new Vans models

[Atiba Applebum]

Thanks guys.

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What’s the issue with rowley and the reluctance to support?

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Well, he's... Rowley. He used to be one of my favorites from the mid 90s to the Sorry era but he's come across as the kind of person I'd rather not support since.

has gone from being a vegan
to "stalking" animals
to killing them for conservation sake
to seemingly enjoying shooting them for killing sake

[Scab Picker]

Rowley tried to brush off his vegan phase by saying that he only used synthetic materials because they’re more durable. However, aside from the Dime, white/navy, and 25th anniversary colorways of the XLT, the rest of the colorways have been real suede or nubuck. If synthetic materials are more durable, why is he putting out shoes that aren’t synth? He either lied about his reasons to avoid getting ridiculed by the hunting community, or Vans doesn’t want people to get more than 2-3 weeks out of a pair.

Anyways, I noticed that Corey Glick and Nick Michel posted clips skating the newest Chukka colorway and called it the “Cardiel Chukka.” None of the shops that have them for sale mention anything about Cardiel, unlike colorways for Beatrice and Berle. Does Cardiel get royalties or is it just being called that because of the color of the uppers?

[Mbrimson88]

Rowley tried to brush off his vegan phase by saying that he only used synthetic materials because they’re more durable. However, aside from the Dime, white/navy, and 25th anniversary colorways of the XLT, the rest of the colorways have been real suede or nubuck. If synthetic materials are more durable, why is he putting out shoes that aren’t synth? He either lied about his reasons to avoid getting ridiculed by the hunting community, or Vans doesn’t want people to get more than 2-3 weeks out of a pair.

Anyways, I noticed that Corey Glick and Nick Michel posted clips skating the newest Chukka colorway and called it the “Cardiel Chukka.” None of the shops that have them for sale mention anything about Cardiel, unlike colorways for Beatrice and Berle. Does Cardiel get royalties or is it just being called that because of the color of the uppers?

Guessing it might be more from the interest in this pic of him wearing that colourway back in 1991 or so.

I just found it from google that a shop had snipped the pic from where ever with no other info as to where it originally came from, but that is my guess anyway.


Cardiel, '91. BK photo.





* I saved the pic as 1992, but saw later it was shown to be 1991.

[Mbrimson88]

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Also this article, which has a special mention (from 2016):


https://sneakernews.com/2016/11/02/vans-50th-anniversary-pro-classics-collection-full-cab-john-cardiel-ray-barbee-geoff-rowley/


The collection is led by the return of the Full Cab, Caballero’s first signature model that would later be cut down to become the ubiquitous Half Cab, which is re-issued in its OG burgundy and grey snakeskin embossed suede colorway. The rest of the Pro Classics collection is rounded out with a brown/black Chukka Boot notably worn by John Cardiel, a white/black Old Skool worn by Ray Barbee, and an all-black colorway of Geoff Rowley’s game-changing Rowley Pro.





I guess people just refer to that colourway as the "Cardiel shoe" more often than not.

[moonordie]

Thanks guys.

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What’s the issue with rowley and the reluctance to support?

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Well, he's... Rowley. He used to be one of my favorites from the mid 90s to the Sorry era but he's come across as the kind of person I'd rather not support since.

Exactly this.
From English lad to gringo redneck is too much of a change.

[scab]

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What’s the issue with rowley and the reluctance to support?

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Well, he's... Rowley. He used to be one of my favorites from the mid 90s to the Sorry era but he's come across as the kind of person I'd rather not support since.

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Exactly this.
From English lad to gringo redneck is too much of a change.

I'll always have a soft spot for the XLTs because I learned how to kickflip in those, but I'm not gonna pay 129 euros to support thin blue line era Rowley.

[Texas_Tone]

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Rowley tried to brush off his vegan phase by saying that he only used synthetic materials because they’re more durable. However, aside from the Dime, white/navy, and 25th anniversary colorways of the XLT, the rest of the colorways have been real suede or nubuck. If synthetic materials are more durable, why is he putting out shoes that aren’t synth? He either lied about his reasons to avoid getting ridiculed by the hunting community, or Vans doesn’t want people to get more than 2-3 weeks out of a pair.

