I finally caught up with everything posted in the vax thread and thank you for the apology on there. I thought some of what you said was kinda harsh, but didn’t take offense to it. You clearly care enough to take the time to cite info for your opinions and for that I thank you.
Since I said I wouldn’t continue the conversation on the thread I’ll hold true to that and send this to you on here.
I'm going to only continue the conversation in the thread, because there's really no reason to not continue it in the thread. I've cooled down by now, and while I'm doubting I can change your mind, I am hoping that a lurker who was on the fence reads all of the information I've put forward and decides to get the vaccine. I literally have nothing to gain by continuing to have this conversation in pms, nor do I see the point.
Pfizer expects to make 65 billion dollars for 2021 and 2022 from the vaccine. That’s a lot! https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-raises-covid-19-vaccine-sales-forecast-36-billion-2021-11-02/
The fact that Scott Gottlieb is on their board of directors after just working as the fda commissioner is fucking scary to me. Are you familiar with the term “regulatory capture”?
That is indeed a lot, and as I have said I think it's gross that they're using this as a means to make such an ungodly amount of money rather than just replacing their expenditures. But using how much they profited to say that's the only reason they're pushing the vaccine is the same as saying no doctor has ever cared about actually treating people since they've profited from it.
But at the end of the day you can't definitively prove why they are pushing the vaccine. You can use the fact that governments not related to the companies in any way are pushing the vaccine as well as evidence that it's likely not just profit, especially since they are losing money by encouraging their citizens to get vaxxed, but that's it.
I am familiar with the concept of regulatory capture, but someone moving from the public sector into the private sector is not an indicator. In industries that need to work closely with the government agencies, such as the FAA and aerospace companies, of which I can speak from first hand experience, there's a lot of movement of people from companies to the government agencies or vice versa. Realistically it's in your own best interest to move jobs every few years otherwise you'll only get cost of living raises.
Pfizer now says they’ll need 75 years to release the data for their vaccine. https://www.notlinkingtothisschlock.com
This seems insane to me.
Just a heads up, RT is a known propaganda outlet for Russia that frequently puts forth conspiracy theories, so not the best place to get your information.
The FDA did not say it would need 75 years to release the data. 329,000 pages of information were requested, and every single line of that text needs to be gone through with a fine toothed comb to see if there is any information that needs to be redacted because it's got personal information of participants in the trials or proprietary information specific to Pfizer. If they miss even one thing, they can be sued into oblivion essentially. So redacting information is super time consuming, far more time consuming than simply reading a report.
Due to the intensive nature of the ask, the FDA did say they would release 500 pages per month, every month, starting immediately. Realistically, they're actually doing pretty good on that request all things considered.
Also, you did compare it to the Black Death. So that’s not a straw man. “We could let the virus run its course and cull the population until there aren't enough people to transmit it and have it mutate effectively, thus stopping its propagation. That's what happened with the black death.”
Nowhere in there did I compare them; I didn't say this is just like the Black Death. What I did say is that the virus, like every other virus that causes death, will spread until the population gets to such a point that it cannot sustain itself anymore, and then will effectively "end". That doesn't mean the death toll will be the same nor did I say that. I used the Black Death because that's the most well known pre-inoculation pandemic that people know, and it illustrates the point well. Saying that I compared them is a straw man. But continuing to argue this point back and forth won't be fruitful.
Why not engage with my comments about ivermectin, and hydroxychlroquine? There is a lot of evidence that these work. My point was that we have effective treatments and it’s not about just letting the virus run its course. I think for those that are at risk they should take the necessary precautions and for everyone else who is not at risk and is in the 99.7% who survive they should be able to live their lives.
I ignored it because I thought it was bad faith because it seems like the information on these was widely known. It seems that I was mistaken on both counts.
The data
available shows
that hydroxychloroquine
has no
effect on
covid. It also is known that in high doses it can have negative effects. Trying to use it to treat covid is like trying to use antacids to treat covid.
Likewise, ivermectin
has been
shown to
have no beneficial effect on covid, and is also dangerous in high doses.
People who are at risk, as well as people who are not, should get vaccinated to end the disease. There is no known method for ending the course of a virus prematurely short of being vaccinated and developing antibodies.
Also, if you are vaccinated, you are more easily able to live your life without worry, and the sooner we make it so we don't have to worry about covid, the sooner we can go back to normal.
I get that you think I’m an idiot and a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing does not make sense when a one size fits all approach is taken. I think we should be excited by the fact that omicron is mild and no one has died from it. Hopefully that can help get us to herd immunity and back to some semblance of normality.
I don't think you're an idiot. You are bordering on conspiracy theorist if you don't already fit the definition.
The thing is that a one-size-fits-all approach is the only thing that will work. This is a virus, not an individualized illness. Our bodies all work the same when it comes to fighting off viruses, and that is through antibodies. To develop the antibodies, we need to be vaccinated. Natural immunity is not as protective against the virus and do not last as long. Literally the only way to stop this virus and build a herd immunity is to be vaccinated.
I'll look at the rest of the stuff in this thread when I have a chance.
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