Venture 2020

[Fifty8mm]

I thought you guys were talking about Bobby Puleo
Bobby Puleo has been on Venture since the 90s. Venture los to be exact and still on them today. He's one of the reasons I ride ventures.

[CarcassToss]

When you guys are saying 3/8 redrill do you mean per truck? Cuz that would add up to 3/4" wb reduction. And looking at the trucks I don't see how you could do any less than 1/4" offset which reduces wb by 1/2" total. Maybe I'm up past my bedtime but to not get the wb super short you'd have to have a different starting point. Getting them on par with Indy is 1/8" per side and not possible without making the bolt holes too close.

[Mbrimson88]

When you guys are saying 3/8 redrill do you mean per truck? Cuz that would add up to 3/4" wb reduction. And looking at the trucks I don't see how you could do any less than 1/4" offset which reduces wb by 1/2" total. Maybe I'm up past my bedtime but to not get the wb super short you'd have to have a different starting point. Getting them on par with Indy is 1/8" per side and not possible without making the bolt holes too close.

Yes, 3/8" per truck, which is why when I tried 1/4" it was pretty short in the wheelbase, so thinking 3/8" would be huge on almost any / every board, except for maybe the Real Wilkins 8.86 deck which has 15" wb on it, which I currently have the only set of 3/8" both on and it still feels a little too close together for me.

Any which way, I think looking at Koston and his board is often looking like it has super long kicks and a very short wheelbase, so I guess those guys get used to that and it works for them - last seen on a DLX 8.25 which has 14.38 wb.

As for others like Ishod, if he is still on 8.3 twin shapes, then that would be down into the 13s as well, 13.8 wb or so, but at least Venture trucks do already start with a long wheelbase, so it might even out a whole lot better than with any other truck brand.

That's my take on it anyway.

[CarcassToss]

That's also assuming that Koston is riding an off the shelf deck and that the Ventures Ishod has are redrilled based on the original stock holes, which doesn't seem right.

[boofactory]

Running my 3/8 per truck redrilled ventures on a 14.25 stock wheelbase isle board. Makes the wheelbase real short and the kicks long, I’m a big fan of the feeling. Makes manuals/balanced grinds feel very light and scooping tricks a breeze. The longer kicks make slides feel so solid too, only get my mounting hardware knicked by the ledge occasionally and I’d say the trade off is worth it for the stability provided by the redrill.

[Mbrimson88]

That's also assuming that Koston is riding an off the shelf deck and that the Ventures Ishod has are redrilled based on the original stock holes, which doesn't seem right.

Yeah I don't think Koston would be getting anything other than just the same stock product (maybe even from a shop connection, rather than directly from DLX), unlike Ishod or others actually on the Real team, who then have their favourite shape done with an assortment of graphics for their riding pleasure.

[Mbrimson88]

Running my 3/8 per truck redrilled ventures on a 14.25 stock wheelbase isle board. Makes the wheelbase real short and the kicks long, I’m a big fan of the feeling. Makes manuals/balanced grinds feel very light and scooping tricks a breeze. The longer kicks make slides feel so solid too, only get my mounting hardware knicked by the ledge occasionally and I’d say the trade off is worth it for the stability provided by the redrill.

That is exactly why I like hearing other peoples' experiences and variations too.

What works for me might not work for someone else and vice versa.

[CarcassToss]

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That's also assuming that Koston is riding an off the shelf deck and that the Ventures Ishod has are redrilled based on the original stock holes, which doesn't seem right.

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Yeah I don't think Koston would be getting anything other than just the same stock product (maybe even from a shop connection, rather than directly from DLX), unlike Ishod or others actually on the Real team, who then have their favourite shape done with an assortment of graphics for their riding pleasure.

DLX provides custom heat transfer decks to tons of pros and clearly is providing custom non-customer trucks to them as well. Its one company where I would never, ever assume the graphic a pro is riding is the shape the public gets.

[Mbrimson88]

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That's also assuming that Koston is riding an off the shelf deck and that the Ventures Ishod has are redrilled based on the original stock holes, which doesn't seem right.

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Yeah I don't think Koston would be getting anything other than just the same stock product (maybe even from a shop connection, rather than directly from DLX), unlike Ishod or others actually on the Real team, who then have their favourite shape done with an assortment of graphics for their riding pleasure.

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DLX provides custom heat transfer decks to tons of pros and clearly is providing custom non-customer trucks to them as well. Its one company where I would never, ever assume the graphic a pro is riding is the shape the public gets.

