@useless_wooden_knowledge vs Evergreen Skateparks/Bad Park Design

[boi-cuzudo]

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Anyone skate Lebanon after the changes? I went there before the opening and didn't get to skate it but looks fun...

https://lebanonskatepark.org/

How about Silverton? Anyone skate that park too? I'm curious

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I've skated both.
Lebanon is fun.  The street zone was built by a local contractor.  Definitely fun, but a little quirky.  Spacing of some obstacles are weird.  There's an odd lump in front of a manual pad.  Most of the ledges have brick for their tops.  Some transitions are kinda odd.  But all of it is skateable.  The bowl seems to be built by a skatepark company.  It's a fun park.

It's been a while since I skated Silverton.  The bowl was fun, and it's nice that is has the little street path.  Feels well rounded for a tiny town's skatepark.

I think the street zone looks fun, definitely weird sized obstacles.

[Crusty Grundle]

Ventura, CA has two of the worst parks I have ever ridden! Whoever built them ought to be shot!

[cky enthusiast]

Ventura, CA has two of the worst parks I have ever ridden! Whoever built them ought to be shot!

had the worst week ever here once

[bigdave]

Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

[WavyDavy]

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This reminds me of a great thread I read here a *long* time ago, which I can no longer find, despite multiple searches. A poster here is some kind of expert on urban planning and design, and went into detail about why Love Park was changed from a dynamic and interesting plaza that allowed people to congregate for multiple purposes into a boring, pancake flat eyesore. The thrust being that yes, the design is intentional, because cities and the people who police them now see large, unorganized gatherings as a thing that should be interrupted and arrested where possible, and a flat plaza with few openings serves much better for their current intended use, which is "official" events like charity runs and festivals, where someone leases out the park and charges admission. As an added benefit, the authorities can now see everything going on in the park, so no one can get away with something nefarious like drinking in public.

I did a shitty job explaining it, but if someone can dig up that thread, I would appreciate it and I think it would be relevant to the conversation.

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Same, I'll sleuth around the internet, there's gotta be some Lefebvre-citing dissertation on the subject out there somewhere.

Also, the language used by Philly's tourism marketing agency to explain what still attracts people to LOVE, now that skateboarding and loitering have been policed out of existence, would be pretty humorous if it weren't for the violent passion for the most mediocre version of reality behind it...

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LOVE Park is designed to let visitors and vendors use the space as needed, creating an environment that brings together world travelers, lunchtime snackers, sunbathers, fitness buffs and performers. Major renovations completed in 2018 put the LOVE sculpture at the center of the park, creating plenty of photo-ready opportunities. A new fountain with programmable jets and lights is also selfie-worthy.

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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=101886.msg2885139#msg2885139

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cico.12454

[Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein]

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This reminds me of a great thread I read here a *long* time ago, which I can no longer find, despite multiple searches. A poster here is some kind of expert on urban planning and design, and went into detail about why Love Park was changed from a dynamic and interesting plaza that allowed people to congregate for multiple purposes into a boring, pancake flat eyesore. The thrust being that yes, the design is intentional, because cities and the people who police them now see large, unorganized gatherings as a thing that should be interrupted and arrested where possible, and a flat plaza with few openings serves much better for their current intended use, which is "official" events like charity runs and festivals, where someone leases out the park and charges admission. As an added benefit, the authorities can now see everything going on in the park, so no one can get away with something nefarious like drinking in public.

I did a shitty job explaining it, but if someone can dig up that thread, I would appreciate it and I think it would be relevant to the conversation.

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Same, I'll sleuth around the internet, there's gotta be some Lefebvre-citing dissertation on the subject out there somewhere.

Also, the language used by Philly's tourism marketing agency to explain what still attracts people to LOVE, now that skateboarding and loitering have been policed out of existence, would be pretty humorous if it weren't for the violent passion for the most mediocre version of reality behind it...

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LOVE Park is designed to let visitors and vendors use the space as needed, creating an environment that brings together world travelers, lunchtime snackers, sunbathers, fitness buffs and performers. Major renovations completed in 2018 put the LOVE sculpture at the center of the park, creating plenty of photo-ready opportunities. A new fountain with programmable jets and lights is also selfie-worthy.

