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Re: books to read
« Reply #840 on: February 24, 2011, 08:29:37 PM »


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Re: books to read
« Reply #841 on: March 12, 2011, 04:07:54 PM »
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Re: books to read
« Reply #842 on: March 12, 2011, 04:13:35 PM »
in the middle of reading this (pretty good so far):



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« Reply #843 on: March 12, 2011, 08:26:50 PM »
Borrowed this from a friend, it's pretty interesting so far.


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Re: books to read
« Reply #844 on: March 13, 2011, 12:58:28 PM »
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rereading this at the moment.
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Is it super dense?
I've wanted to read it for a while but I'm kind of torn between taking it on in Spanish or just copping out and just getting the English translation.

the quality of the writing makes it flow despite it being a bit dense with all the characters. its density is subtle. theres a family tree mapped out in the first page that helps you keep track of who's who.

gabriel garcia marquez has actually said that he prefers the english translation by gregory rabassa over the original spanish, if that helps you decide which to read.


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Re: books to read
« Reply #845 on: March 13, 2011, 01:12:49 PM »


about to finish this one today (prolly) It's pretty great. I liked her first novel WISE BLOOD better. But this is still pretty good.




This one I just finished a bit ago, before I started the one above. It was really great. Lots of wonderful conversations that happen in the book between characters. enlightening ass shit in there. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #846 on: March 17, 2011, 01:58:14 PM »
Did anyone here read this?  I borrowed it yesterday, would like to know if its worth it. 
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Re: books to read
« Reply #847 on: March 17, 2011, 02:02:34 PM »
i saw the documentary, it was whatever. kinda cool i guess.
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Re: books to read
« Reply #848 on: March 17, 2011, 04:11:17 PM »
reading this....


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« Reply #849 on: March 17, 2011, 07:28:30 PM »
Last few weeks:


Reading this now. Hesse always hits close to home.


Fucking Vonnegut. You know the scope.


Murakami came highly reccomended from a few of my peers. This book probably isn't his best but it was a pleasant, liquid read.


Redundant. Sappy. Couldn't finish it. Figured I'd have to read it eventually, but after attempting to I wouldn't consider it a necessary contemporary read.

Going to be concentrating solely on Henry Miller and James Joyce for the next few months. See if I can find the time to tackle all of their best work.
Anyone ever try to read Finnegans Wake?


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Re: books to read
« Reply #850 on: March 17, 2011, 08:24:13 PM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing.

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I haven't read any other Murakami, but these seems like it was a good introduction. Lots of weird Japanese sex, cats talking with humans, a "guy" with a major gender crisis, and a metaphysical being disguised as Colonel Sanders. Pretty good.


A nice quick read. I feel dumb for not reading it before. Meursault just doesn't give a fuck.


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Re: books to read
« Reply #851 on: March 17, 2011, 08:49:39 PM »
a very satisfying book.


also, if you're in the mood for something quick:





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« Reply #852 on: March 18, 2011, 12:03:37 AM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?

It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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Re: books to read
« Reply #853 on: March 18, 2011, 12:37:16 AM »
Anyone ever try to read Finnegans Wake?



I've been reading Finnegans Wake off and on for about four years now and am halfway through it. You are going to need more than a month or two to get through Ulysses or the Wake while getting anything out of them.  With Finnegans Wake, you get into the rhythm of it, finish ten pages or so, and realize you have to go back and re-read because nothing stuck or once you're done, you don't have too much of a desire to go back to it for a little bit. Those 10 pages re exhausting. Make sure you take notes on it as you go through it. I'm a HUGE Joyce fan, so if you want to talk about Ulysses or Finnegans Wake (I'm very rusty on Dubliners and less rusty on A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man ), feel free to PM me. I love talking about the guy.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #854 on: March 18, 2011, 01:55:44 AM »
I can't possibly imagine getting anything out of Finnegans Wake. Ulysses was a ridiculous enough task to get through.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #855 on: March 18, 2011, 08:02:26 AM »
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rereading this at the moment.
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Is it super dense?
I've wanted to read it for a while but I'm kind of torn between taking it on in Spanish or just copping out and just getting the English translation.
[close]

the quality of the writing makes it flow despite it being a bit dense with all the characters. its density is subtle. theres a family tree mapped out in the first page that helps you keep track of who's who.

gabriel garcia marquez has actually said that he prefers the english translation by gregory rabassa over the original spanish, if that helps you decide which to read.

I just stopped reading this book, 150 pages in. Its a very well written book but there isn't a point, or a purpose to everything that happens. Its just like x happens then y then a then k and so on. Its interesting at times and it can really suck you in, but nothing ties back to each other and it doesn't really go anywhere in particular, it just goes, somewhere. There was no suspense or intriguing factor about the story line, thats why I had to put it down after 150 pages, I could care less about what was going to happen.
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Re: books to read
« Reply #856 on: March 18, 2011, 08:32:00 AM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.

I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #857 on: March 18, 2011, 10:27:43 AM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.

On the Road and Atlas Shrugged are the only two books I couldn't finish. 
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« Reply #858 on: March 18, 2011, 10:30:05 AM »
I couldn't get through The Electric Kool Aid Acid test and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Not Beat era writing, I guess, but early counterculture whatever.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #859 on: March 18, 2011, 11:55:47 AM »
this guy, right here. It's not as good as "the stranger", but has some really good parts.

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« Reply #860 on: March 18, 2011, 12:09:02 PM »
I can't possibly imagine getting anything out of Finnegans Wake. Ulysses was a ridiculous enough task to get through.

