Venture 2020

[Stanley Spadowski]

I wonder how hard it would be to make a 8.25 (5.6) low hanger.
I'm thinking it's pretty niche but maybe dlx could do a pre-order and just make enough for those people that pay up front. If the minimum is not met, then they don't make em.
Pre-order through shops so it's no DTC and helps out shops too.

Edit: I'm fine with 5.2(8.0) lows but sometimes brands only make 8.25 of a cool graphic . In this case the Durao Drift deck. So fucking good.

I back this. 5.25 lows are all I skate. 5.6-5.8 lows for a bigger board would be pretty sick.

[Bongwater Mojito]

Cast Venture are +3.2 and forged are +3.35. If the holes move them in by .5" then cast are 2.7" vs Ace at 2.75 for Classics and just under 3" for AF1. So yes, they would end up in Ace territory if they use the original mounting holes and the product card posted on the last page that says each truck is moved in 1/4" is right.

Now if they offset the original holes and it's 3" that would be perfect.

You might be correct, I remember taking those measurements was kind of hit and miss. In any case, I think this could be a change which could really impact Venture sales.

[BeachChicken]

Just curious how tall are all you low skaters?

The amount of new material doesn't look too massive near the pivot cup.

[Fifty8mm]

I'm 5'9" short.

I can skate highs too. I just think the highs are kinda ugly, too much meat on those wings. But I'm sure most will disagree and thats fine

[Bongwater Mojito]

I wonder how an asymmetrical V8 setup would feel like. Lighter ollie, heavy nollie?

[GT]

V8s look sweet!
.25 on the tail to take any 14.25  to 14"WB
👌🏽

[BeachChicken]

Idk that makes most tails into noses. On my 8.38 the nose is 6.875 and the tail is 6.625, I'd end up with a tail slightly longer than the nose if I just did 1 truck.

I love Venture and wish the pop was light but I don't think this is necessary. Just do an update to the plates with 1/8" further back holes and phase the old ones out.

[GT]

Idk that makes most tails into noses. On my 8.38 the nose is 6.875 and the tail is 6.625, I'd end up with a tail slightly longer than the nose if I just did 1 truck.

I love Venture and wish the pop was light but I don't think this is necessary. Just do an update to the plates with 1/8" further back holes and phase the old ones out.

Do nose side instead?

[Xen]

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Idk that makes most tails into noses. On my 8.38 the nose is 6.875 and the tail is 6.625, I'd end up with a tail slightly longer than the nose if I just did 1 truck.

I love Venture and wish the pop was light but I don't think this is necessary. Just do an update to the plates with 1/8" further back holes and phase the old ones out.

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Do nose side instead?

Mmmm, long kick twin tails gonna be sweeeet

[BeachChicken]

I'd rather my trucks just both be taken in honestly. I've never wanted either kick to be 1/4" different. That seems more jarring than just moving both in slightly. Never tried it tho, guess it's easy enough to experiment with.

[Bongwater Mojito]

I think Paul Schmitt does asymmetrical board re-drilling in many videos when improving someone's setup. Always tail only. Effectively same thing as moving V8 back truck only, just without the white coat.

[BeachChicken]

Maybe he should make decks that don't have short fuckin tails. Last PS 8.38 I got had a 6.4 tail. Ventures wouldn't save that cuz I hated the nose too.

[Sk.A.T.A.N]

Maybe he should make decks that don't have short fuckin tails. Last PS 8.38 I got had a 6.4 tail. Ventures wouldn't save that cuz I hated the nose too.

Got a WKND board (PS stix) the other day that I specifically ordered cause it had a short 14inch wheel base and I thought it was perfect for my ventures, shape online looked kinda stubby like I like it so I was excited…

…until it arrived and it has shortest tail I’ve ever seen. It’s like half an inch shorter than all the other decks I have at home. Like seriously who the fuck wants to skate such a short tail?? I don’t even wanna set it up cause I can already predict the ghost pop in my nightmares.

[rikki]

Same experience with PS Stix. Ordered a Rassvet deck that had nice dims online on a local shop's website, but I guess they haven't taken into account that the Professor measures the dims not in a straight line but by the board curvature.

Hence I ended up with a deck that's pretty much the f*cking shortest I've ever seen (was a hair under 32 on paper, in reality it's like 31.25), plus the tail is like 6.2 inches or something as ridiculous.

I mean, it's useless for me.

Careful with PS Stix boards and their dims, pals.

[boofactory]

Any info on when these v8s drop?

I have been running some 3/8 double drilled ventures I did myself for a few set ups now but an super curious to see how the v8s skate by comparison.

[j....soy.....]

Re PS….IMO should be avoided online unless it’s some weird shaped deck that you accept the risk of skating…. Daily driver….bad idea…

[Xen]

Never had any issues with PStix boards via online orders. Knowing your brands shapes is key (Quasi, Toy, etc.,).

[Mbrimson88]

Any info on when these v8s drop?

I have been running some 3/8 double drilled ventures I did myself for a few set ups now but an super curious to see how the v8s skate by comparison.

Still nothing out there as far as I know, but maybe I don't know much with this sort of thing anyway.

I am thinking that they will almost be a surprise "New product in shops now" kind of thing, but a lot of this sort of product goes to team riders first, then hits main stream local SF / USA shops, then slowly makes it out to other places in the usual distribution timeframes.

With the 93 duro wheels, I think it was a few weeks for USA but again, that is going by hype after released info, not a screen shot of a team rider with the product.


Maybe keep an eye on DLXSF.COM as well as socials for DLX and Venture as they might have more info there too.

https://www.instagram.com/dlxsf/

https://www.instagram.com/venturetrucks/

[j....soy.....]