Ha yeah, Koston is still on Spitfire, so could be getting the DLX love in other areas, more so than some other guys who like to ride DLX products but don't get them through DLX.

Who knows really?!?


Looking at his videos that was just one from late last year with the Doobie 8.25 board, so I don't know what the graphics are on the more recent clips - Skate Mental again?

https://www.instagram.com/erickoston/

[mstuntbless]

Random question but has anyone here skates ventures on a 14.5 wheelbase? Is it as unreasonable as I think it would be?

[SupremePizza]

Random question but has anyone here skates ventures on a 14.5 wheelbase? Is it as unreasonable as I think it would be?

I am running 5.8s on a Huffer which has a 14.75 wb. I haven't had enough time to really get used to it but I don't feel it's unreasonable. One thing I noticed is Tre flips are way harder to get around.

[CarcassToss]

Random question but has anyone here skates ventures on a 14.5 wheelbase? Is it as unreasonable as I think it would be?

I've ridden it on a Baker 14.5 and have some on my transition setup, which is an AH 8.75. I don't flip that board much for obvious reasons, but on the Baker they actually felt great once you get used to the timing.

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Random question but has anyone here skates ventures on a 14.5 wheelbase? Is it as unreasonable as I think it would be?

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I am running 5.8s on a Huffer which has a 14.75 wb. I haven't had enough time to really get used to it but I don't feel it's unreasonable. One thing I noticed is Tre flips are way harder to get around.

i always wondered what cory was riding on the huffer. i guess i assumed 151 thunders, and thinking of it now, it was probably thunder 149s.
i should have tried 8.5 trucks on the huffer.
i did use 151 hollow lights that aren’t far from ventures in how they extend the wb. the huffer has a cool balance to it and it would treflip way better than i expected (wasn’t like i was landing a bunch of stuff but that’s a me issue).

blah blah blah. i’ve ridden ventures on longer wb’s and it’s worked great for me. i’ve ridden ace on short wb’s and it’s worked great for me. effective wheelbase hasn’t helped me.

huffers are cool.

5.8s are sick. hella wides

[mstuntbless]

I appreciate the input!!

[mstuntbless]

IDK its weird because it technically shouldnt work too well, especially for someone of my height. However when I am riding 8.5/14.5 with ventures I feel like I have the confidence to ollie onto anything. When I have a shorter wheelbase I am not as comfortable rolling up to something big.

[tzhangdox]

^I agree, confidence boosting for sure

Though I am tall so it makes sense.

I've been running ventures with april 8.5s which have a 14.4 wheelbase, feels super manageable. The kicks being a lil longer and flatter helps a lot too

[scab]

IDK its weird because it technically shouldnt work too well, especially for someone of my height. However when I am riding 8.5/14.5 with ventures I feel like I have the confidence to ollie onto anything. When I have a shorter wheelbase I am not as comfortable rolling up to something big.

I've been riding that combination for the better part of 2 years now, what you're describing is exactly what I love about it. I've got the most confidence in this setup actually being were I need it to be when push comes to shove. On shorter boards my front foot often goes too far up on the nose or overshoots it. With short wheelbases my board tends to rotate too easily. On turnier trucks I have a hard time setting up properly for flip tricks. Yeah, I need to work harder to make my tricks work,  but I much prefer that over my board doing stuff I don't want it to.

[roba]

i did a 14.5 once and it felt fine, but not my preference. 14.38 i could work with easily and thought about sticking with it but 14.25 feels like home still so i usually go with it.  i think that short wheelbase requirement for ventures is a little blown out of proportion. i'm like 6'1" (187cm) and a 14 inch wb with ventures was super frustrating. every tre flip stayed behind me, kickflips were rocket, i don't know how taller people like ben de g do it.

[CarcassToss]

Ben is a better skater than I but if you watch him skate he has a narrow stance and doesn't flick super far out from the board. He probably doesn't need the distance afforded by a longer board. The quick timing can be easier for some since you pop and flick as a more single motion.

[mstuntbless]

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IDK its weird because it technically shouldnt work too well, especially for someone of my height. However when I am riding 8.5/14.5 with ventures I feel like I have the confidence to ollie onto anything. When I have a shorter wheelbase I am not as comfortable rolling up to something big.

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I've been riding that combination for the better part of 2 years now, what you're describing is exactly what I love about it. I've got the most confidence in this setup actually being were I need it to be when push comes to shove. On shorter boards my front foot often goes too far up on the nose or overshoots it. With short wheelbases my board tends to rotate too easily. On turnier trucks I have a hard time setting up properly for flip tricks. Yeah, I need to work harder to make my tricks work,  but I much prefer that over my board doing stuff I don't want it to.

