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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3540 on: January 17, 2026, 09:32:44 AM »
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Where is the line between just swapping gear or trying something new and indulging in madness?

Is it just the attitude towards it? Like not thinking your current setup is fucked and keeping your from skating to your abilities but instead just having curiosity?

But eventually that can lead to full blown madness if you're just switching everything all the time right?

I'm good with my setup currently, really. No desire to switch from a performance standpoint, I'm under no illusion that different trucks are gonna make me a measurably better skater.

My curiosity is just around shit I haven't tried, never owned Slappy's or T2s. And with decks I'm beginning to want to try something different things just to keep things fresh. No real reason other than that. At least 32" long, at least, 14.38 wb, and somewhere between 8.38-8.6 width. Hell I would even try a shaped deck. Wheels are pretty set between 54-56mm classics maybe radials sometimes?

Again, everything is fine with my current setup, and I'm def not going out and buying anything to hoard in the mean time. I feel like trucks are more of a commitment because they last so long, and I do want to get away from buying things I don't get the full life out of. But being open to the idea of trying other shit made me start to ask these questions.

Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's  setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.

And as far as decks go, I feel like switching it up within known good parameters is fine. As long as you are getting most of the life out of them and aren't doing so in some sort of attempt to "solve" something or "fix" a perceived issue with your setup. As long as it's just rooted in keeping things fresh for the sake of it and you're not jumping all over the place in dimensions, you're fine.
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I’m sure we could debate the definition of “gear madness” into, well, madness, but I’d say a working definition of Madness is “chasing nuance in pursuit of perfection.”

Yea, that's kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. I'm def not in the mindset of perfecting/fixing/solving my setup anymore. I'm at the point now where I know what I like and would only consider changing things up within those parameters.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3541 on: January 17, 2026, 10:20:12 AM »
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Where is the line between just swapping gear or trying something new and indulging in madness?

Is it just the attitude towards it? Like not thinking your current setup is fucked and keeping your from skating to your abilities but instead just having curiosity?

But eventually that can lead to full blown madness if you're just switching everything all the time right?

I'm good with my setup currently, really. No desire to switch from a performance standpoint, I'm under no illusion that different trucks are gonna make me a measurably better skater.

My curiosity is just around shit I haven't tried, never owned Slappy's or T2s. And with decks I'm beginning to want to try something different things just to keep things fresh. No real reason other than that. At least 32" long, at least, 14.38 wb, and somewhere between 8.38-8.6 width. Hell I would even try a shaped deck. Wheels are pretty set between 54-56mm classics maybe radials sometimes?

Again, everything is fine with my current setup, and I'm def not going out and buying anything to hoard in the mean time. I feel like trucks are more of a commitment because they last so long, and I do want to get away from buying things I don't get the full life out of. But being open to the idea of trying other shit made me start to ask these questions.

Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's  setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.

And as far as decks go, I feel like switching it up within known good parameters is fine. As long as you are getting most of the life out of them and aren't doing so in some sort of attempt to "solve" something or "fix" a perceived issue with your setup. As long as it's just rooted in keeping things fresh for the sake of it and you're not jumping all over the place in dimensions, you're fine.
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I’m sure we could debate the definition of “gear madness” into, well, madness, but I’d say a working definition of Madness is “chasing nuance in pursuit of perfection.”
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Yea, that's kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. I'm def not in the mindset of perfecting/fixing/solving my setup anymore. I'm at the point now where I know what I like and would only consider changing things up within those parameters.
I was going to agree that it isn’t really madness if you are just curious to try different products, which is where I’m at. But, I am also doing it somewhat in the pursuit of perfection so maybe I’m just trying to play it off that I’m not mad? Naw, for sure I’m mad, lol! A big part of it to me is I never knew what all the differences meant and just chose stuff on perceived preference. What I’m finding is there is no perfect but certain products work better together for different people depending on what you are going for. It’s good to be at the point where you can buy any one part and know what you can pair with it to achieve the feel you want.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3542 on: January 17, 2026, 02:19:55 PM »
i like that this is where we are: ‘what….is….madness….?’


i mean, sheeeeeiiiiiiiiiit.