I think it'll kinda be limited.  I'm excited for it, just being able to make changes after you've skated a board for a couple weeks.  Might help with some people's madness.....

[BeachChicken]

The problem with PS shapes is the actual measurements aren't always published. Luckily some companies do but it can be an utter shit show when brands don't post and the shapes change. They have short tails for almost every size compared to BBS so at least if you go into it knowing that you don't vibe with those then you're good.

Ben D made it seem like you could email them and they'd tell you what shapes are used by what brand. I called and talked to someone that was not Paul and the dude had zero fucking clue how to look up shapes and Paul never responded.

[bryan]

Similarly, crail boards also have a few short tail boards like the 6.3" tail on the dreaded g016. Oddly all of their 8.25" boards have long tails 6.7-6.8.

I'll be happy to have an ace-like wheelbase + light pop but with the venture stability for 8.25+, <8.1 i'll stick with lows.

[Fifty8mm]

Similarly, crail boards also have a few short tail boards like the 6.3" tail on the dreaded g016. Oddly all of their 8.25" boards have long tails 6.7-6.8.

I'll be happy to have an ace-like wheelbase + light pop but with the venture stability for 8.25+, <8.1 i'll stick with lows.

I think if you shorten the wb on the trucks, you won't have the same stability.  I hope I'm wrong but I'm almost sure Aces turn how they turn largely due to how much they shorten the wb.

[BeachChicken]

Ace have a very high arc to the turn due to the truck geometry having the most hanger articulation. This comes from the kingpin angle and yoke angle.

[Fifty8mm]

Ace have a very high arc to the turn due to the truck geometry having the most hanger articulation. This comes from the kingpin angle and yoke angle.

Wb affects the turn just as the angle of the kp does.

The wider the wb the more stable. You are not gonna get a more stable board using ventures if your mounting them more in. Probably more stable than indy or ace but definately not the same as standard ventures. Unless they changed hanger or kingpin height/placement/angle as well.

[BeachChicken]

No dude it really doesn't. The angle of the kingpin affects the actual arc of the turn. You put an Ace on a 14 and 14.75 it will always feel squirrlier than a Venture, which has a low arc. They literally design Ace to turn with a super insane arc which throws many people off regardless of how much they tighten them and Venture is the opposite. I've actually stepped on a friends board that had Aces on an 8.75 Eagle and it felt crazier to me than my brief experiment with Venture forged on a 14".

Now if you bring the wheels closer together with the same truck and every other variable about the board is equal then your feet are more over the axles and that does effect turn. It's physically impossible for wheelbase to effect turning radius as much as the arc of the truck since it's the pivot point. It's creating a smaller diameter circle.

I've ridden Ventures on the 8.25x14" Easy Rider and it felt more stable than on a 8.5x14.25 AH Eagle. The Eagle has almost no flat before the kicks and is a shorter deck by almost 1/4" so your feet physically can't get as wide. The Easy Rider felt stable by comparison. I'm sure if you pushed the Easy Rider WB out to 14.25 it would feel even more stable of course, but not like going between Ace and Venture.

[Fifty8mm]

No dude it really doesn't. The angle of the kingpin affects the actual arc of the turn. You put an Ace on a 14 and 14.75 it will always feel squirrlier than a Venture, which has a low arc. They literally design Ace to turn with a super insane arc which throws many people off regardless of how much they tighten them and Venture is the opposite. I've actually stepped on a friends board that had Aces on an 8.75 Eagle and it felt crazier to me than my brief experiment with Venture forged on a 14".

Now if you bring the wheels closer together with the same truck and every other variable about the board is equal then your feet are more over the axles and that does effect turn. It's physically impossible for wheelbase to effect turning radius as much as the arc of the truck since it's the pivot point. It's creating a smaller diameter circle.

I've ridden Ventures on the 8.25x14" Easy Rider and it felt more stable than on a 8.5x14.25 AH Eagle. The Eagle has almost no flat before the kicks and is a shorter deck by almost 1/4" so your feet physically can't get as wide. The Easy Rider felt stable by comparison. I'm sure if you pushed the Easy Rider WB out to 14.25 it would feel even more stable of course, but not like going between Ace and Venture.

Wheelbase affects stability. Even in cars, forklifts etc.
I mentioned ace and indy as comparisons but forget about those ,lets talk about venture to venture.
Standard wb venture truck on the same board vs shorter wb venture on the same board will not have the same stability.

That's a fact.

[BeachChicken]

I said it affects stability but not as much as the truck itself or some of the other board variables. You tried to claim the kingpin angle and geo of the truck matters less than wheelbase, but matters far more. Obviously apples to apples same truck and board shape pulling the trucks closer together will turn sharper and feel less stable to some.

I'm worried that the WB on the V8 will be too tight, but at the same time it'll be much more stable than an Ace, which theoretically have the same WB.

[Fifty8mm]

I said it affects stability but not as much as the truck itself or some of the other board variables. You tried to claim the kingpin angle and geo of the truck matters less than wheelbase, but matters far more. Obviously apples to apples same truck and board shape pulling the trucks closer together will turn sharper and feel less stable to some.

I'm worried that the WB on the V8 will be too tight, but at the same time it'll be much more stable than an Ace, which theoretically have the same WB.

I never claimed that. I said wb matters as the angles or whatever. "Wb affects the turn just as the angle of the kp does"

Direct quote.
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[spanyard]

Hold up let me get the popcorn ready you two.

[BeachChicken]

I think we're just talking about different things I don't disagree but Venture being a more stable turn I think even with the wheels pulled in more will still be stable at the effective wheelbase vs the other options on the market with the same effective WB