new Vans models

[DeanMaple]

Eras never needed tongue straps

[tangar]

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This thread getting no traction or has this forum been dead lately?
 
Anyway anyone skating the new Era's vulc or cup?

The halfcab wafflecup is a good time.

I always loved the look of Eras but they killed me in the past

Hoping the new ones are somewhat comfortable

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I’m tempted but the new era cup but they look bulkier to me. Love eras. But I’m CURRENtly skating the caples
I’m really enjoying them so far. They feel more solid than the old skools I was skating. The grip is nice too

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The era cup reminds me of AVEs first vans shoe

That’s a good call. I had some black and teal alien collabo ones. I got the brown and black pair and I am hyped to lace them after reading the last page. Someone mentioned slip on waffle cups. Those also exist as BMX versions. I never tried any, but I’m sure they’ll make skate ones soon. Theyd be stupid not to.

[franc]

Have any of you tried those Old Skool Wafflecups?

I ordered a pair of Era Wafflecups but had to send them back, they felt comfy but I couldn't deal with the bulkier fit and the way the sole looked bothered me. Seems like that would be less of an issue with the Old Skools.

Any opinions on these? Thanks my friends.

[Snackbar]

Have any of you tried those Old Skool Wafflecups?

I ordered a pair of Era Wafflecups but had to send them back, they felt comfy but I couldn't deal with the bulkier fit and the way the sole looked bothered me. Seems like that would be less of an issue with the Old Skools.

Any opinions on these? Thanks my friends.

I had the opposite reaction, I ordered and sent back the old school wafflecups as to me they looked too orthepedic. They feel good though, I just couldn't handle the looks. The Era Wafflecups are more my style, plus the hidden lace loops are a bonus.

[franc]

Thanks. I love Skate Old Skools and Skate Eras and am trying hard to convince myself that those soles don't look how they look. Would have been so much better if Vans had used the Wafflecup sole they had on Crockett's shoe. I'll see if I can deal with how the Old Skool Wafflecup looks in person.

[franc]

Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

[GardenSkater77]

Thanks. I love Skate Old Skools and Skate Eras and am trying hard to convince myself that those soles don't look how they look. Would have been so much better if Vans had used the Wafflecup sole they had on Crockett's shoe. I'll see if I can deal with how the Old Skool Wafflecup looks in person.

I am with you. In theory skate eras or old skools with waffle cup will take the edge off missing tricks with the regular vulc sole. My body can’t take vulcanized skate shoes anymore.

However, I am concerned that having a thin canvas shoe (era or old school) with a cup sole is a recipe for an ankle roll. My son has a pair of vans with a cup sole and they seem heavy to me. I think you would have to tie these shoes tight so they don’t feel heavy and unstable.

I totally get why you want these and I do as well. Maybe remove their bulky insole and replace with just a thin insole? That way you can get your foot closer to the ground. Better board feel and less chance to roll your ankle.

[franc]

Maybe remove their bulky insole and replace with just a thin insole? That way you can get your foot closer to the ground. Better board feel and less chance to roll your ankle.

Thanks man. I have to skate with custom orthotic insoles anyway and those are thinner then the regular Vans insoles.
I love vulcanized shoes and couldn't really skate in cupsoles anymore, I need that board feel. I had at least 15 pairs of Crocketts and that Wafflecup sole really works, it's a shame Vans had to change the fit of their classic silhouettes for this contemporary attempt at a better shoe.

[Mbrimson88]

Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

Ha damn I saw that pic first and thought that looked really good, then read all the posts and caught up, along with going to check pics of the wafflecup shoes too.

You are right about the look of those - a little too bulky looking and maybe more so with the coloured sole and the heel loop, but I know that is easy enough to cut off, going by past shoes like that.


I haven't tried any of the newer shoes on yet, but thankfully I don't really need any of them as I am still sitting on way too many Classic versions that I turn into pro versions with a bit of DIY effort, but that is what works for me, more so than buying the pro or skate versions now anyway.

I sent pics of the new Era shoes to a lot of people when I first saw them come up on here, but I still haven't seen any in person to try on and see how they fit, or the wafflecup versions of anything either.

Hopefully you can find something from the current stock to work for you.


* Not to be a dick, but I just realised I am wearing the Sk8 low shoes right now, an older pair, but still so good, as I got a lot of them too.  I know you were super keen on them, but then they discontinued them in the Skate range, which was rather unfortunate.  Such a comfortable shoe for me with my fat busted old ankles.

[franc]

but I just realised I am wearing the Sk8 low shoes right now, an older pair, but still so good, as I got a lot of them too.  I know you were super keen on them, but then they discontinued them in the Skate range, which was rather unfortunate.  Such a comfortable shoe for me with my fat busted old ankles.

