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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
and the rush to ignore this and wait for criminal proceedings that will absolutely never come is the most fucking useless thing you could do
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
i would say providing the accusers the right to be heard judgement free is important. as you may know, there are good and practical reasons for women and non-men whole-stepping around the law and judicial system for any number of reasons. because you’re clearly ornery, let’s go through some. these women may not believe in imprisonment, which is the end result of a criminal trial. they may not want to have to relive their trauma in front of complete strangers and then have the details of which argued by those strangers. they may not want to have police ignore them or outright deny their ability to press charges. they may not want to hear from police, prosecutors, juries, or lawyers about how it was their fault they were assaulted. they may not want to have years of their lives defined by a criminal trial connected to their trauma. there are a million other reasons too.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and
very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.