Anyways, I noticed that Corey Glick and Nick Michel posted clips skating the newest Chukka colorway and called it the “Cardiel Chukka.” None of the shops that have them for sale mention anything about Cardiel, unlike colorways for Beatrice and Berle. Does Cardiel get royalties or is it just being called that because of the color of the uppers?

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Guessing it might be more from the interest in this pic of him wearing that colourway back in 1991 or so.

I just found it from google that a shop had snipped the pic from where ever with no other info as to where it originally came from, but that is my guess anyway.


Cardiel, '91. BK photo.





* I saved the pic as 1992, but saw later it was shown to be 1991.

Have been rewatching Tim and Henry’s a lot lately, will be copping those chukkas, gonna get my Tim on heavy at the curb spot near my house

[radcunt]

Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

[CronsX]

Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[radcunt]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

Cheers, saved me $85

[Mbrimson88]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[radcunt]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

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Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[thehogsniper]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[Mbrimson88]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

[close]

Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

[Texas_Tone]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

[close]

Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[close]

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

I really wish they’d just stop with all the extra shit and just give us the classic construction they used to have, I’d prolly still be wearing vans

[Buster_Poosey]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

[close]

Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[close]

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

[close]

I really wish they’d just stop with all the extra shit and just give us the classic construction they used to have, I’d prolly still be wearing vans

I bought a pair of brand new OG half cabs, they ones you’d get from the outlet mall for $40, off a dude from offer up and they were 100x better than the pro or skate versions. I hate the skate half cabs, the duracap around the toe is way too thick, and the shoe takes way longer to break in

[turbo 2.0]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[close]

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

[close]

I really wish they’d just stop with all the extra shit and just give us the classic construction they used to have, I’d prolly still be wearing vans

+1. Classic vans were my favorite shoe, I just wish they would have fixed how fast the sole wears through. All the extra shit they’ve done is just that, extra shit. They never fixed the core issue and I’ll be damned if I spend more money on a pro version just to fix perceived issues no one ever had.

[Sila]

Anyone had a pair of the skate Chukka mids? Wondering how they hold up. Thought I swore off Vans but I always had a soft spot for that shoe

[MikeX]

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

[close]

Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[close]

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

[close]

I really wish they’d just stop with all the extra shit and just give us the classic construction they used to have, I’d prolly still be wearing vans

[close]

+1. Classic vans were my favorite shoe, I just wish they would have fixed how fast the sole wears through. All the extra shit they’ve done is just that, extra shit. They never fixed the core issue and I’ll be damned if I spend more money on a pro version just to fix perceived issues no one ever had.

They do address this with the skate versions though, the sole is thicker than the classic version, and there's rubber underlay to prevent your socks from getting holes once the suede wears through. What are the core issues you're referring to? Personally I find that the skate versions are stiffer too, which translates to more stability.

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

[close]

Cheers, saved me $85

[close]

Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

[close]

I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

[close]

popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

[close]

Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

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I really wish they’d just stop with all the extra shit and just give us the classic construction they used to have, I’d prolly still be wearing vans

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+1. Classic vans were my favorite shoe, I just wish they would have fixed how fast the sole wears through. All the extra shit they’ve done is just that, extra shit. They never fixed the core issue and I’ll be damned if I spend more money on a pro version just to fix perceived issues no one ever had.

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They do address this with the skate versions though, the sole is thicker than the classic version, and there's rubber underlay to prevent your socks from getting holes once the suede wears through. What are the core issues you're referring to? Personally I find that the skate versions are stiffer too, which translates to more stability.

I blow through the soles on the skate versions just as fast as I blow through the soles on classic vans. The rubber underlay is nice, but that’s also why shoe goo exists and I’ve never had any stability issues regardless of the shoe. The sole is always the point of failure in my experience, no matter how thick they make it.

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Did anyone ever skate the Ave 2.0?  They’re 55% off and I kinda wanna cop. Looking for something comfy that’ll be ok with my flat feet.

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Skated both versions, knit and non knit. Knit one is too unstable for my likings.
The non knit feels basically like the old AVE with a better sole construction but the shoe is so narrow, even for Vans standards.
Sizing up didnt work since the shoe just got longer, not wider.
Had three Sessions in them and had to sell them.
And i dont even got especially wide feet.
So my guess would be for flat feet the shoe wont work also.

