Gear madness support thread

[swongolianbbq]

 The Indy 159 - 60mm wheels - blue eagle combo was super fun, but I've decided to sell them and use the 58mm radials instead, on AF1 60's.

I keep my "anti-madness" board around but realized I like the wide/square wheels and aces a lot. Cody Chapman footage got me feeling some type of way. Man can that guy kickflip.

Anti-madness board is an 8.25 og baker, Indy 149's, 54mm spitfire classic shape.

Current board I'm having fun on: ace AF1 55's, 54mm spitfire conical full 97's or radial 93's, easy rider blue eagle 8.5

I have a set of 58mm radial 93's that need a setup, I want to put em on a baker og 8.475 or DBX 8.5 eagle, and AF1 60's with 1/8" risers

Things I want to try: radial full 97's in 54 and 58, conical full 97's in 58


Edit: decided fuck it and put the 58mm radials on the AF1 55's with no risers, gonna skate that tomorrow if it stops raining. This puts them at the same height as indys with 54's I think

[swongolianbbq]

Holy shit, I fuckin solved my rampant madness of the past few weeks.

Realized that I don't need wider trucks or riser pads to use bigger wheels, and that I kinda prefer 58's to 60's anyway

Full circle ten years later hahah, when I first moved to Montana I was on 149's and 54's and 8.5 dlx boards.. I wanted bigger wheels within that first year, found some 57mm spitfires at a thrift store on a complete setup for like $8.99, and just slapped em on there. That worked and still does. When I moved again I sold my boards with big wheels, by then I had moved up to 159's.. Then like a year into living in Alaska I switched to aces... Last year I switched back to indys.. here I am again on the same shit as ten years ago 😆 just gonna leave it this time

Turns out all my madness pretty much hinges on whether I'm on Indy 149's or not

Can't do 159's, can't do 139's. Ace AF1 55's feel like they're 8.25". And I have to swap the bushings to the hard ones. And they're lower.

I think as long as I got an 8.5" with some 149's, I can fuck around with any kinda wheels I want and not need to use risers or anything. I have so much shit to get rid of hahah

I also don't really like the flick on LRABs or Vans, and chuck Taylor pros are kinda too thin for me, so I think I'm just gonna stick with blazer mids.

For the foreseeable future I'll be on blazer mids, the blue eagle shape with cast Indy 149s, and whatever wheels I feel like or the spot might require. This way I'm comfy and consistent but I can switch it up/scratch the madness itch with the wheels without changing the feel too much

[Existential Pie Sitch]

Got some madness, for no reason I got it in my head my stock Indy bushings were cursed/too stiff for some reason so I put my hard ace low bushings in my forged hollow

[Sedition]

The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."

How many days do you have? I am at like 7.

[swongolianbbq]

The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."

How many days do you have? I am at like 7.

Haha that's awesome

3 days sober from setup madness here

Skated some beluga sculptures on the side of the highway. The 58mm, indy 149, no risers combo works super well. Idk why I thought I needed wider trucks and risers just to use a wheel that only takes away like 2mm of clearance for wheelbite and grind space. Gonna just start collecting spitfire 93's and 97's in 54, 56, and 58. When I feel madness I can rock a different wheel.

 Also decided to keep my fastbreaks, chucks, and dunks so I can switch it up. I gotta set rules and boundaries for myself or I'll watch some video, get inspired and wanna try a bunch of other stuff, then I end up just going back to my same shit. It's like when I was wearing baggy tapered pants, like the Levi's 560's or whatever, but I'm too autistic for that shit cause I need pants that fit over boots or pants I can take off and on without taking my shoes off in certain scenarios it saves a lot of time esp if you wear high tops laced up.. my whole pants game rn is just 874's and b11's, b01's and shit. With the exception of my Filson and Patagonia shit but I don't skate in that

[BeachChicken]

I don't think it's unreasonable to think of things so long as ur not tempted and don't take action. Madness is like addiction you never quit you just take it 1 day at a time.

I'm pretty settled on trucks, wheels, and a home base shape or two. Curious to maybe try some other shapes but not interested in anything else. Only edge case is somehow T2's are magic and have durable bushings, but even then I am less interested in those than I am in normal Thunders.

[moonordie]

The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."

How many days do you have? I am at like 7.

40 days in here since 26.4

[rikki]

The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."

How many days do you have? I am at like 7.

Ha! One day at a time.

I'm at about a month now with my DLX 8.25 x 14.38 // Venture cast 5.6 // Spit 55 new duro 97 Radials.
Haven't felt this comfortable all around in a long time.

Madness looms, though, as I've got plans to set up a Baker b16 shape with Indy cast 149s....

[rocklobster]

I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.

[swongolianbbq]

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The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."

How many days do you have? I am at like 7.

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Ha! One day at a time.

I'm at about a month now with my DLX 8.25 x 14.38 // Venture cast 5.6 // Spit 55 new duro 97 Radials.
Haven't felt this comfortable all around in a long time.

Madness looms, though, as I've got plans to set up a Baker b16 shape with Indy cast 149s....

B16 with cast Indy 149's is such a good home base/madness cure

[rikki]

I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.

It's ok to scratch the itch. Ventures will feel even better again once you go back to them after the initial "whoa" and the sequential "meh" of any other trucks.

[Boog]

I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.

I was awake for a while. Went back to independent and started skating better and progressing faster.