my description of my mentally troubled skate purchases would maybe go something like: ‘i watch a video clip of dekyzer doing a switch flip and then i want to buy all of his shit’. or something like that, that is how it starts. i have not found a homebase, not had the fallback. i have started and stopped skateboarding many many times, and when id come back, id have a different setup and maybe learn a new trick.
i think the madness, for me, is really really thinking/‘knowing’, that this one last attempt will be the one. that i’ve cracked the code, from the couch, whilst looking at the internet.

i totally relate to the idea of wanting to just try something a little different. or a lot different. it’s fun, and it can be a way to learn more about how i skate.
unfortunately i am at the very cautionary phase, that i do not wish on anyone, where i skate really infrequently, and bring multiple setups with me. it is kinda more of an exercise in experimenting rather than skating, except none of it is scientific, and i’ll just do a different version of the same the next time out


and i just get a little jolt when i buy shit. or daydream about buying shit.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3543 on: January 17, 2026, 02:27:44 PM »

and i just get a little jolt when i buy shit. or daydream about buying shit.


Shopping, and window-shopping, is a real dopamine "hit."
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3544 on: January 17, 2026, 05:34:56 PM »

Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's  setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.



This line of thought is why I have amassed so many completes and setups, so given the place I have is a skatepark / shop combination, it really only works in that environment, for a "try before you buy" type deal, which has helped so many people to, as you say scratch that itch, which I think would have a fifty / fifty result, eg some people really like the setup or combination of certain parts, while others said they are happy they never actually bought all that.

Of course, being a "not for profit" type setup, I am not worried about trying to make as many sales as I can, so it is a different setup right from the start there, but just the fact that I do try to keep as much second hand gear as I can, for people to try as a complete, or even swap onto their own setup to try, it can make things a whole lot easier for someone to figure out if they really do want those new trucks, or wheels or whatever else.

It has also been a lot of fun messing round with things too, as I used to have my boards, DLX 8.12 with Indy 139s / 144s, Spitfire wheels, just have the same thing over and over, cause that was all I needed, same when I switched up to 8.5 or 8.38 boards, still Indy 149s, still Spitfires, etc.  Even my "big board" was always just the same on a larger scale, BBS wood, Indy standard 159s, Spitfire wheels and on and on...


These days I have a lot more stuff, from both my own interest in trying things, as well as trade ins, so any number of different woodshop decks, a good number of different trucks - Indy, Ace, Thunder, Venture, Slappy and more, pretty much every size, or type, eg cast and forged baseplates, regular, hollow or ti axles, then almost every brand of wheel too, or at least pretty much every option in wheel manufacturing, Spitfire, Bones, Aend, Creative, etc.

The best thing is where we are, there are a good number of different surfaces, so there is bitumen / asphalt carpark, rougher concrete, smooth concrete, painted concrete bowl, raw ply wood surface, skatelite surface, other composite ramp surface, etc.  That way, testing whatever wheel options can be good to see what the wheels feel like on every surface too, some of which perform really well, others best on this but bad on that, so I guess that has helped me to be somewhat of a "know it all skate shop guy" when helping anyone, in person, online or where ever really.


To say I have been pleasantly surprised by some products is an understatement, eg the new Thunder T-II trucks are going so well right now for me, both 149s and 151s on their relative boards, or even tinkering with certain things I just never would have thought I could make work, like Venture trucks being able to turn almost as much as Indy, or reshaping wheels or decks or any other number of things too.  Almost too much to list, but it could definitely be Gear Madness, if I let it.

I still have what I know works best for me and that's quite ok, so it is interesting to get new and different things, but I am not about to go out and buy one of every new thing that is out there, just the things I think would be good to have, to try, then to keep for people to try too, if that all makes sense.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3545 on: January 17, 2026, 06:14:50 PM »
i watch a video clip of dekyzer doing a switch flip and then i want to buy all of his shit’.

This is what usually does it for me except it’ll be some obscure shit that makes me want to break out of my ledge/curb/manny lifestyle, so I’ll setup some crazy complete that doesn’t compliment my skillset at all & force myself to get used to it. Then when the spell breaks my “normal” gear feels unfamiliar and I’m just lost in the sauce until something works again and then cycle repeats itself.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3546 on: January 17, 2026, 06:45:02 PM »
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i watch a video clip of dekyzer doing a switch flip and then i want to buy all of his shit’.
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This is what usually does it for me except it’ll be some obscure shit that makes me want to break out of my ledge/curb/manny lifestyle, so I’ll setup some crazy complete that doesn’t compliment my skillset at all & force myself to get used to it. Then when the spell breaks my “normal” gear feels unfamiliar and I’m just lost in the sauce until something works again and then cycle repeats itself.