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Cheers, saved me $85

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Yeah even just trying them on I could tell they were not going to fit me.

I have flat feet, not wide feet, but they were not comfortable to me, whereas other shoes without the tech seem to fit way better, or at the very least are more comfortable.

I can't wear any shoes with the new pro / skate insoles either, but other older Vans insoles work great in almost any shoes I put them in, as do some other brands that have more a flat footbed shape.

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I thought I was going nuts as the newer vans hurt my feet but the older ones don’t. I’ve discovered in my search for a more supportive and protective shoe that probably due to years of abuse my feet still enjoy thin, unstructured vulcs. Basic last resorts vm001 are really comfy to me. Wild stuff.

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popcush really fucks with your biomechanics. my gait really got messed up when I used to wear those everyday. part of the issue is that to fit the insole into the newer vans they had to cut down on the thickness of the outsole and shave down the footbed, so you've got a lot of squish under your foot but little stiffness that makes it feel supportive to your knees.

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Always interesting to hear these sort of things.

I don't see too many insoles / footbeds out there now that really work for me, so it is a good thing I still have a lot of the TNT2 and similar era Vans footbeds I can use over and over again, from back around 2005 to 2010.

Maybe the most similar one now is the Last Resort yellow one, which felt pretty good when I tried on a pair when they first came out.

There are others out there too, but I need a flatter fit, not heavily contoured, can still be a little higher in the heel than the toe, but all the same material, not like the Vans Grosso 3D or other sports insoles that often have the hard plastic round the edge or any other options, gel insert or whatever.

Some more that come to mind that seemed very similar were the Gravis insoles, as well as some older Globe ones (yellow), the older thicker Emerica (green) ones, also some from Habitat shoes, Diamond shoes and a couple more I can't recall at this point.  Others like Footprint, Remind and specific skate ones also just don't work for me.


All the joys of making things work or modifying shoes, such as pulling out any of the plain Vans Classic shoe footbeds and putting in these old Pro ones and I am good to go, more so than buying the pro shoes or Skate range now.

The introduction of popcush is when Vans lost me in the core line of shoes. I find it’s just mushy material that offers me zero support and only works to negatively impact my body. It seems to throw my body out of alignment and causes me pain just standing around much less after a session. I can use aftermarket insoles with rigid arch support to keep my medium arch where it needs to be but even that is frustrating when NB is making shoes with a midsole shaped to take care of this already. I do like the Rowan2 and Ave2 because they seem to have the correct support built into the structure do the shoe.

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popcush feels like shit and makes me wanna cut my toes off and get them replaced with beans made of steel

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Damn, sorry yallz have such a bad time with Vans.
I like all the Vans insoles I’ve had, I including Popcush, but the best were whichever ones had that extra blue squishy piece under the heel. My only issue was when they fucked up the Pro (or was it when it switched to Skate?) slip ons fit (one of my all time fave shoes) and I can’t wear them anymore. I have one pair of the OTW line’s Authentics for chilling which also have a nice insole, so when I have some cash I might order a pair of OTW slips to see if that can be a stand in place of the Skate slip ons since they are unwearable for me…

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The Safe low back for Fall 25
3 different CWs

[Atiba Applebum]

The MC / Safe low back for Fall 25
3 different CWs

Both?   That’s great!

[BALARGUE]

I'm talking about only one model.
Maybe using the term MC is wrong but in the Vans catalog it's called the Safe Low Skate

[Atiba Applebum]

I'm talking about only one model.
Maybe using the term MC is wrong but in the Vans catalog it's called the Safe Low Skate

Ok gotcha.  Makes more sense.   It’s the one the palace vans riders had a c/w of

[finecojeffe]

Safe low back for Fall 25
3 different CWs

any pics?

[DERBY]

popcush feels like shit and makes me wanna cut my toes off and get them replaced with beans made of steel

pop cush feels like sleep paralysis

[franc]

The MC / Safe low back for Fall 25
3 different CWs

Tell me at least one of them has a white sole. Please.