Venture 2020

[Xen]

I think even with the wheels pulled in more will still be stable at the effective wheelbase vs the other options on the market with the same effective WB

I can ride these V8s on a 14.353+ WB, set them 'in' and not worry about pushing the WB out farther yet still retain the pop, less wheelbite and stabilty of Ventures.

[BeachChicken]

That's the dream ain't it? Although I've got no issues with normal Ventures on that WB as long as the tail isn't short.

I might be reading what you wrote wrong but do you already have a set?

[Xen]

That's the dream ain't it? Although I've got no issues with normal Ventures on that WB as long as the tail isn't short.

I might be reading what you wrote wrong but do you already have a set?

I don't have a set yet but might bite; since I'm skating twins with 14.3x WB dropping down to 14.125 effective WB *MIGHT* be too much but the lonng kicks might compensate; we shall see.

[Fifty8mm]

I think we're just talking about different things I don't disagree but Venture being a more stable turn I think even with the wheels pulled in more will still be stable at the effective wheelbase vs the other options on the market with the same effective WB

I probably wrote it weird. But yeah still more stable than any of the turney trucks, no doubt. But less than standard. I do like the logo on the baseplate. Reminds me of old 327/350 chevy emblems. Miss my Malibu.

[BeachChicken]

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That's the dream ain't it? Although I've got no issues with normal Ventures on that WB as long as the tail isn't short.

I might be reading what you wrote wrong but do you already have a set?

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I don't have a set yet but might bite; since I'm skating twins with 14.3x WB dropping down to 14.125 effective WB *MIGHT* be too much but the lonng kicks might compensate; we shall see.

I'm skating Indy's right now and can't really imagine wanting my wheels another .3 in. I like Ventures ok 14.38 so it might be too much.

[Meathook]

After spending ab a month on Lurpivs, I’m back to being awake.  Running 5.8 on and 8.5.  I just ordered a set of 6.1 since these will be done soon, but I remember reading once before the 6.1 turn a bit different and have different feel.  Has anyone on the 6.1 found that to be true vs smaller sizes?

Reading the last couple pages has me psyched for a V-8 and adjustable wheelbase.  Love a good Instagram leak.

[ambiguousclarity]

After spending ab a month on Lurpivs, I’m back to being awake.  Running 5.8 on and 8.5.  I just ordered a set of 6.1 since these will be done soon, but I remember reading once before the 6.1 turn a bit different and have different feel.  Has anyone on the 6.1 found that to be true vs smaller sizes?

Reading the last couple pages has me psyched for a V-8 and adjustable wheelbase.  Love a good Instagram leak.

Look forward to seeing responses to your question. I'm riding 6.1 on an 8.5 and I'm considering downsizing to 5.8s next time. Find the 6.1 turn suits me - mind you it's the first time I've tried Venture. I'm not sure why Venture get such a bad rap re turn.

[tzhangdox]

I usually skate 5.8s cast hollows but have skated solid 6.1s.

6.1s made flip tricks feel a lil loftier and flip slower. Slightly better for some tricks, slightly worse for most since I wasn't quite used to it. Nothing significant that I couldn't adjust to in a few sessions though.

Some grinds felt like there's a bit too much hanger space for my liking, but grinding round bars and chunky ledges was awesome.

Turn a bit slower and feel a bit more stable because they're wider.

If I had to skate them I definitely could, but I prefer 5.8s as thats the axle width Im used to on any truck. Also they come in cast hollows

I also heard that the wb is a lil bit shortened on 6.1s, didnt really verify it but couldn't really tell. All the difference in feel felt more related to hanger width.

[roba]

this has probably been answered before but:

do the v8s have the standard venture wb or are both options different than before? also are they going to keep making the regular ventures we have now or are they going to phase them out and just sell straight v8s? i don't have any issues with the way current ventures skate and if the v8s are significantly different i would be very disappointed.

[BeachChicken]

No one knows for sure but looks like there are normal holes and ones that push your wb in .25 per truck for 1/2" total reduction.

[Ok]

i’m hyped for the v8’s.
they just seem fun and interesting, and ventures are my favorite.