 
That’s a really good point and now that I hear it, maybe that’s what I like about too. It takes work to make that board move but it means maybe I am more intentional. Have you ever experienced or been around someone who “accidentally” double flipped their board? Not happening on 8.5/14.5

[Xen]

IDK its weird because it technically shouldnt work too well, especially for someone of my height. However when I am riding 8.5/14.5 with ventures I feel like I have the confidence to ollie onto anything. When I have a shorter wheelbase I am not as comfortable rolling up to something big.

I've got big ollies and a wide stance, a shorter board and WB (and to an extent, narrower trucks at my desired looseness) make the setup during roll up to large ollies really challenging as it causes lots of squirrly feet movement and thereby instability; I also need more runway to get prepared. Conversely, a longer WB/Board (and to an extenet, wider trucks) is way more stable and it's much more forgiving for me to setup up my feet and prepare to pop; I don't need to be in a precise position or require more setup time/runway. It's a more natural/loose feeling ollie vs a more constricted/precise one.

I'm moving over to a longer April (Mariano) both in length and WB (8.3/32.18/14.3 <- I believe this are just the generic BBS dims?) for this very reason as this past weekend I was having a real hard time on a ~32' and sub 14.25" WB, I could pop well enough but I could not level out to really get the height I needed and stick my landings.

Considering pairing (Cast) ventures but might just default to Royals.

[CarcassToss]

For me there is a sweet spot cuz if the board gets too long my rear foot doesn't suck up nicely and my nollies don't level out.

I had that Mariano board- it is verrrrry similar to the BBS 8.38 but it's always flatter and has slightly fuller kicks. April has pretty nice shapes.

A while back Reynolds posted on IG that when he does huge Ollies over or up things he always rides their 8.125 or 8.0 shape. Someone asked him why in the comments and he claimed he found it easier to get up things. Fairly sure those shapes are all pretty similar, but I said fucking it and picked up an 8.25 generic BBS shop deck since it's similar to what I was on, but just shorter WB. I was able to bring the tail up marginally faster, but found more often than not that when I landed my front foot was too in the front pocket and it didn't feel super wonderful. I'd say confidence and how stable you feel matters more than the slight changes in mechanics.

[Xen]

Rode one of the 8.3 april shapes a few years ago, good nose and it had the right dims i want for an 8.3, tho back then I was worried it too long.

Reynolds is a small / average dude (standing next to him anyway); I'm taller and probably have a bigger inseam. He's also way better than me

Back to vents tho; @tzhangdox you don't find the 14.4 (essentially 14.5) wb too long for vents (cast or forged?). Leaning towards cast for the extra height/bigger wheel/pop since I've jsut been boosting over shit lately instead of flipping and destroying my shins).

[mstuntbless]

For me there is a sweet spot cuz if the board gets too long my rear foot doesn't suck up nicely and my nollies don't level out.

I had that Mariano board- it is verrrrry similar to the BBS 8.38 but it's always flatter and has slightly fuller kicks. April has pretty nice shapes.

A while back Reynolds posted on IG that when he does huge Ollies over or up things he always rides their 8.125 or 8.0 shape. Someone asked him why in the comments and he claimed he found it easier to get up things. Fairly sure those shapes are all pretty similar, but I said fucking it and picked up an 8.25 generic BBS shop deck since it's similar to what I was on, but just shorter WB. I was able to bring the tail up marginally faster, but found more often than not that when I landed my front foot was too in the front pocket and it didn't feel super wonderful. I'd say confidence and how stable you feel matters more than the slight changes in mechanics.
I am kind of leaning towards this! Like instead of fighting to get used to a shorter wheelbase, I would be better off honing a few more tricks on what I’m comfortable with. The way I see it, if I feel comfortable I’ll be more likely to try a different trick or be able to tweak my foot position. @xen I skated a majority of the summer on a 8.5/32/14.5. This board was given to me by a friend and I didn’t check the dims because I am way too in my head about that. I had a really good time on it and even learned a few new tricks. When I tried to replicate that board I got one with a 14.25 wheelbase and that is when madness ensured.

[CarcassToss]

I thought Reynolds was 6'2"?

[Xen]

I thought Reynolds was 6'2"?

He didn't seem it? Bad posture? who knows.