This is a pretty good description of how the gear madness works for most people I think


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3547 on: January 17, 2026, 11:11:13 PM »
Yesterday I  got reminded that I'm a complete idiot for thinking about gear madness at all...

 I had a short session before going to work. While I was skating a father brought his son to the skatepark. This guy ,maybe 14 years old, had some kind of generic complete from an online skateshop with crappy wheels and trucks. Probably his Christmas gift. He pushed around mongo and didn't seem to be comfortable on his board but While I was skating he dropped in on some 6 ft quarters. So much commitment. He got his drop ins and totally ripped. He took some hard slams but continued to get the most out of his board.

Skills, Commitment, being stoked ...................> gear

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3548 on: January 18, 2026, 01:22:06 AM »

Skills, Commitment, being stoked ...................> gear


But it helps so much when you are stoked on/about your gear.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3549 on: January 18, 2026, 02:47:29 AM »
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Skills, Commitment, being stoked ...................> gear

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But it helps so much when you are stoked on/about your gear.

Of course,  but it reminded myself to spend my time skating, not obsessing over gear. BTW I didn't change my setup for quite some time and started to progress. For a long time I've been terrified by transition and recently I kind of unlocked small ollies in transition. Went to the trunk and grabbed my girlfriends skateboard and tried some transition ollies.
Guess what, I can do them on her board too.
Gear madness is in my head mostly

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3550 on: January 19, 2026, 12:34:20 PM »
Hot take, but I think saying "I've cured madness by just riding only this one setup" is the last stage in the clown applying face paint meme. To me if you're free of madness you can try different decks, wheels, etc and acknowledge the differences and be at peace skating around them (if it's not atrocious) until you get something else. Only having a super narrow setup range it's still implying that only one magical combo exists, which is what we search for with gear experiments and memorizing dimensions.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3551 on: January 19, 2026, 01:39:14 PM »
Hot take, but I think saying "I've cured madness by just riding only this one setup" is the last stage in the clown applying face paint meme. To me if you're free of madness you can try different decks, wheels, etc and acknowledge the differences and be at peace skating around them (if it's not atrocious) until you get something else. Only having a super narrow setup range it's still implying that only one magical combo exists, which is what we search for with gear experiments and memorizing dimensions.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3552 on: January 19, 2026, 04:29:21 PM »
Think of it like disordered eating. If you say "Hey I can eat as much as I want as long as it's just chicken, white rice, and broccoli or something on a list of approved foods but I can have as much as I want" it might not be limiting quality but it's still a form of a disorder. I liken "THE setup for me, but I only have one..." as similar logic.

I say this because I recently had such a setup but had an epiphany looking at pictures of old setups that absolutely none of them did everything well all the time and there's no guarantee the person I am now would pick a specific one and have the same experience.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3553 on: January 19, 2026, 04:34:26 PM »
Think of it like disordered eating. If you say "Hey I can eat as much as I want as long as it's just chicken, white rice, and broccoli or something on a list of approved foods but I can have as much as I want" it might not be limiting quality but it's still a form of a disorder. I liken "THE setup for me, but I only have one..." as similar logic.

I say this because I recently had such a setup but had an epiphany looking at pictures of old setups that absolutely none of them did everything well all the time and there's no guarantee the person I am now would pick a specific one and have the same experience.

Not everyone views the world with same lenses you do.

Also, my mom had a horrible eating disorder. And through my eyes, this is an equally horrible analogy.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3554 on: January 19, 2026, 05:00:39 PM »
Limiting myself to just the same setup all the time makes me eventually try some other shit. My curiosity always gets the best of me. Usually just boards, though. Always the same width size, just different woodshops/shapes.

After skating PS Stix for the last year I realised how I missed other boards. Once I got off PS I realised how the other boards work better for most of the things I do. PS Stix closing is the best thing for my board madness.

I feel like this cycle repeats and I remember that no single setup (particularly just the board) can do everything well or needs any adjusting.

This is the year I make sure to get through my stack of boards… but I just bought a pair of Venture los.

Anyone think shoe madness is worse than board madness? I will strictly stick to shoes that work straight away. Fuck that nonsense when it comes to shoes. Can’t do it.