@Beach @58 wheelbase and kingpin are both factors, as you both know.
what i’d like to learn more about is how much wb effects ‘things’. i skate fine (relative) on whatever wb and ventures, and can only use ace on short wb setups. all to say, effect wb doesn’t mean much to me. the stability of a truck, for me, has much more to do with the kp angle. i think our longboard brothers would say the same


re the 6.1s: i’ve skated them and liked them quite a bit, despite the trucks being too wide for me. i like the stability, and i ollie better with the 6.1s. the geo feels different, but im not good enough to claim this level
of sensitivity (i also purport to really loooooooove ace classic 55s, don’t currently own any, but can wax on about how the classic 55s feel different/better, than the 44s/33s. so feel free to ignore).
i dug the 6.1s, but ….im not good enough to skate big boards like that, and now i just live with 5.6s.
listen to tzanghox tho, that person actually skate and lands tricks.

hopefully the v8s come out soon i need that fall hype. my favorite time of year to skate, for some reason

[j....soy.....]

I still think with a different set of holes they will still turn similar, maybe the pop will be slightly altered but they will still feel like ventures more than anything else….

To me I value Venture mostly how they turn (don’t) and pop which I think has to do with the turn….Aces turn because of the geometry…if you put aces on an 14.5 wheelbase, they’d out turn ventures on a 14” wheelbase all day….

[BeachChicken]

pop has to due with the wb as it effectively creates the length of the lever since it is the fulcrum point

[j....soy.....]

Agreed but it’s not just the wheelbase…which is why I put it in a class of its own….height/axel positioning also play a factor….

I get it though….we all crowd around the wheelbase…..I don’t know why….

[Mbrimson88]

this has probably been answered before but:

do the v8s have the standard venture wb or are both options different than before? also are they going to keep making the regular ventures we have now or are they going to phase them out and just sell straight v8s? i don't have any issues with the way current ventures skate and if the v8s are significantly different i would be very disappointed.

Quite simply there is really NO other info out there at all besides what was on the info card with the trucks in the pics.

They look the same in every other aspect as normal Ventures, just the new baseplate make with the eight holes, so I would guess they would skate exactly the same as the normal ones for the most part, much the same as the sets I have redrilled and have on boards.

Gotta say though, it has been fun doing the mix and match with these drilled out baseplates on various boards to see how they work, some better than others, depending on how steep the kicks on the boards are or how many fingers of flat, or other things - some decks skate better than others, but more than anything, if a board is too long or the wheelbase especially too long for the board, this new option will make things a whole lot easier to skate that board fairly normally, or have it feel a little more like Indy or Ace in the wheelbase and lightening up the tail, without having the squirrely turn of either of those, especially if you are more used to Venture in the way the trucks turn and balance.


Still waiting for any other official release, but I guess it would be soon enough given the trucks are already out there now in the hands of team riders.

[BeachChicken]

Agreed but it’s not just the wheelbase…which is why I put it in a class of its own….height/axel positioning also play a factor….

I get it though….we all crowd around the wheelbase…..I don’t know why….

I guess I should say relative to the kick endpoint. You move the truck outwards and it makes the tail effectively hit later. This is a function of the effective WB due to the axle being further towards the tip. Of course how it gets further matters which is why moving the truck up with an Indy Standard doesn't pop the same as moving it out with a Venture High even tho the effective pop angle is often almost identical. Someone smarter than me likely knows why the two trucks feel different even if the board ends up at the same angle. I wonder if this is due to the arc being different like there is momentum from the Indy before it hits since the arc is longer due to the height.

[Unkle Fleak]

Does the rest of the world not know yet or something.

I’m like koston v8 they like you talking gibberish yo.

I’m like nah ked. The whole skate werld is about to change. Dude, my first skateboard had pool route trucks with like fancy like almost diamond shape pointy trucks. Lil blue banana bloard. I’d sell one or two of the souls I’ve purchased over the years for a double of my first skate.

My brother had a yellow square banana board with double kicks. It was rad

[roba]

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this has probably been answered before but:

do the v8s have the standard venture wb or are both options different than before? also are they going to keep making the regular ventures we have now or are they going to phase them out and just sell straight v8s? i don't have any issues with the way current ventures skate and if the v8s are significantly different i would be very disappointed.

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Quite simply there is really NO other info out there at all besides what was on the info card with the trucks in the pics.

They look the same in every other aspect as normal Ventures, just the new baseplate make with the eight holes, so I would guess they would skate exactly the same as the normal ones for the most part, much the same as the sets I have redrilled and have on boards.