Point being, it's Reynolds, he can skate anything and make it work. He's been on 8.125s for a hot minute now (years and years) so it's his new norm.

[CarcassToss]

I don't have IG at the moment so I don't keep up with him lately. Never met him in real life just imagined he was one of the rare 6'+ skaters based on footage. Given how much shorter most pros are in real life aside from Rick Howard (surprisingly tall) that would make sense.

[tzhangdox]

Rode one of the 8.3 april shapes a few years ago, good nose and it had the right dims i want for an 8.3, tho back then I was worried it too long.

Reynolds is a small / average dude (standing next to him anyway); I'm taller and probably have a bigger inseam. He's also way better than me

Back to vents tho; @tzhangdox you don't find the 14.4 (essentially 14.5) wb too long for vents (cast or forged?). Leaning towards cast for the extra height/bigger wheel/pop since I've jsut been boosting over shit lately instead of flipping and destroying my shins).

Cast hollows, dont push wb out as much as forged and a lil lighter than standard ventures.

I mean, some things don't work quite as easily, a couple 180 flips on flat come to mind. A couple ledge flip ins also maybe feel like they take a little more effort but honestly there hasn't been anything that I can do on shorter boards that I can't on this longer board.

I think the slightly flatter longer kicks plus the wb which is just a smidge more than 14.38 make it feel a bit more nimble than most generic bbs 8.5 14.5s

The added comfort and stability make it well worth it, can skate a little faster by default. Slip out a lil less too.

Personally my tre flips have always been better on long boards, especially fakie. When the board is too short I have to be really careful not to overdo it. Same with couple other tricks like sw shuvs, most 180s etc

I also am 6ft5 size 13 feet with pretty long legs so if anything these big boards are proportionate to me, and shapes like the navy eagle shape I used to skate a lot were just too small to be all round versatile for me, as nice as they were for certain things

[Unkle Fleak]

I don't think it would be the same impact. Venture was kinda obscure and they didn't have many big riders before Bobby. Joslin had left after publicly claiming that Ventures were too fragile for him to Tre flip el toro. P Rod was kinda their marquee rider. I don't think Kader had signed yet either. Don't get me wrong they had some more low key riders, but Bobby's part came out of nowhere and timed well with the Indy moving scenario and created new excitement. Right after his part they started gaining a ton of other riders and doing pro issues and whatnot. Lil Dre was on Venture since back in the day and still has not had his own pro truck. It took Shanahan way too long to get one too.

Werd up. Lil dre is a perfect example of someone whos truck I'd ride.

It's probably tough to get people away from silver. Idk what lil dres truck should look like.

Ishod should have a BMW bite. Maybe put the M style grill on it?

[Xen]

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Rode one of the 8.3 april shapes a few years ago, good nose and it had the right dims i want for an 8.3, tho back then I was worried it too long.

Reynolds is a small / average dude (standing next to him anyway); I'm taller and probably have a bigger inseam. He's also way better than me

Back to vents tho; @tzhangdox you don't find the 14.4 (essentially 14.5) wb too long for vents (cast or forged?). Leaning towards cast for the extra height/bigger wheel/pop since I've jsut been boosting over shit lately instead of flipping and destroying my shins).

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Cast hollows, dont push wb out as much as forged and a lil lighter than standard ventures.

I mean, some things don't work quite as easily, a couple 180 flips on flat come to mind. A couple ledge flip ins also maybe feel like they take a little more effort but honestly there hasn't been anything that I can do on shorter boards that I can't on this longer board.

I think the slightly flatter longer kicks plus the wb which is just a smidge more than 14.38 make it feel a bit more nimble than most generic bbs 8.5 14.5s

The added comfort and stability make it well worth it, can skate a little faster by default. Slip out a lil less too.

Personally my tre flips have always been better on long boards, especially fakie. When the board is too short I have to be really careful not to overdo it. Same with couple other tricks like sw shuvs, most 180s etc

I also am 6ft5 size 13 feet with pretty long legs so if anything these big boards are proportionate to me, and shapes like the navy eagle shape I used to skate a lot were just too small to be all round versatile for me, as nice as they were for certain things

That's what I'm eyeing: Cast hollow (undecided on .6 or 5.8 for this 8.3x. WB and width measure tru, it's 32" on the dot (not that .18 would throw anyone off). But it feels small now that it's gripped, not what I was hoping for...having slight 'ragrets' no getting the 8.5 instead. Tempted to slap on some cast thunders ti 149s. Really want the 'comfort and stabilty'.