Slappy trucks (Mike Sinclair's new brand)

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These are the 90a replacement bushings I put on not long ago. I forgot to change the stock washer and 15 mins later they started the shred the sides.

[Mbrimson88]

These are the 90a replacement bushings I put on not long ago. I forgot to change the stock washer and 15 mins later they started the shred the sides.

Mine did this a bit, so I sanded the sides of the top bushings down a little on the grip tape to smooth them out, but any which way, at least the outside edge issues didn't seem to change the overall performance of the top bushings.

I know they might look a little funny and I have had people replace bushings for less in the past, but generally I feel like if anything it is shaving off the excess and leaves the majority of the bushing intact, so if anything they might get a touch more loose, which I needed anyway.


This is what I tend to do to my bushings anyway, more so in the front, to make them a little more loose, but it works and I can get the kingpin nut down lower if needed and it doesn't cut into the bushing at all with any washers I use.

Sure it might seem a little extreme to some people, but it works for me and ensures that I have more turn and more clearance, especially in the front as I need that more, with a more solid back truck usually.

[Rick Trapasso]

I feel like all newer stock top washers shred bushings.

I've been using these two from an old pair of ace classics or maybe Indys for so long because they don't do this.

It's been so long I don't even remember what they're from. Small and slightly rounded, not completely cupped

[logjammin]

besides ventures, the slappy standard hi's seem to be the most kingpin clearance of all trucks on the current market even without an inverted kingpin. It looks like you could be close to hitting axle on these and that would be the starting point where you'd finally start scraping the kingpin, no? these are the only trucks I haven't tried and although I'm still not keen on the way they look like an ace classics department store clone with a cheesy name/logo, I guess function over fashion. going from ace/stage 4's to lurpivs and then to slappies, will these be a quick and deep enough turn if I throw in some ace medium bushings?

[rob]

Are the pig bushings and slappy bushings the exact same?

I would think they are since tum yeto but anyone got insider info that would say otherwise?

[Xen]

besides ventures, the slappy standard hi's seem to be the most kingpin clearance of all trucks on the current market even without an inverted kingpin. It looks like you could be close to hitting axle on these and that would be the starting point where you'd finally start scraping the kingpin, no?

Correct...tho I think ACE's IKP is in the lead until Slappy drops their ultra low IKP [at the end of] this month.

these are the only trucks I haven't tried and although I'm still not keen on the way they look like an ace classics department store clone with a cheesy name/logo, I guess function over fashion. going from ace/stage 4's to lurpivs and then to slappies, will these be a quick and deep enough turn if I throw in some ace medium bushings?

If you can ride wheels with a cartoon flamehead logo from the 90s or some shit call 'lurpiv' (derp) you can ride a truck that looks like ACEs and is called slappy...If you can't and the look and name are that big of a deal, just pass them by (trust me when I say the look and name will not make an impact on your pinch or flip tricks);  If you can handle it, yes they will be quick and deep enough, stock - no need for ACE bushings (which are taller btw) - just know they sit right in between Indy and ACE (faster turn intial turn than Indy, more stable that ACE, grind better than both). If they're good enough for Cordano, they're good enough for you.

All truck names are pretty lame but Thunder and Venture get a pass.

[gsosa]

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besides ventures, the slappy standard hi's seem to be the most kingpin clearance of all trucks on the current market even without an inverted kingpin. It looks like you could be close to hitting axle on these and that would be the starting point where you'd finally start scraping the kingpin, no?

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Correct...tho I think ACE's IKP is in the lead until Slappy drops their ultra low IKP [at the end of] this month.

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these are the only trucks I haven't tried and although I'm still not keen on the way they look like an ace classics department store clone with a cheesy name/logo, I guess function over fashion. going from ace/stage 4's to lurpivs and then to slappies, will these be a quick and deep enough turn if I throw in some ace medium bushings?

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If you can ride wheels with a cartoon flamehead logo from the 90s or some shit call 'lurpiv' (derp) you can ride a truck that looks like ACEs and is called slappy...If you can't and the look and name are that big of a deal, just pass them by (trust me when I say the look and name will not make an impact on your pinch or flip tricks);  If you can handle it, yes they will be quick and deep enough, stock - no need for ACE bushings (which are taller btw) - just know they sit right in between Indy and ACE (faster turn intial turn than Indy, more stable that ACE, grind better than both). If they're good enough for Cordano, they're good enough for you.