Gotta say though, it has been fun doing the mix and match with these drilled out baseplates on various boards to see how they work, some better than others, depending on how steep the kicks on the boards are or how many fingers of flat, or other things - some decks skate better than others, but more than anything, if a board is too long or the wheelbase especially too long for the board, this new option will make things a whole lot easier to skate that board fairly normally, or have it feel a little more like Indy or Ace in the wheelbase and lightening up the tail, without having the squirrely turn of either of those, especially if you are more used to Venture in the way the trucks turn and balance.


Still waiting for any other official release, but I guess it would be soon enough given the trucks are already out there now in the hands of team riders.

ah fuck i guess i'll have to wait and see, i have recently found my perfect set up (board shape really) and it works well for me with the standard ventures, i don't want to pull the wb in or anything.

fuckin koston just had to join a new truck company and then try and change the truck, like damn just go back to indy, it was already perfect

[FrenchSkater]

Quick question about the low ventures, if we skate them on a 14.38 wheelbase, are there as many difficulties as the high ventures on a 14.38 or knowing that they are low and that the wheelbase is large, the difference is not felt ? Because I have the impression that low ventures on a 14 wheelbase can be considered "too low".

By the way, I tried the board of a friend who skates an element 8.3 with venture lows, I loved the feeling of magic carpet and the perfect 360 flip first try, even though 8.3 is still wide !

[Gland Dongzig]

Quick question about the low ventures, if we skate them on a 14.38 wheelbase, are there as many difficulties as the high ventures on a 14.38 or knowing that they are low and that the wheelbase is large, the difference is not felt ? Because I have the impression that low ventures on a 14 wheelbase can be considered "too low". By the way, I tried the board of a friend who skates an element 8.3 with venture lows, I loved the feeling of magic carpet and the perfect 360 flip first try, even though 8.3 is still wide !

I used to run 5.2 los on Ishod TT’s. Which are 8.3 with a 14.3 wb, tres felt very consistent and sexy. They were very scoopy or something like that fwiw
https://i.imgur.com/SvfJwzS.mp4

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this has probably been answered before but:

do the v8s have the standard venture wb or are both options different than before? also are they going to keep making the regular ventures we have now or are they going to phase them out and just sell straight v8s? i don't have any issues with the way current ventures skate and if the v8s are significantly different i would be very disappointed.

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Quite simply there is really NO other info out there at all besides what was on the info card with the trucks in the pics.

They look the same in every other aspect as normal Ventures, just the new baseplate make with the eight holes, so I would guess they would skate exactly the same as the normal ones for the most part, much the same as the sets I have redrilled and have on boards.

Gotta say though, it has been fun doing the mix and match with these drilled out baseplates on various boards to see how they work, some better than others, depending on how steep the kicks on the boards are or how many fingers of flat, or other things - some decks skate better than others, but more than anything, if a board is too long or the wheelbase especially too long for the board, this new option will make things a whole lot easier to skate that board fairly normally, or have it feel a little more like Indy or Ace in the wheelbase and lightening up the tail, without having the squirrely turn of either of those, especially if you are more used to Venture in the way the trucks turn and balance.


Still waiting for any other official release, but I guess it would be soon enough given the trucks are already out there now in the hands of team riders.

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ah fuck i guess i'll have to wait and see, i have recently found my perfect set up (board shape really) and it works well for me with the standard ventures, i don't want to pull the wb in or anything.

fuckin koston just had to join a new truck company and then try and change the truck, like damn just go back to indy, it was already perfect

From a business perspective I'd be shocked if they turned away from what makes Venture unique in the first place. They make trucks with a long wheelbase and unmatched stability, that's a legit USP. It'd be foolish to just abandon the place in the market they've carved out for themselves. The 8 hole truck is going to be a cool novelty for people who already like Ventures, and will perhaps awaken some Thunder or even Indy riders, but I can't see it becoming more than a niche product. Smart companies don't just discontinue their cash cows.

[GT]

I don't think they will change the geometry of current trucks. Ventures are at an all time high right now. I think the baseplate is simply added holes.