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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=101886.msg2885139#msg2885139

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cico.12454

Thanks for the links
I had access to the full love park article via my school : https://file.io/q5LcnWd1H3wq

[manysnakes]

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This reminds me of a great thread I read here a *long* time ago, which I can no longer find, despite multiple searches. A poster here is some kind of expert on urban planning and design, and went into detail about why Love Park was changed from a dynamic and interesting plaza that allowed people to congregate for multiple purposes into a boring, pancake flat eyesore. The thrust being that yes, the design is intentional, because cities and the people who police them now see large, unorganized gatherings as a thing that should be interrupted and arrested where possible, and a flat plaza with few openings serves much better for their current intended use, which is "official" events like charity runs and festivals, where someone leases out the park and charges admission. As an added benefit, the authorities can now see everything going on in the park, so no one can get away with something nefarious like drinking in public.

I did a shitty job explaining it, but if someone can dig up that thread, I would appreciate it and I think it would be relevant to the conversation.

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Same, I'll sleuth around the internet, there's gotta be some Lefebvre-citing dissertation on the subject out there somewhere.

Also, the language used by Philly's tourism marketing agency to explain what still attracts people to LOVE, now that skateboarding and loitering have been policed out of existence, would be pretty humorous if it weren't for the violent passion for the most mediocre version of reality behind it...

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LOVE Park is designed to let visitors and vendors use the space as needed, creating an environment that brings together world travelers, lunchtime snackers, sunbathers, fitness buffs and performers. Major renovations completed in 2018 put the LOVE sculpture at the center of the park, creating plenty of photo-ready opportunities. A new fountain with programmable jets and lights is also selfie-worthy.

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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=101886.msg2885139#msg2885139

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cico.12454

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Thanks for the links
I had access to the full love park article via my school : https://file.io/q5LcnWd1H3wq

THANK YOU. This was the conversation I was trying to recall. Bookmarking now, but honestly everyone should read it. In particular nosporlactune's post

[Blueabyssofthisss]

The perfect park:

Damn I miss skating here. So many good memories. El mirage is another great Phoenix park. 
The perfect park is Northglenn in CO

[Bizarro Jerry]

I'll take a nicely built box and a parking block in a old tennis court over nearly anything

[Miserable Old Sack of Shit]

Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

Holy shit! That park is so bad/weird that if I just happened upon it, it wouldn't immediately register as a skatepark and not just some random drainage ditch thing.

[bigdave]

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Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

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Holy shit! That park is so bad/weird that if I just happened upon it, it wouldn't immediately register as a skatepark and not just some random drainage ditch thing.

Truly I think thats what everyone does.

[Cash bandicoot]

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Now people know how I felt when our city wasted $3million on a fucking skate plaza.

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Care to show us your local plaza?

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Google “Paines Skatepark”.

I don’t even hate Paines as much as some people but it was still a stupid amount of money with a lot less to show for than any other big ticket skatepark. The transition elements weren’t even supposed to be there because a bunch of Love Park guys thought “it would look bad when filming”. To the extent those guys ever skate Paines it’s usually only for the old Love Park benches which could have been dropped on a slab anywhere.

We ended up with a poorly executed mishmash that architects were high fiveing themselves over that probably cost more per square foot than any other skatepark ever. For that price we could have gotten an Arvada, Linda Vista, D-Park, etc. There are also plenty of smaller footprint plaza parks like SOMA or LES that offer more to skate.


At any rate, builders should thoughtfully try to include as many styles as feasible but it seems inevitable that feelings will get hurt either way.

I feel you dude. Paines is just not that fun, 9th and poplar diy is the move.

[LostBearings]

I'll take a nicely built box and a parking block in a old tennis court over nearly anything

"Men only want one two things and it's disgusting"

[Bam Fan 69]

[DaleSr]

Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

I see you haven't been acquainted with the Temecula skate park located in Ronald Wilson Reagan park. Garbage skate park for a garbage president and all over bad person.

[bigdave]

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Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

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I see you haven't been acquainted with the Temecula skate park located in Ronald Wilson Reagan park. Garbage skate park for a garbage president and all over bad person.

No dude that is -literally, objectively, and ostensibly- 1,000 times better than Brea Olinda. Reagan sucks ass tho.