All truck names are pretty lame but Thunder and Venture get a pass.

Mike Sinclair is that you?

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besides ventures, the slappy standard hi's seem to be the most kingpin clearance of all trucks on the current market even without an inverted kingpin. It looks like you could be close to hitting axle on these and that would be the starting point where you'd finally start scraping the kingpin, no?

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Correct...tho I think ACE's IKP is in the lead until Slappy drops their ultra low IKP [at the end of] this month.

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these are the only trucks I haven't tried and although I'm still not keen on the way they look like an ace classics department store clone with a cheesy name/logo, I guess function over fashion. going from ace/stage 4's to lurpivs and then to slappies, will these be a quick and deep enough turn if I throw in some ace medium bushings?

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If you can ride wheels with a cartoon flamehead logo from the 90s or some shit call 'lurpiv' (derp) you can ride a truck that looks like ACEs and is called slappy...If you can't and the look and name are that big of a deal, just pass them by (trust me when I say the look and name will not make an impact on your pinch or flip tricks);  If you can handle it, yes they will be quick and deep enough, stock - no need for ACE bushings (which are taller btw) - just know they sit right in between Indy and ACE (faster turn intial turn than Indy, more stable that ACE, grind better than both). If they're good enough for Cordano, they're good enough for you.

All truck names are pretty lame but Thunder and Venture get a pass.

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Mike Sinclair is that you?

Mike Xenclair all along?

[Mbrimson88]

Are the pig bushings and slappy bushings the exact same?

I would think they are since tum yeto but anyone got insider info that would say otherwise?

I haven't seen both at the same time to compare, but I seem to recall Pig bushings were a little taller (maybe 1 mm so not much really), whereas Slappy bushings, especially the top, is not quite as tall as normal bushings.

That said, they could now be bringing the Pig bushings in line with Slappy as they almost look the same from some shops like this one:

https://super-shop.com/i330793-pig-soft-bushings-81a-white


Slappy

9 mm top
13 mm bottom

Industry average is about 10 mm, some less, some more, for the top bushings when I did a big chart of them all.

Venture and Thunder 9.5 tops, Indy and Krux 10.5 tops, Ace both 12 tops, etc.


* Slappy to me is more in the start of the low top territory, although there are a lot more "low top" bushings out now, especially with the inverted trucks, which specialise in lower tops to give more clearance.


** Nowhere really has any good pics of Pig bushings either, but this is a fairly generic pic they have on some sites:





Slappy bushings:

[rikki]

Slappy

9 mm top
13 mm bottom

Industry average is about 10 mm, some less, some more, for the top bushings when I did a big chart of them all.

Venture and Thunder 9.5 tops, Indy and Krux 10.5 tops, Ace both 12 tops, etc.

I was in the belief that Slappy tops are the same as Venture, ie. 9.5mm?

Anyhow, half a mil is pretty much nothing, so it's not a biggie, if not so.

[SwitchBenihana]

In my brief time with Slappy I found them to be great overall but no "magical" qualities in any specific direction: turn, pinch, or stability. Great product, but for me personally if I am deviating from my tried and true I really want something that pushes one quality specifically for what I'm doing.

[Mbrimson88]

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Slappy

9 mm top
13 mm bottom

Industry average is about 10 mm, some less, some more, for the top bushings when I did a big chart of them all.

Venture and Thunder 9.5 tops, Indy and Krux 10.5 tops, Ace both 12 tops, etc.

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I was in the belief that Slappy tops are the same as Venture, ie. 9.5mm?

Anyhow, half a mil is pretty much nothing, so it's not a biggie, if not so.

For sure!

Measurements are always somewhat subjective - maybe if I had fresh unused aftermarket bushings, they might not have been compressed that .5 mm from being in trucks, but who knows.

Sometimes there are almost too many variables there, but I don't usually see that many of the "other brands" products, in the same way I see a lot of DLX, NHS and similar product lines.

I used to get to see a lot more of everything when I would travel all over AU and go into every skate shop I could find on my way, but that is long gone now.


* Also it seems like no one ever really posts any info about the heights of bushings either, besides people on here, so I am yet to find any shop sites that have that sort of info.

[PalaceButtPlug]

I was riding slappy IKP's for like 3 months and thought i was just getting old and losing tricks, but low and behold 1 month on a fresh set of Independents and I'm landing everything damn near first try and feel WAY more comfortable on my board.

