the same impact. Venture was kinda obscure and they didn't have many big riders before Bobby. Joslin had left after publicly claiming that Ventures were too fragile for him to Tre flip el toro. P Rod was kinda their marquee rider. I don't think Kader had signed yet either. Don't get me wrong they had some more low key riders, but Bobby's part came out of nowhere and timed well with the Indy moving scenario and created new excitement. Right after his part they started gaining a ton of other riders and doing pro issues and whatnot. Lil Dre was on Venture since back in the day and still has not had his own pro truck. It took Shanahan way too long to get one too.

[j....soy.....]

I’ve always thought Prod as the Venture guy….