[DaleSr]

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Worst park? Nah. Brea Olinda Ranch skatepark says hello.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x80dcd48620e4eef1%3A0x3ca86eafa035f58a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNYr23-2RJcOfG73CIc0u08iKoyUPGC3JFfQuk%3Dw130-h87-n-k-no!5sbrea%20skatepark%20carbon%20canyon%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOTp9wYGLhFUxBHN0sCXi_f25cIeY_hLpfkgc8P&hl=en

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I see you haven't been acquainted with the Temecula skate park located in Ronald Wilson Reagan park. Garbage skate park for a garbage president and all over bad person.

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No dude that is -literally, objectively, and ostensibly- 1,000 times better than Brea Olinda. Reagan sucks ass tho.

But do they charge admission like they do at Temecula?

[lemonchicken91]

Great debate here.

A good example of this is when I lived in college station, Texas. They had a smallish park there, but it had a long lane with various sized ledges, a granite ledge that was low and easy to learn on, and a manual pad.
Then in the bowl area there was a small accessible bowl and then an old school pool bowl separate w tile coping etc.

It wasn't the best laout but everyone had something and there was plenty of space if one area was occupied.

In my hometown of Corpus Christi, they built a sick looking park at this big park by the water, but the flow was weird so if you skated one obstacle you were in the way for someone skating another. Lots of collisions and confrontations.

[versacekid420]

lol at least you guys still have local parks to skate

[PuffinMuffin]

I present to you the crème de la crème of Ohio skateparks, and there isn't another one within 30 miles. Skate street? Everything is tar and chipped, your wheels will sink and your griptape will become a hot mess express. Neighbors will mutter obscenities as they give you the side-eye while you're pushing through a river of pebbles on your devil's plaything.

[DaleSr]

I present to you the crème de la crème of Ohio skateparks, and there isn't another one within 30 miles. Skate street? Everything is tar and chipped, your wheels will sink and your griptape will become a hot mess express. Neighbors will mutter obscenities as they give you the side-eye while you're pushing through a river of pebbles on your devil's plaything.

That is incredibly fucking bleak

[Freelancevagrant]

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I present to you the crème de la crème of Ohio skateparks, and there isn't another one within 30 miles. Skate street? Everything is tar and chipped, your wheels will sink and your griptape will become a hot mess express. Neighbors will mutter obscenities as they give you the side-eye while you're pushing through a river of pebbles on your devil's plaything.

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That is incredibly fucking bleak

This hurts my soul.

[cky enthusiast]

I present to you the crème de la crème of Ohio skateparks, and there isn't another one within 30 miles. Skate street? Everything is tar and chipped, your wheels will sink and your griptape will become a hot mess express. Neighbors will mutter obscenities as they give you the side-eye while you're pushing through a river of pebbles on your devil's plaything.

it’s wonderful to see your awkward skatepark stories w/ context. i pray u escape ohio someday


ps i love ur sig!! 

[quesly]

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Ventura, CA has two of the worst parks I have ever ridden! Whoever built them ought to be shot!

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had the worst week ever here once

Hobert is also one of the better parks in ventura, the worst one is pacific skatepark, its incredibly small and really the only time I would skate there is if I was looking for weed.

[cky enthusiast]

that weird non-bowl looks fun at least

[banksandledges]

This place will go round for round for worst park

[DaleSr]

This is my home park, old Carlsbad. Best worst skatepark in the world

[mtndewsk8r19]

Apparently evergreen is responsible for the new park in Lake Stevens, WA which explains why it's so bad(you have to go there to see what I mean). For me the perfect skatepark is in Battle Ground, its existence proves that it is possible to nail it with nothing fancy just a wide area with a street and transitition section for people of all abilities. My main gripe with new skateparks being built in the NW it's too much to ask for lights because Canada doesn't have the same problem

[DaleSr]

Apparently evergreen is responsible for the new park in Lake Stevens, WA which explains why it's so bad(you have to go there to see what I mean). For me the perfect skatepark is in Battle Ground, its existence proves that it is possible to nail it with nothing fancy just a wide area with a street and transitition section for people of all abilities. My main gripe with new skateparks being built in the NW it's too much to ask for lights because Canada doesn't have the same problem

Yo huge shout out to Battleground that park is sick

[burm]

Speaking of shitty skateparks, there was a hilarious (except for the locals) occurrence here lately where the city resurfaced a concrete park, but instead of concrete they went ahead and poured blacktop on everything. Apparently cost 100k Euros, and I kind of feel bad for the guys who clearly put some effort in shaping the asphalt on top of the obstacles, but this was going to end badly regardless. 




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