There's stuff in there, but it takes a lot of digging to get there. I found it helpful to read papers on the book (or even Wikipedia's synopsis/overview) to start with an understanding of what Joyce was influenced by within writing the Wake.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #861 on: March 18, 2011, 07:14:48 PM »
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I can't possibly imagine getting anything out of Finnegans Wake. Ulysses was a ridiculous enough task to get through.
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There's stuff in there, but it takes a lot of digging to get there. I found it helpful to read papers on the book (or even Wikipedia's synopsis/overview) to start with an understanding of what Joyce was influenced by within writing the Wake.

Yeah I'm pretty sure if I were to even attempt it I'd end up doing just as much secondary reading just to unearth whatever semblance of a narrative there is. Ulysses was exhausting.

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« Reply #862 on: March 19, 2011, 05:14:13 AM »
Has anyone here read How I Became Stupid by Martin Page?  My friend Charles just finished it enthusiastically and handed it off to me for ingestion.  I'm 28 pages in and it's pretty damn hilarious.  Any thoughts?

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« Reply #863 on: March 19, 2011, 07:21:55 AM »
I just stopped reading this book, 150 pages in. Its a very well written book but there isn't a point, or a purpose to everything that happens. Its just like x happens then y then a then k and so on. Its interesting at times and it can really suck you in, but nothing ties back to each other and it doesn't really go anywhere in particular, it just goes, somewhere. There was no suspense or intriguing factor about the story line, thats why I had to put it down after 150 pages, I could care less about what was going to happen.
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Re: books to read
« Reply #864 on: March 22, 2011, 06:44:10 PM »
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Re: books to read
« Reply #865 on: March 22, 2011, 07:18:04 PM »
I'm well past 600 pages on the third book of the Song of Ice and Fire series. I usually have a few books going at once because of school, but this shit right here is basically my guilty pleasure morning coffee read so please don't judge me. It's just so damn juicy.

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« Reply #866 on: March 23, 2011, 02:35:08 PM »
i bought this for my gf as a birthday present. hope i get to read it soon.







Robert Crumb's quote on the back of the book sums up Burns perfectly "it's almost as if the artist weren't quite... human!"

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« Reply #867 on: March 26, 2011, 10:44:11 AM »
Has anyone here read How I Became Stupid by Martin Page?  My friend Charles just finished it enthusiastically and handed it off to me for ingestion.  I'm 28 pages in and it's pretty damn hilarious.  Any thoughts?

Yeah I read that a year or two ago.  It's quick and fun, not great, but for sure worth the read.
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« Reply #868 on: March 26, 2011, 11:41:56 AM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.

the beats are interesting. so many come up thinking that their works, especially in poetics, are liberating through defying or redefining ideas of form and i suppose cultural acceptance. kerouac and ginsberg attended columbia. Olson attended Wesleyan.  they emulated the form and ideas of the modernist era as exemplified by EzPound, Eliot, and really as she is being studied more, Mina Loy. Modernists were concerned with with redefining the world through eyes that had been subjected to the flash of WWI and the psychological upheaval presented by Freud and Nietzsche. Bring into the scope educated Harlem writers like Hughes with the Bukka White blues train back beat or McKay with Jamaican patois developing poetry in response to the lynchings, popular Jazz, blues recordings, shit, Birth of a Nation was the most popular film in the US until 1930 or so, and you've got something that has never before been attempted in the literary world- call it cohesion through reconstruction of the world. Shelley said "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world."

so following this modernity the Beats were just a natural response to the modernist era- look at the world, the US in particular during the early post modern era as a recent creation built of rubble. 25 monarchies had been overthrown during WWI, there's no way stability can come about, anywhere, in 40 year time frame. So of course the ideas of "Western Buddhism" are attractive- with the world a disastrous place, living through nothingness is the grand scheme.  Nothingness, however, cannot be achieved without the right knowledge- understanding the rudiments of form, literature, history, and culture.

So to say that many of their books are overrated, you're probably right but should try to wrap around the idea that Beat works aren't weren't written for everybody. The idea of a rating of a piece of work comes about when a writer isn't trying to gain a particular audience and it is read as though it should be something... It's like attempting to define "nothingness."

Anyhow, if you're interested, Charles Olson wrote poetry and coined the term "Beats." there are some interesting collections of letters too.

I'm reading a collection of letters written by Pound while he was in an open air cage at the end of WWII on charges of treason called Letters of Captivity.

The Sun Also Rises is a good one by Hemingway.

If you're at all interested in Modern literature check out Stravinsky's Rites of Spring on Youtube. It's a strange play- when released such confusion was aroused in the audience that they erupted in fist fights and tore the theater apart.  

Whoever was writing about Ulysses, Frank Delaney does a podcast breaking it down at http://blog.frankdelaney.com/re-joyce/
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Re: books to read
« Reply #869 on: March 27, 2011, 03:01:06 PM »
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rereading this at the moment.
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Is it super dense?
I've wanted to read it for a while but I'm kind of torn between taking it on in Spanish or just copping out and just getting the English translation.
[close]

the quality of the writing makes it flow despite it being a bit dense with all the characters. its density is subtle. theres a family tree mapped out in the first page that helps you keep track of who's who.

gabriel garcia marquez has actually said that he prefers the english translation by gregory rabassa over the original spanish, if that helps you decide which to read.
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I just stopped reading this book, 150 pages in. Its a very well written book but there isn't a point, or a purpose to everything that happens. Its just like x happens then y then a then k and so on. Its interesting at times and it can really suck you in, but nothing ties back to each other and it doesn't really go anywhere in particular, it just goes, somewhere. There was no suspense or intriguing factor about the story line, thats why I had to put it down after 150 pages, I could care less about what was going to happen.

the book has a cyclical quality to it, so you have to be dedicated. after a few generations into the family you really start appreciating what Marquez has to say. its not a facile endeavor, but i can say that it gets more intense towards the second half.

heres another book to read.


there was a huge pbs series based on the book which can be found online.

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