New Ace AF1 *Low* announced

[JugeL]

On the next episode of truck madness

[SlapMcKracken]

What’s the advantage of low trucks?
Would you ride smaller wheels and steeper decks with them?

Never had lows. I‘m thinking about getting these or wait till ace classics or af1‘s hollows will be out (what do you guys think when this will happen?)

[LebowskisRug]

Smaller, wheels, steeper decks, tail hits faster so it’s more responsive, lower center of gravity, also less to rotate around/more clearance on flip tricks.

Mostly people who just have skated a long time since low was normal.

[SlapMcKracken]

🤔
Medium / flat kicks decks suck with them compared to high trucks?

What size are still considered small wheels? Up to 53?

Could those be skated with hard bones bushings?

[Xen]

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Medium / flat kicks decks suck with them compared to high trucks?

What size are still considered small wheels? Up to 53?

Could those be skated with hard bones bushings?

These days 51mm and under are considered small.

52 is the standard

[SlapMcKracken]

Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.


Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.

[Xen]

Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.


Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.

Probably another 10g?

[Sk.A.T.A.N]

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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.


Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.

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Probably another 10g?

Since the Ace Hollow will be the same approach as the Indy hollow (standard baseplate), I guess we can make a comparison:

Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g

Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g

[palelight]

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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.


Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.

[close]

Probably another 10g?

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Since the Ace Hollow will be the same approach as the Indy hollow (standard baseplate), I guess we can make a comparison:

Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g

Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g

Aren't Ace Hollows just going to be hollow kingpins though? All the pics so far still have solid axles. 

[Sk.A.T.A.N]

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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.


Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.

[close]

Probably another 10g?

[close]

Since the Ace Hollow will be the same approach as the Indy hollow (standard baseplate), I guess we can make a comparison:

Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g

Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g

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Aren't Ace Hollows just going to be hollow kingpins though? All the pics so far still have solid axles.

[palelight]

Nice. Thanks for clarifying. Glad they changed their tune on this, when AF1's first dropped they definitely didn't sound like they had hollow anything in the works.

[drunkenshredder]

I messaged ACE and the rep. said the low's will be shipping to shops March 15th.

Negative...just got their spring order form and says mid April.

[Frank and Fred]

What about the 60s? Mid April also?

[big_kev_215]

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I messaged ACE and the rep. said the low's will be shipping to shops March 15th.

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Negative...just got their spring order form and says mid April.

Should be perfect timing for me to axel my current trucks and wear down my wheels to an acceptable size to skate loose low trucks and begin this new truck adventure. 

[Xen]

So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?

[rocklobster]

So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?

Ace is the new king of tease.

I'll try a pair, the Royal redesign convinced me that brands outside the big 3 are upping their game and are worth a shot.

[Xen]

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So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?

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Ace is the new king of tease.

I'll try a pair, the Royal redesign convinced me that brands outside the big 3 are upping their game and are worth a shot.

I wanted the to try the low, but if the AF1 is going full hollow, I'll bite; still digging the royals and really, 52mm (and some 50/51mm wheels) is low enough for me these days.

[GBLange]

60s..

[TheLowerBack]

Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?

[Xen]

Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?

Rumour is just the baseplate has been altered allowing you to use a regular hanger creating a 51ish(?) mid.

[LebowskisRug]

Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.

[rob]

Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.

Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?

While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry

[rocklobster]

Any release date in the pipes?

[Mbrimson88]

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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.

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Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?

While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry

My trucks are the same in everything regarding height and wheelbase except where the kingpin nut sits between normal top bushings and low top bushings.

That said I can feel a touch more stiffness with a lower top bushing, compared to a normal height top bushing, but that was not part of the question.


I would say changing the bottom bushing height will change everything.  Changing the top bushing will only change how the truck might feel to turn.

[intendedreceivers]

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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.

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Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?

While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry

You’re talking about the bushing closest to the deck when you say “bottom?”

If so, yeah, shortening it makes the truck lower and pulls in the wheelbase, but I would tread lightly (maybe 1mm difference at the most?). I’ve never improved the ride of a truck by drastically changing the geometry. You probably risk wearing out pivots, kingpins, and bushings faster, too. This mostly applies to Aces because they have the extra-tall bushings, and I’m not even sure what else you can get out of an Ace by bringing the wheelbase in closer.

[TheLowerBack]

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Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?

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Rumour is just the baseplate has been altered allowing you to use a regular hanger creating a 51ish(?) mid.

Just dm’d them (like a man).
We’ll see if they get back to me.

[LebowskisRug]

An Ace pro riding them told me this info, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has no fucking clue.

[jamersonbass]

Has anyone tried the hard bushings?  I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling.  If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.

[intendedreceivers]

Has anyone tried the hard bushings?  I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling.  If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.

I have them in my AF1 44s. Feels like more of a medium to me. Still very turny, less wheelbite. I think I like them more than the regular ones, to be honest (stock Aces feel silly loose to me lol).

[Xen]

I ran Bones HArds in my OG Ace Lows everytime to help with wheelbite; plan on getting the ACE hard bushings for the lows as well (provided they make some, no idea if the bushings will 100% different or just the tops).