Yeah man the Skate SK8 Lows were my favorites for a while, loved them. Been skating in Skate Half Cabs since, which are great but do take 6 or 7 sessions to break in for me. Crocketts were great too. Oh well.

I'll let you guys know what I think of those Old Skool Wafflecups.

[c-dock]

Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

These are practically the only changes I would make to the Old Skool too. And while I feel the wafflecup doesn't look terrible as is, it would be an upgrade to get rid of the brown rubber curving up to the side of the sole on the heel

[logjammin]

I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

[Plungerman]

man honestly some of the otw models and the non skate shoes they are dropping recently are kinda sick. prob won't be driven to actually cop a pair cause all i want are basic skateable classics but still feel like creatively they are moving in an intriguing direction. rather see them lean into the street wear thing and away from the corny collabs and colorways

[GardenSkater77]

I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

[logjammin]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

[GardenSkater77]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

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that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

They didn’t used to do that on the skate version of the skate hi. Maybe they changed the sole type over the last 5 years since I bought the skate highs.

[Mbrimson88]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

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that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

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They didn’t used to do that on the skate version of the skate hi. Maybe they changed the sole type over the last 5 years since I bought the skate highs.

I can't say for all of them, but they have definitely reduced the waffle sole in size over recent years, some maybe more than others, as some of the special range were so very narrow at the point of the rubber sole, compared to the rest of the shoe, so much so that some people were saying they had way more chance of ankle roll because of it and had to put in a thinner insole to counteract the height.

This pic is a good example, as most of the older shoes I have the white trim is way more straight up and down |___| when compared to the new ones which is more like this \___/ but I don't know to what extent they have implemented that on any newer shoes.


https://www.vans.com.au/premium-old-skool-36-vn00cqdba2-blk.html

[GardenSkater77]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

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that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

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They didn’t used to do that on the skate version of the skate hi. Maybe they changed the sole type over the last 5 years since I bought the skate highs.

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I can't say for all of them, but they have definitely reduced the waffle sole in size over recent years, some maybe more than others, as some of the special range were so very narrow at the point of the rubber sole, compared to the rest of the shoe, so much so that some people were saying they had way more chance of ankle roll because of it and had to put in a thinner insole to counteract the height.

This pic is a good example, as most of the older shoes I have the white trim is way more straight up and down |___| when compared to the new ones which is more like this \___/ but I don't know to what extent they have implemented that on any newer shoes.


https://www.vans.com.au/premium-old-skool-36-vn00cqdba2-blk.html

I think you are onto something with the angle of the sidewall showing narrowness of the sole.

Have you ever skated ‘made for the makers’? They are like an improved version of the lifestyle line. You don’t get duracap but the insole looks pretty good.

They look wider than the skate line and maybe constructed better.

https://www.vans.com/en-us/p/shoes/icons/old-skool-5205/old-skool-mftm-series---iii-VN000MXPB9M

Box opening from Blue Tile Lounge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=5chg0QnjHsWzouLI&v=ryEEHGcZON0&feature=youtu.be

[Mbrimson88]

I think you are onto something with the angle of the sidewall showing narrowness of the sole.

Have you ever skated ‘made for the makers’? They are like an improved version of the lifestyle line. You don’t get duracap but the insole looks pretty good.

They look wider than the skate line and maybe constructed better.

https://www.vans.com/en-us/p/shoes/icons/old-skool-5205/old-skool-mftm-series---iii-VN000MXPB9M

Box opening from Blue Tile Lounge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=5chg0QnjHsWzouLI&v=ryEEHGcZON0&feature=youtu.be

Ha no I have never heard of or seen those, so that was new to me.

That was interesting to see the video, insole at 3:50 to 4:30 or so, in particular, but from the Vans shop listing, it is so very different to the last pic I posted with the super small waffle sole.

I think the regular or most older Classic and even older Pro and maybe Skate versions also had a much wider waffle sole or footprint too, from looking at a few pairs I have, but maybe not quite as wide as those, which do look good in the end width or floor footprint.

Thanks for posting that link and video info.

[SwitchBenihana]

Vans takes years to make a cup version of shoes and chooses a heinously ugly sole that distorts the classic lines. NB did it right with the 306 cup.

[SwitchBenihana]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

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that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

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They didn’t used to do that on the skate version of the skate hi. Maybe they changed the sole type over the last 5 years since I bought the skate highs.