[roba]

i'm looking at my ventures rn and it looks like there's little space at the front of the baseplate where the holes should probably be to tuck in the wheels, that's why i asked. mine are ground down from sliding a lot so maybe it could work but i think that the bolts would still be dangerously close to the slide area, if that makes sense. hopefully they will sell the v8s and the standards simultaneously like ace does with af1s and classics

[scab]

i'm looking at my ventures rn and it looks like there's little space at the front of the baseplate where the holes should probably be to tuck in the wheels, that's why i asked. mine are ground down from sliding a lot so maybe it could work but i think that the bolts would still be dangerously close to the slide area, if that makes sense. hopefully they will sell the v8s and the standards simultaneously like ace does with af1s and classics

I'd be willing to bet money on that (and I'd also riot if they got rid of the current geo completely). If you look closely at the pics Brimson posted, you can see the baseplate actually features a V8 embossing. There'd be no need to point that feature out so prominently if the 8 hole pattern were going to be the standard.

While I'm already in this thread... Awakened pals, please talk me out of trying Lurpivs. I'm starting to feel the tiniest bit tired after bending 3 axles on V-Hollows within the last 6 months.

[Xen]

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i'm looking at my ventures rn and it looks like there's little space at the front of the baseplate where the holes should probably be to tuck in the wheels, that's why i asked. mine are ground down from sliding a lot so maybe it could work but i think that the bolts would still be dangerously close to the slide area, if that makes sense. hopefully they will sell the v8s and the standards simultaneously like ace does with af1s and classics

[close]

I'd be willing to bet money on that (and I'd also riot if they got rid of the current geo completely). If you look closely at the pics Brimson posted, you can see the baseplate actually features a V8 embossing. There'd be no need to point that feature out so prominently if the 8 hole pattern were going to be the standard.

While I'm already in this thread... Awakened pals, please talk me out of trying Lurpivs. I'm starting to feel the tiniest bit tired after bending 3 axles on V-Hollows within the last 6 months.

So don't keep buyin hollows? Standards or Ti seem to be what you need? Or a diet?

[roba]

never met a truck i didn’t bend

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i'm looking at my ventures rn and it looks like there's little space at the front of the baseplate where the holes should probably be to tuck in the wheels, that's why i asked. mine are ground down from sliding a lot so maybe it could work but i think that the bolts would still be dangerously close to the slide area, if that makes sense. hopefully they will sell the v8s and the standards simultaneously like ace does with af1s and classics

[close]

I'd be willing to bet money on that (and I'd also riot if they got rid of the current geo completely). If you look closely at the pics Brimson posted, you can see the baseplate actually features a V8 embossing. There'd be no need to point that feature out so prominently if the 8 hole pattern were going to be the standard.

While I'm already in this thread... Awakened pals, please talk me out of trying Lurpivs. I'm starting to feel the tiniest bit tired after bending 3 axles on V-Hollows within the last 6 months.

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So don't keep buyin hollows? Standards or Ti seem to be what you need? Or a diet?

Ha, I guess I set myself up for that, and it's true that I'm decidedly heavier than the average skater. I'm more of a Cordano than a Villani though  .

On a more serious note, up until now I was under the impression that hollow axles were actually stronger than solid ones due to some material science that I'm too dumb to understand. A quick Google search leads me to heated debates about the validity of that statement, which I'm also too dumb to follow along. So I guess I should just buy solid Ventures and see for myself.

never met a truck i didn’t bend

That's probably the black pill answer I need to warm up to.

Crisis averted, I'll stay awake. Thanks, pals.

[BeachChicken]

The explanation is basic- a hollow axle means that more total surface area is heat treated, which provides strength. The heat can treat the "inside" of the axle tube vs only the outside.

I will say that I have not bent a modern Indy hollow, but I have bent Thunder solid, Venture solid, Venture hollow, and an Indy Ti. I think some bend is just likely to happen.

[HyperBeam]

i think the argument for hollow is that with a standard axle the resistance to bending  is equal to the resistance of the opposite side of the axle to contract. on a bent solid axle, one side distends while the opposite contracts (ie crumples). with a hollow axle the number of edges that need to distend and contract to produce a bend is multiplied by 2. on a bent hollow axle you have 1)bent exterior axle, 2)contracted interior axle, 3)bent interior axle, and 4)contracted exterior axle. that requires 4 points of failure rather than 2. simple math.

[BeachChicken]

Would gnar you if I could