Can't even give these old slappys away because no one at the park even wants them.

It was worth a try, I noticed some benefits, but it looks like I'm not the type either. 

[Xen]

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besides ventures, the slappy standard hi's seem to be the most kingpin clearance of all trucks on the current market even without an inverted kingpin. It looks like you could be close to hitting axle on these and that would be the starting point where you'd finally start scraping the kingpin, no?

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Correct...tho I think ACE's IKP is in the lead until Slappy drops their ultra low IKP [at the end of] this month.

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these are the only trucks I haven't tried and although I'm still not keen on the way they look like an ace classics department store clone with a cheesy name/logo, I guess function over fashion. going from ace/stage 4's to lurpivs and then to slappies, will these be a quick and deep enough turn if I throw in some ace medium bushings?

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If you can ride wheels with a cartoon flamehead logo from the 90s or some shit call 'lurpiv' (derp) you can ride a truck that looks like ACEs and is called slappy...If you can't and the look and name are that big of a deal, just pass them by (trust me when I say the look and name will not make an impact on your pinch or flip tricks);  If you can handle it, yes they will be quick and deep enough, stock - no need for ACE bushings (which are taller btw) - just know they sit right in between Indy and ACE (faster turn intial turn than Indy, more stable that ACE, grind better than both). If they're good enough for Cordano, they're good enough for you.

All truck names are pretty lame but Thunder and Venture get a pass.

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Mike Sinclair is that you?

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Mike Xenclair all along?

Nope, just a rando that doesn't  let the name, color or logo sway me in buying or avoiding product.

In my brief time with Slappy I found them to be great overall but no "magical" qualities in any specific direction: turn, pinch, or stability. Great product, but for me personally if I am deviating from my tried and true I really want something that pushes one quality specifically for what I'm doing.

Like royal for the Thunder/Venture camp, Slappy is the same for the ACE/Indy camp. Hybrid of both, GC and less wheelbite really are better tho. Aside from that, they're 'just trucks' - been on the AF1 IKP and went back to a board with SLappys that I really enjoyed as far as setup and turn...I felt restricted/felt like I was riding tight trucks....might as well have been ventures at that point.

[rikki]

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Slappy

9 mm top
13 mm bottom

Industry average is about 10 mm, some less, some more, for the top bushings when I did a big chart of them all.

Venture and Thunder 9.5 tops, Indy and Krux 10.5 tops, Ace both 12 tops, etc.

[close]

I was in the belief that Slappy tops are the same as Venture, ie. 9.5mm?

Anyhow, half a mil is pretty much nothing, so it's not a biggie, if not so.

[close]

For sure!

Measurements are always somewhat subjective - maybe if I had fresh unused aftermarket bushings, they might not have been compressed that .5 mm from being in trucks, but who knows.

Well, yes, measuring bushings should of course always be done for unused bushings.

Anyway, as said, half a mil ain't remarkable.

[SwitchBenihana]

It's not just the name and Sinclair did a pretty bad job building the brand image. It was cool at first that he had a lot of unknowns, but it looks odd that he can't get a single b level pro. He then gets Cordano, who is great, but also one of the corniest dudes in skating. Say what you want about Monster or Fury but they had peak Heath and Arto at least. No kid in middle America is going to be asking for the Cordano truck or inspired by some rando no namer. He then went the YouTuber route and put more effort selling into Zumiez than normal shops and it's not an attractive company to skaters or shops.z

[Sloppy Krooks]

And we come to my one of my most hated parts about consumerism.
You can’t just have a great product that works well, ticks most boxes, you also have to have a fucking ‘image’ that in all reality, has little to do with the product.

It’s the polishing of turds. Lipstick on pigs. Nike collabs with ‘core’ brands. It’s the most unredeemable, superficial bullshit that we are supposed to move on from after High school. But we still so desperately want to believe that Baker/Antihero/Spitfire/Independent actually mean something, that we didn’t tattoo our bodies with their logos, or pay them money for the privilege of giving them free advertising on our clothes.

But it is almost always completely empty and frivolous, and should be the last fucking thing we consider when choosing equipment to dance around on concrete with.

But ‘branding’ is so all-consuming, so ever-existent in our lives straight from birth, we take this Potempkin culture seriously.