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I can't say for all of them, but they have definitely reduced the waffle sole in size over recent years, some maybe more than others, as some of the special range were so very narrow at the point of the rubber sole, compared to the rest of the shoe, so much so that some people were saying they had way more chance of ankle roll because of it and had to put in a thinner insole to counteract the height.

This pic is a good example, as most of the older shoes I have the white trim is way more straight up and down |___| when compared to the new ones which is more like this \___/ but I don't know to what extent they have implemented that on any newer shoes.


https://www.vans.com.au/premium-old-skool-36-vn00cqdba2-blk.html

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I think you are onto something with the angle of the sidewall showing narrowness of the sole.

Have you ever skated ‘made for the makers’? They are like an improved version of the lifestyle line. You don’t get duracap but the insole looks pretty good.

They look wider than the skate line and maybe constructed better.

https://www.vans.com/en-us/p/shoes/icons/old-skool-5205/old-skool-mftm-series---iii-VN000MXPB9M

Box opening from Blue Tile Lounge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=5chg0QnjHsWzouLI&v=ryEEHGcZON0&feature=youtu.be

I have had probably a dozen pairs of these and would never skate in them. They have a lugged non slip sole for working in kitchens.

[GardenSkater77]

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I noticed vans makes wide fits in the classic old skool, slips, sk8 his and authentics. anyone ever try them? my feet aren't particularly wide but I thought maybe stacking a supportive insole in there would be feasible since there'd be more room? I'm not a fan of the insoles that come in the skate line, way too tall in the heel.

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The problem with Vans wide shoes (and I have somewhat wide flat feet) is that the heel is also wide. I find the skate hi sole to be wider than almost all other Vans skate shoes. If you get a pair of skate hi or skate mid you won’t need a wide. you can put a thick insole in and still have plenty of room. The key is to get a pair that comes with their skate insole because it is easily removable. You will have plenty space to add an insole to your liking. Total comfort with great flex and board feel.

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that's funny you mentioned the sk8 hi's because I was looking at those specifically. I want a high top and blazer hi's just felt too much like boots when I tried skating them last summer. and I don't dig any of the other high tops on the market right now. I would go for the skate line and just take out the insoles, but the last feels slimmer compared to the classics. just sucks that the stock glued-in insole is garbage. I'll try a thin one on top of that in some classic sk8 hi's and see how it goes. thanks man.

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They didn’t used to do that on the skate version of the skate hi. Maybe they changed the sole type over the last 5 years since I bought the skate highs.

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I can't say for all of them, but they have definitely reduced the waffle sole in size over recent years, some maybe more than others, as some of the special range were so very narrow at the point of the rubber sole, compared to the rest of the shoe, so much so that some people were saying they had way more chance of ankle roll because of it and had to put in a thinner insole to counteract the height.

This pic is a good example, as most of the older shoes I have the white trim is way more straight up and down |___| when compared to the new ones which is more like this \___/ but I don't know to what extent they have implemented that on any newer shoes.


https://www.vans.com.au/premium-old-skool-36-vn00cqdba2-blk.html

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I think you are onto something with the angle of the sidewall showing narrowness of the sole.

Have you ever skated ‘made for the makers’? They are like an improved version of the lifestyle line. You don’t get duracap but the insole looks pretty good.

They look wider than the skate line and maybe constructed better.

https://www.vans.com/en-us/p/shoes/icons/old-skool-5205/old-skool-mftm-series---iii-VN000MXPB9M

Box opening from Blue Tile Lounge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=5chg0QnjHsWzouLI&v=ryEEHGcZON0&feature=youtu.be

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I have had probably a dozen pairs of these and would never skate in them. They have a lugged non slip sole for working in kitchens.

Thanks. I just assumed that all Vans shoes could be skated. Too bad, they look well made.

[franc]

Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

I pulled the trigger and kept those Old Skool Wafflecups I just got as they feel comfy and I want to know how I can skate in them. I love Old Skools but they're not protective enough for my old feet, we'll see how these feel.

I tried to spray paint the sole but the texture on the stupid brown and green parts made that hard so I colored it with an edding 8050 tyre marker and the result is pretty decent in my book. I got rid of the heel loop too, of course. I'm going to wear those to work for a minute, I'll start skating in them when my Skate Half Cabs will be done.

[GardenSkater77]

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Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

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I pulled the trigger and kept those Old Skool Wafflecups I just got as they feel comfy and I want to know how I can skate in them. I love Old Skools but they're not protective enough for my old feet, we'll see how these feel.

I tried to spray paint the sole but the texture on the stupid brown and green parts made that hard so I colored it with an edding 8050 tyre marker and the result is pretty decent in my book. I got rid of the heel loop too, of course. I'm going to wear those to work for a minute, I'll start skating in them when my Skate Half Cabs will be done.