[slappyjoes]

Thinking of going from indys to lurpivs. Would you say the pinch is the same with indy standards and lurpivs?

[BeachChicken]

It's notably worse with Lurpiv. I ride Indy's mostly and found Lurpiv is on par with Ace, which for me is notably worse than Indy but prob depends on wheels too. I ride 53 Classics or Radials and had 54 Radials on Lurpiv. To me they're inferior to Indy's except for turning stability but you can get that by just tightening your trucks and shit.

I too was Awake for almost a year and realized that I prefer a slightly tighter Indy to a looser Venture most of the time. Similar timing, but lighter pop, better grind, better manual point, and better grind. They also pair with more decks and it doesn't suck when I get a steep press.

[rocklobster]

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I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.

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It's ok to scratch the itch. Ventures will feel even better again once you go back to them after the initial "whoa" and the sequential "meh" of any other trucks.

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I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.

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I was awake for a while. Went back to independent and started skating better and progressing faster.

[swongolianbbq]

This is the gear madness corral I've built myself into, to prevent hoarding/inconsistency/blaming my setup for shit that's obviously just me

Trucks: cast baseplate Indy 149s, standard or hollow
- No truck madness, just stock bushings, washers, etc
- No risers
Decks: 8.5"/14.25wb Real or Anti Hero "blue eagle" shape, including DBX and Easy Riders. Baker B16 if I for some reason can't get a blue eagle shape
Bolts: small head 7/8" Allen like Shorty's, modus, etc
Grip: always plain black
Bearings: any Bones or Bones Reds
Wheels: any spitfire f4s 54mm to 60mm
Shoes: Cons or Nike sb, mainly dunks, fastbreaks, blazers, and chucks

[Sedition]

…54mm to 60mm

That’s a crazy toleration window. 2mm off on my wheel size, I am going full hissy.

[DERBY]

from my experience if theyre classics the adjustment period aint by much. classic to conical full tho to me feels like a bigger adjustment

[swongolianbbq]

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…54mm to 60mm

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That’s a crazy toleration window. 2mm off on my wheel size, I am going full hissy.

for me it takes about a half an hour to get used to. 58-60's are a little wild, and so are radial fulls, but that's how I'm allowing myself to mess around without changing too much. A tighter window would be 54 to 56, radials and classics.

[bombsaway86]

Just went through a few months of wheel madness only to land right back at Formula 4s. I really love the Bones x99s, but I wish they made them in a shape like the OG classics. I tried the V7 double lock shape, but they are too wide for me and make most things harder. V6 shape in 58mm would be sick too

[swongolianbbq]

Nitpicking little details about my setup

I don't really like the hollow kingpins, they don't grind as easy and they wear down weird

I've been using bigger wheels which puts more weight to the outside of my board making it harder to flip. Which could be a good thing, when I was trying 144's on 8.5 decks the board flipped way too fast for me.

I was thinking of trying to shave a little weight from the outside of my setup and add a little weight on the middle for some perceived marginal gains

Deck: DBX eagle 8.5"
Wheels: 56mm spitfire classics
Bearings: ceramic Reds w/ no shields
Trucks: titanium Indy 149 hanger on standard, not-hollow baseplates

[neonbrown]

I prefer a slightly tighter Indy to a looser Venture most of the time.

That’s the thing. An Indy can be tightened until it turns like a Venture, but a Venture will never turn like an Indy.

[moonordie]

Just wanted to say fuck blacks axle nuts.

[Schinken]

Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

[Sedition]

Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

[Schinken]

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Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

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Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

Any information about steepness?  Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)

[Sedition]

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Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

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Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

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Any information about steepness?  Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)

Do you know what Roman Numeral you had?

[rikki]

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Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

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Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

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Any information about steepness?  Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)

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Do you know what Roman Numeral you had?

The Chinese ones don't have numbers, they're single press.

[Sedition]

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Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

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Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

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Any information about steepness?  Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)

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Do you know what Roman Numeral you had?

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The Chinese ones don't have numbers, they're single press.

Yup! Skimmed that too quick before responding and missed that he had a Chinese one. My bad.

[Mbrimson88]

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Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.

Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.

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Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).

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Any information about steepness?  Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)

The funniest thing is the 8.38 size does actually seem like the most mellow of all, as I have a lot of them.

That said, if you are like me in Australia (or anywhere else in the world) where DLX China boards are becoming the norm and BBS is being phased out, there are still a few, such as the AH white eagle, which as mentioned above is maybe the closest to that size, which is still BBS.

Compared to NHS concaves, though, I think a number of board brands might take some getting used to, which is why I hadn't made comment earlier, but for me the NHS concave is way too steep, so it is all relative.  On the other hand, sometimes trying something and then getting used to it over time could work better.  One thing I could never appreciate, as per a number of other people was the NHS boards had such short tails.  The white eagle is a little longer than average in the tail in that regard.

Even checking out the Cardiel 8.62 shape could be an option, which has 14.5 / 14.6 wb and reasonable / normal kicks.

Also Black Label and a few other brands use the BBS / Generator shapes which are sometimes quite steep, which might also be of interest, also good length kicks, but then it really depends on what is around.  There are so few Black Label boards here in AU it seems.


* The DLX China 8.75 (which has the same dimensions) might be good enough over time as it is very stiff, like the NHS boards, so might feel a little more normal in terms of pop, compared to BBS or PS Stix or other woodshops.  There is the Doobie fishing graphic out at the moment, plus a few older graphics still in most shops I have seen.