If you like the was a board pops, jeans fit, wheels skrrrt, and trucks turn, by all means get them. But try not to take the marketing too seriously, for fucks sakes. It’s mostly dancing for your coins, don’t give it too much of your consideration.

[nobodysname]

So it's been a couple months on Slappys after riding mostly Indys through 20 yrs of skating, and I love the change coming from old 159 forged titanium Indys (which were fantastic trucks btw). Back truck starts getting a bit of groove even tho it's not really there yet.

Better grind+clearance, less wheelbite and they look pretty cool imo. Turn is slightly less sharp maybe, but I ride pretty loose trucks so didn't notice any discomfort, they feel loose as needed but more controlled. All tricks work pretty well and I like them more than any other truck I've tried so far.

Running 8.75 hollows / standard kingpin nut / customized with newer super light forged baseplate & 85a top bushings with stock bottom ones (both stock were a bit not loose enough though comfortable — no break in time is true, both soft were too shaky for my taste so combining 'em worked perfectly)

Currently on 8.75 Fixer board w/ 14.5 wb and OJ hardlines 101a 56mm. Trucks worked well on longer wb boards as well.
Highly recommend!

[FatGuy92]

Just came across a review for the ultra low IKPs



I’ve been hesitant to try Slappy (or any new trucks at this point), but ngl these look pretty solid

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Slappy

9 mm top
13 mm bottom

Industry average is about 10 mm, some less, some more, for the top bushings when I did a big chart of them all.

Venture and Thunder 9.5 tops, Indy and Krux 10.5 tops, Ace both 12 tops, etc.

[close]

I was in the belief that Slappy tops are the same as Venture, ie. 9.5mm?

Anyhow, half a mil is pretty much nothing, so it's not a biggie, if not so.

[close]

For sure!

Measurements are always somewhat subjective - maybe if I had fresh unused aftermarket bushings, they might not have been compressed that .5 mm from being in trucks, but who knows.

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Well, yes, measuring bushings should of course always be done for unused bushings.

Anyway, as said, half a mil ain't remarkable.

But do you think they share the same formula? I tried the pig bushings before slappy came out and I loved them tried a pair of slappys and the bushing do feel similar but softer

I guess I’m just all madness cause I didn’t groove with how soft the stock were and swapped them out and lost the stock bushings and thought eh I’ll just throw my pig bushings in they’re probably the same

I guess spec wise not but formula is the question for me

[Osage]

 Anyone know what duro bushings come with the 13" trucks?

[Mbrimson88]

 Anyone know what duro bushings come with the 13" trucks?

All their stock bushings are 90 duro now aren't they? 

I thought they said that on their site or reply when someone was asking on their posts, but at least now they have all duro options in aftermarket stock.

Just went back to their site for a browse and they really do have everything on there, which is nice.

https://www.slappytrucks.com/


Bushings:

[rikki]

Ok, so maybe a bit of a kook question, but I've got recurring truck madness and like to try new stuff every now and then just for the fun of it: for a dude that enjoys cast Indys and cast Ventures the most (been switching between the two for the past some years now, mostly based on deck wheelbase), how would Slappys feel?
 
I know, personal preference etc., but if there's the slightest chance of any "objective" prediction, I'd be most obliged.

For what it's worth, I feel like my pop is at its best with the aforementioned trucks. And the Venture turn has never been a problem for me. I like my trucks on the tighter side.

[SwitchBenihana]

I love Indy's, Ventures I never liked the grind or turn but pop is fine. Slappy are a perfectly rideable truck that do everything fairly well as documented in this thread. 54 vs 55mm is barely different and the wheelbase was close enough, but to me personally the way that Indy pop was light but "solid" wasn't the same with Slappy and I am so used to the Indy turn I always preferred it by a small margin. Grind is nice and I didn't find them any more or less stable. The low options seem cool if that's your thing but I don't fret over 53-55mm height.

I travel a ton for work and I want to be able to buy my truck in a normal shop if necessary. Same with replacement parts. Slappy hasn't built up a sizable enough shop network to fulfill this general desire.

Like Ben D said I find them ugly almost like a Temu Ace and I don't need the insane clearance. My top bushing shredded to shit really quick and that was an easy fix. In the end I never felt myself noticing enough of a benefit to pick them over what I already liked.

I think including opinions of marketing and the brand name is tangential at best and really personal, but I don't love that aspect either. The nerd in me respects what Sinclair has done, but of the newer Indy clones I actually like the T2 I have on my travel setup more as they feel like a more distinctly different truck.