Nice cat. What about something like this under your sock…

https://www.tommiecopper.com/arch-ankle-support-sleeve-mens/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23634709877&gbraid=0AAAAADtjgm4-uZtJx-M3U5HaYyfq4i-fV&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt4fgotjPkwMVvUL_AR13YBtTEAQYAiABEgJ3wvD_BwE

[Murge]

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Alright a quick Photoshop job makes them seem a million times better if you spray paint the brown and green parts of the sole and get rid of that heel loop.

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I pulled the trigger and kept those Old Skool Wafflecups I just got as they feel comfy and I want to know how I can skate in them. I love Old Skools but they're not protective enough for my old feet, we'll see how these feel.

I tried to spray paint the sole but the texture on the stupid brown and green parts made that hard so I colored it with an edding 8050 tyre marker and the result is pretty decent in my book. I got rid of the heel loop too, of course. I'm going to wear those to work for a minute, I'll start skating in them when my Skate Half Cabs will be done.

You did a good job. They look so much better now. Gives me hope when I get some I can make them look normal too. Ha

[franc]

Nice cat. What about something like this under your sock…

https://www.tommiecopper.com/arch-ankle-support-sleeve-mens/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23634709877&gbraid=0AAAAADtjgm4-uZtJx-M3U5HaYyfq4i-fV&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt4fgotjPkwMVvUL_AR13YBtTEAQYAiABEgJ3wvD_BwE

Thanks! I have custom orthotic insoles in all my shoes and don't need anything else really. The canvas upper of Old Skools isn't enough for me but that's personal preference (and I suppose 36 years of skating took its toll on my feet).

[franc]

You did a good job. They look so much better now. Gives me hope when I get some I can make them look normal too. Ha

Thanks man! You'll be able to make them look kinda normal easily. Get the right pen and it won't take you more than 10 minutes. Keep us posted.

[Mbrimson88]

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Today I got out and went to a few other shops and got to see the new Era and Old Skool you guys had posted above, but didn't have time to try them on or anything else.

They sure are quite stiff in the body, compared to the basic vulc options, which one would expect, so I think they would hold up better, but might also take a little more time to break in or get used to.

I would definitely have to change out the insole to something that would work better for me, but it is easy enough too, so I wonder if some of those people who would run thinner or softer insoles would agree with those shoes, or they might not be so painful underfoot.

Maybe the only thing I thought was funny was the change of materials on the side, but I guess I am pretty simple in that regard - just suede when or where I can or canvas if they must, but that other mixed material is a bit funny to me - is it rubber composite or something else?

Lastly, I could definitely see the sole colours you guys are talking about, when the shoe was on the rack in front of me, but when I am looking down on it as if I was wearing it, I don't really see anything besides the black toe and white trim round the front, so it might not be quite as funny as when we see the side on pics here too.


* Yeah that last line, from someone who sprays his sale shoes black on top and keeps the plain white trim nice and clean...  Who am I kidding?

[franc]

I like the change of materials, makes the shoe seem more solid, and canvas certainly doesn't last long if you skate like me (low impact stuff but I ollie into most tricks). I wore my custom Old Skool Wafflecups to work yesterday and they were pretty comfy. I'll let you guys know how they skate with my custom orthotic insoles (which are thinner than the Pop Cush ones or whatever you get in the Skate line these days).

[MikeX]

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Today I got out and went to a few other shops and got to see the new Era and Old Skool you guys had posted above, but didn't have time to try them on or anything else.

They sure are quite stiff in the body, compared to the basic vulc options, which one would expect, so I think they would hold up better, but might also take a little more time to break in or get used to.

I would definitely have to change out the insole to something that would work better for me, but it is easy enough too, so I wonder if some of those people who would run thinner or softer insoles would agree with those shoes, or they might not be so painful underfoot.

Maybe the only thing I thought was funny was the change of materials on the side, but I guess I am pretty simple in that regard - just suede when or where I can or canvas if they must, but that other mixed material is a bit funny to me - is it rubber composite or something else?

Lastly, I could definitely see the sole colours you guys are talking about, when the shoe was on the rack in front of me, but when I am looking down on it as if I was wearing it, I don't really see anything besides the black toe and white trim round the front, so it might not be quite as funny as when we see the side on pics here too.


* Yeah that last line, from someone who sprays his sale shoes black on top and keeps the plain white trim nice and clean...  Who am I kidding?

First thing I do when I buy any vans skate shoe is replace the popcush, it makes your heel sit way too high and unstable with it being so cushy. Not to mention you get a way worse heel lock.