I definitely had some level of shoe madness. I'm far more "locked in" on my setup. Hard to pry me away from  Indys, F4 wheels, Bones bearings, and 8.38 - 8.5 decks from a few brands. For a long time, i was trying everything shoewise since my setup was dialed in hahah

Went from slim Vans Pros, Cons, Blazers up to chunky DCs, over to mid puff Soletech cups, to modern NB# cups and Dunks, only to come back to mid puff soletech cups after years & money spent experimenting! Yet, newer shoe designs/brands always entice me, so time to curb the madness spending in 2026. Now, I stick with what I know works with skate shoes.

I did have a Covid stack of gear: thunders, ventures, OJ wheels to try/got on sale. Learned it was pointless, aside from kicking down affordable gear to those who need it more than I did.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3555 on: January 19, 2026, 06:37:41 PM »
I like to experiment a lil bit but not too much

Indy standard 144s - this part has to stay the same

Basically any F4s in any shape or hardness from 52mm to 54, though I prefer 54mm 99a classics

Any bones bearings but swiss 6 are bomber

Whatever grip or bolts but I prefer pepper g5 and Shorty's-style bolts like Modus 7/8" Allen

I'll skate whatever decks 8" to 8.5", but they gotta be 14" wb. I prefer 8.25" and higher but I'm not against setting up an 8" or 8.125". Prefer BBS

If I'm gonna use wheels other than classics I'm more likely to use 8.375" or 8.5" boards to (in my head) counteract a wider or sharper-edged wheel by magic carpeting

It's fun to mess around with different stuff but I don't want to play myself, at my age, when I could have a really solid day skating I don't want to be on a bunch of random different stuff... I wanna be ready to go with what I'm used to


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3556 on: January 20, 2026, 08:16:14 PM »
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Limiting myself to just the same setup all the time makes me eventually try some other shit. My curiosity always gets the best of me. Usually just boards, though. Always the same width size, just different woodshops/shapes.

After skating PS Stix for the last year I realised how I missed other boards. Once I got off PS I realised how the other boards work better for most of the things I do. PS Stix closing is the best thing for my board madness.

I feel like this cycle repeats and I remember that no single setup (particularly just the board) can do everything well or needs any adjusting.

This is the year I make sure to get through my stack of boards… but I just bought a pair of Venture los.

Anyone think shoe madness is worse than board madness? I will strictly stick to shoes that work straight away. Fuck that nonsense when it comes to shoes. Can’t do it.

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Went from slim Vans Pros, Cons, Blazers up to chunky DCs, over to mid puff Soletech cups, to modern NB# cups and Dunks, only to come back to mid puff soletech cups after years & money spent experimenting! Yet, newer shoe designs/brands always entice me, so time to curb the madness spending in 2026. Now, I stick with what I know works with skate shoes.
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That’s a wide range for sure. I started off on bulky cupsoles as a kid but could never return. At some point I became super picky about how the sole feels along with a wider toe box.

Lots of shoes I like become discontinued then the cycle and search continues. I loved the first run of Blazers but I swear they changed. Same with the Campuses. I had a long run with Slip On Pros but one day they just felt too narrow. Habitat shoes were great, then they were done. NB 212s did the job, then they cut them.   

I feel like I can get used to a different board and accept it more so than a pair of shoes that feel off. Recently I tried making the Louie 2’s work but every session in them felt lacklustre. Luckily there’s one Adidas mold/sole that works. Gonz’s model is damn expensive but there are alternatives for when I can’t find them.

Yeah, it was a combo of finally having money from a job as an adult to try everything I didn't get to as a kid skating! Loved vulcs forever until I tried cups again and found my home after all that experimenting.  Earlier Campuses and those 212/213s were excellent at the time, I see why those stuck out to ya.

I didn't know the way to describe it for a long tim, but I learned i was picky with how a sole felt, like how you put it. I usually know just from trying on if it passes or not now.