[Xen]

I love Indy's, Ventures I never liked the grind or turn but pop is fine. Slappy are a perfectly rideable truck that do everything fairly well as documented in this thread. 54 vs 55mm is barely different and the wheelbase was close enough, but to me personally the way that Indy pop was light but "solid" wasn't the same with Slappy and I am so used to the Indy turn I always preferred it by a small margin. Grind is nice and I didn't find them any more or less stable. The low options seem cool if that's your thing but I don't fret over 53-55mm height.

I travel a ton for work and I want to be able to buy my truck in a normal shop if necessary. Same with replacement parts. Slappy hasn't built up a sizable enough shop network to fulfill this general desire.

Like Ben D said I find them ugly almost like a Temu Ace and I don't need the insane clearance. My top bushing shredded to shit really quick and that was an easy fix. In the end I never felt myself noticing enough of a benefit to pick them over what I already liked.

I think including opinions of marketing and the brand name is tangential at best and really personal, but I don't love that aspect either. The nerd in me respects what Sinclair has done, but of the newer Indy clones I actually like the T2 I have on my travel setup more as they feel like a more distinctly different truck.

[144p]

If anyone is looking we got the new hollow low king pin trucks, just the kingpins, all the bushings and risers too
https://www.35thave.com/module/search_content.htm?form_version=2&showSearchResults=1&search_keyword=Slappy&image.x=0&image.y=0

[rikki]

Interested in hearing your opinion, Xen.

[Xen]

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Interested in hearing your opinion, Xen.

Just scroll back through this entire thread and you will find plenty of my opinions/thoughts on them, rikki.

[Mbrimson88]

Ok, so maybe a bit of a kook question, but I've got recurring truck madness and like to try new stuff every now and then just for the fun of it: for a dude that enjoys cast Indys and cast Ventures the most (been switching between the two for the past some years now, mostly based on deck wheelbase), how would Slappys feel?
 
I know, personal preference etc., but if there's the slightest chance of any "objective" prediction, I'd be most obliged.

For what it's worth, I feel like my pop is at its best with the aforementioned trucks. And the Venture turn has never been a problem for me. I like my trucks on the tighter side.

This one set of 8.5 ST1 Classic I have skate really well, were very comfortable right away, as others experienced the top washers caused a little bit of an issue, but I kept them pretty cruisy the first couple of sessions and they broke in nicely and then the washers biting into the top bushing seemed to stop and had no more problems at all.

The bushings firmed up a lot too, but I think almost any truck, or should I say almost any new set of bushings takes a couple of sessions to break in nicely and get to approximately where they will stay for the life of the trucks, for me at least.

All up, the turn on them, the stability, the height and everything else about them including the clearance was pretty good, even though I did customise the bushings not too long ago to give even more clearance / get the kingpin nut down further on mine.

Coming from Indy Standards, I think the change over to these was pretty easy.

[rikki]

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Ok, so maybe a bit of a kook question, but I've got recurring truck madness and like to try new stuff every now and then just for the fun of it: for a dude that enjoys cast Indys and cast Ventures the most (been switching between the two for the past some years now, mostly based on deck wheelbase), how would Slappys feel?
 
I know, personal preference etc., but if there's the slightest chance of any "objective" prediction, I'd be most obliged.

For what it's worth, I feel like my pop is at its best with the aforementioned trucks. And the Venture turn has never been a problem for me. I like my trucks on the tighter side.

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This one set of 8.5 ST1 Classic I have skate really well, were very comfortable right away, as others experienced the top washers caused a little bit of an issue, but I kept them pretty cruisy the first couple of sessions and they broke in nicely and then the washers biting into the top bushing seemed to stop and had no more problems at all.

The bushings firmed up a lot too, but I think almost any truck, or should I say almost any new set of bushings takes a couple of sessions to break in nicely and get to approximately where they will stay for the life of the trucks, for me at least.

All up, the turn on them, the stability, the height and everything else about them including the clearance was pretty good, even though I did customise the bushings not too long ago to give even more clearance / get the kingpin nut down further on mine.

Coming from Indy Standards, I think the change over to these was pretty easy.

Hey thanks. Too bad my locals don't carry them, don't really feel like ordering something I don't really NEED from big pharma. They're something I kinda would like to try at some point, though.