Also, Gonz colorways were (still are, I should say) so limited in production and number of pairs per drop.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3557 on: January 23, 2026, 12:53:50 PM »
1 month madness free praise Jah

Been a month since I:

Switched from Indy 149 hollow standards to 144 standards

Switched from orange 90 cylinder bushings to blue 92a conicals

Switched from 14.25" wheelbase to 14"

I really like the weight of the Indy standards. I figure you can't go wrong with 144 or 149 there. 149s are the sickest but I'm 37 and like flipping my board around so the 144s are helping out a lot. I was on the hollow standard 149s and the feel and grind just felt wrong to me when I really started skating hard again. But I figured 149 standards, though they would have a better feeling, might be too heavy for me today. I don't regret switching and haven't noticed a difference really. Nice and easy to flip. I would never go narrower than these, especially with a high truck like indys, but it works great for a lot of folks(Ellington, Reynolds, Greco, Leo Romero, half of everybody in the 90s...). With the 144 standards I get the feel of a solid heavy truck, but I can still do anything I want on it. For a stronger man you could say the same shit about 149s. By feel I mean the feeling to plow through crust, plow through grinds, absorb vibrations, the sound of the grind, and the weight makes your board flip different and move differently in the air - more deliberately, and I feel more like I know what my board is going to do.

The blue conicals are another way for me to try and replicate the stage 7 and 8 indys of my youth. Stock bushings on those were 92a conicals as well. But they were way taller and had a longer kingpin. This was noticeable at stage 9 and 10 when they were using the same bushings from the old trucks, on the new baseplates and it was really hard to get your kingpin nut back on if you took it off. So maybe they went down to 90a and cylindrical bottom bushings as a compromise for the new lower bushing height, allowing for a lower truck overall and more grind clearance... Seems with stage 11 they tweaked the hangers a bit to get that height back starting with 159s.. another reminder that Indy/NHS are old vert dudes cause I woulda fixed 149s first hahah. But anyways I love them, they feel great. Pretty stable on center but I can really dip em if I want to. As many others have said, I definitely recommend the blue conicals if the stock oranges aren't working out for you. I switched cause the stocks felt kinda dead at the end of the turn, and I didn't necessarily want a looser truck, I just wanted more "pinchability." Tried aftermarket orange conicals and those were better and more lively. I like the blue conicals even more. My favorite tho was AF1s with the hard bushings. They stayed maad stable but would still turn tight as fuck if I wanted them too

With the switch to 14" wheelbase, I'm also trying to train myself to fix some issues with my technique, and I'm doing flip tricks with my foot closer to/over the front bolts, and my back foot more in the pocket and not on the very end of the tail. I also started always skating my board the same direction, instead of the way I used to. So now I pop nollie and fakie both off the nose, and I skate the tail as the tail for both switch and regular. Makes so much sense and has been working out. Idk if it's a mental thing but I'm pretty sure the last trick I learned was in like 2016 or something? I could be wrong. but it was front bigspins. And yesterday I was able to do a few fakie inward heelflips in my garage. I think it could all be in my head feeling like my board is shorter and stuff cause I mean it's only a quarter inch but damn, I learned fakie inwards and I'm fuckin 37. This might've solidified the metamorphosis from 14.25 to 14 hahah

So yeah it's working out fuckin great

The jump-off point, "government issue" board imo, that I tweaked a bit to get here:

8.25 or 8.5 x 14.25 wb board
Indy 149 standards
54mm spitfire classics

•I'm short so the 14" wheelbase fucks. Still vibing with the 8.25 to 8.5 width range but the 144s allow me to fuck around with 8s and red ovals and shit if I want to.
•Standards fuck and 144s with blue conicals is as close as I can get to my old stage 7/8 146s
•I'll pretty much use whatever the fuck shape/duro spitfire F4 52 to 54mm bit I think I prefer the 93a, 54mm classics rn

It's nice to have sort of a range that I can fuck around in comfortably without getting too out there. I tried a buncha shit last year, I'm not really limiting myself from having fun or anything. I can have bigass wheels on my cruiser. I'm not against trying some 54mm radial fulls as long as I'm on a 8.5" so I can still have that leverage

I don't know

Is anyone hiring

I'm losing my mind

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3558 on: January 23, 2026, 03:55:59 PM »
I feel like my gear madness comes from me not knowing my "specialty/style".

I started skating over a year ago with some prior experience (I learned how to ollie and shuv using a friends board in high school) and I have been learning to skate different obstacles.

Because of that, I constantly adjusted my setup in hopes to make things easier. Like skating a smaller board for ledges and flatground, and then switching to a larger board for curbs and transition.

The constant switching did not make learning tricks any easier (what a surprise) and I have learned that there are a lot of obstacles that I cannot skate at all.

I mainly skate curbs and mini ramps if I can find one, occasionally do flatground tricks if I feel like it. Ive been trying to get 360 flips more consistent.

So I decided to setup a Christmas complete with this realization (genius move). I am currently riding a 9" egg with Thunder Hollow Light 149s with SF 52mm Classic Wheels. It feels good to skate although it is a little harder to flip, me being short with a very small shoe size does not help.

At this point if im not satisfied with my setup ill just suck it up knowing that switching certain parts will not make me a good skater.

Update: I am a hypocrite.

I ended up changing the trucks to a weird "franken-ace" by using classic baseplates that I had laying around and AF1 hangers with ace hard bushings. I also swapped to 50mm spitfires which I also had laying around. Still on the 9" egg.

I didnt really like the thunders, the stability was nice but they didn't feel as "fun" to me? idk how to describe it.

My current trucks feel good, I had a set of 44 AF1s that I skated for 8 months straight so im already used to them. Im kinda partial to the wheels tho, they dont give me any benefits compared to other wheels that ive tried so I might get a bigger wheel down the road. 

Does anyone here have experience with radial fulls, how do they compare to the conical full?

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3559 on: January 23, 2026, 06:45:36 PM »

Does anyone here have experience with radial fulls, how do they compare to the conical full?


Radial Full just roll over everything, more so than any other wheel.  That's not to say you still can't get thrown off if you get a pebble or stick or something under your wheels, but being the widest and most solid wheel, they do have a different feel to most others.  Also they only start from 54 mm, which is what I have on a few boards.  Being so wide, you have less truck grind room too, which some people like but others find harder to get into things.

Conical Full can still power through a lot of things too, but being not quite as wide, a little more angular, so they grind in a different way, often having more grip on some things, but as they wear down, the edge gets sharper too.  I have recycled a lot of Conical Full wheels and usually have to round them off some to make them work well for me, but other people I know swear by them as their go to wheel for everything.  At least Conical Full come out in pretty much every size from 50 to 60 and everything in between.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3560 on: January 28, 2026, 05:49:04 PM »
I ended up grabbing those T2s.

Only a couple sessions in so far, bushings feel like they've firmed up.

I like/dislike all the same things about these as I do aces so far.

But I think I prefer these to aces.

Meh, will probably be back to the ol Indy standards whenever this deck runs it's course. Unless something major clicks for me on them or something.

It was fun to check these out though.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3561 on: January 28, 2026, 10:45:36 PM »
Regardless of what we skate….we all kinda know Indy’s are the right answer….l

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3562 on: January 29, 2026, 09:49:42 AM »
Regardless of what we skate….we all kinda know Indy’s are the right answer….l

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3563 on: January 29, 2026, 11:57:53 AM »
I think I kinda understand my madness

There's what I WANT to skate... And then there's what actually works for me

Like, what I think is the sickest shit -

Blue eagle, blue oval, baker b16, BBS 8.5 short (14.25" wb)
Indy 149 standard
56mm spitfire classics

What is a lot more manageable to me -

BBS 8.25 short, Hardbody 8.25 short, etc. (14" wb)
Indy 144 standard
54mm spitfire classics

If I get in better shape, we'll see. I used to be able to do whatever on anybody's board without giving a shit, but it got kind of disheartening trying to skate the first setup and being super tired so I built that second setup and I'm learning new shit on it

I'm going to try out the 144s and 54s combo on a blue eagle though and see what's up with that, since finding 14.25" wb 8.25s and 8.5s is way easier than finding 14" wb in the same widths

I do mentally enjoy 14" wheelbase tho, my shit feels more personalized to my shortass legs

My "government issue" madness starter point board has split a little bit

8.25" or 8.5" x 14.25" wb BBS
Indy standard 144 or 149
54mm spitfire F4 99a classics

It used to be 8.25 board on 149s with 54mm wheels, and that was the setup I got my kickflips, hardflips and frontside flips back dialed in on a couple summers ago, switching back to indys from a couple years on aces

But I think it's nice to not have my baseline be a hot rod with heavy trucks

So if I had to build boards to give away to kids or something I think they would be 8.25s with 144 standards and 54mm classics. That'll be my safe zone to return to if the madness ever comes back/gets out of hand.

149 is the most classic Indy

Blue eagle, blue oval, and baker b16 are the most classic boards imo

Classic shape spitfires are well... Pretty classic... Size depends on what you want to do. 54 and below for flippy stuff and 55 and up if you're a beast hahah
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3564 on: January 29, 2026, 08:42:32 PM »
Well, lil madness blip.

I'm going back to 14.25 wb

A to B'd a 14.25 and a 14 wb today for 3 hours drilling all my flip tricks

Same trucks and wheels on both setups

There's nothing I can do on the 14 that I can't on the 14.25

And the stuff on the 14.25 felt better and looked better

I'm just too used to it

Adjusting my technique and foot placement was all that was needed. Trying the 14 gave me the mental boost in confidence I needed to try scarier stuff. But I can do it all on the 14.25 too.

Glad I tried one but it seems that usually it's the same contours, just drilled in a bit, with the exception of the dlx true fits

It just felt flatter and soggier and a little cramped. Too much "fingers of flat"

I was almost certain it would work out, and I even learned a new trick, but I was able to do the new trick a few times on the 14.25 and it even felt better so yeah I'm back on my same old blue eagle bullshit

So the biggest change in years was just switching to 144s from 149s, and harder bushings

Feels good

Glad I didn't have some religious experience on the 14" cause 14.25s are everywhere

If Spanky, Jerry, Foy, etc can do it... I definitely can... Hell, I'm taller than them! I think Reynolds is more the exception to the rule and he doesn't have some major advantage by skating a 14.25" despite how long his legs are. It's just what he's used to, which sometimes, is everything.

Welp

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3565 on: January 29, 2026, 09:13:16 PM »
^ Back when I dabbled with the DLX 8.5/14.25s, I couldn’t do 144s on them—just tad too much magic carpet, but that also made some things flip a lot easier…maybe even a bit too twitchy for me?? I rode those decks within 149 forged hollows and 53mm Classics…but 14.25 is just too cramped for my height/legs. Kind of wish I could ride that deck, though, because they are just EVERYWHERE.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3566 on: January 29, 2026, 09:27:29 PM »
^ Back when I dabbled with the DLX 8.5/14.25s, I couldn’t do 144s on them—just tad too much magic carpet, but that also made some things flip a lot easier…maybe even a bit too twitchy for me?? I rode those decks within 149 forged hollows and 53mm Classics…but 14.25 is just too cramped for my height/legs. Kind of wish I could ride that deck, though, because they are just EVERYWHERE.

That's what I'm sayin... 8.5 and 8.25 with a 14.25 wb are fuckin everywhere

What helped the transition from 149s to 144s for me was that my 149s were hollows and my 144s are standards

I like the weight

Also trying out the 92a and 94a Indy bushings

I'm gonna go pick up some conical 94a bushings, I think that might be my jam. I really like the black cylinder 94s, nut flush, but considering I didn't like the crooks pinch on 90a cylinders.. I think the conical bottom bushing does a lot for it ala thunders

The magic carpet didn't bother me at all today but I'll try and stick to 8.25s maybe, cause I was just doing flip tricks and not aiming grinds at a ledge or anything, which is where I think the magic carpet gets most folks cause it's harder to aim when you can't see your wheel as much or something

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3567 on: January 29, 2026, 11:43:48 PM »
^ Back when I dabbled with the DLX 8.5/14.25s, I couldn’t do 144s on them—just tad too much magic carpet, but that also made some things flip a lot easier…maybe even a bit too twitchy for me?? I rode those decks within 149 forged hollows and 53mm Classics…but 14.25 is just too cramped for my height/legs. Kind of wish I could ride that deck, though, because they are just EVERYWHERE.

The DLX 8.5 x 14.25 is pretty much perfect with cast Venture 5.6s.

Two washers on the inside, one on the outside.

Stock bushings.

Not too much magic carpet, wb effect pretty much spot on for me.

Some peeps could probably benefit even more from forged Ventures with the shape as they push out the wb even more.

I'm 5'9, btw.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3568 on: January 29, 2026, 11:52:50 PM »
I just set up an 8.4x32x14.25 "Anti Intel" Austin K AntiHero deck. It reminded me (again) why 32 or below in length is not ideal to me.  Everything else looks & feels fine so far,  but damn is it small. This board would be great for T1 thunders if I liked Thunders  :P

Anyways, I'll skate it as much as i can before I move back to an 8.5x32+x14.5 deck

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3569 on: January 30, 2026, 12:44:44 AM »

I had thought it may be different this time, but... no hahah


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