Indy cross making a comeback?

[Sedition]

Wish they’d grow some balls and either kept it or killed it completely. Fuck they chicken out as much as dRumph. 
 If they bring the actual iron cross shirts back I’m fucking on Ace for sure. You all know in the 80s they had a shirt with the black/white/red ribbon with an actual iron cross right? There’s pics/video of Crabbalero in one but can’t remember what contest to post it.

Shots of Mike V. wearing it, too.

[Sedition]

Never really had an opinion about the cross other than the people wishing for the logo to come back seem whack. Maybe for a few people the cross represents a special time in their life but other than that missing a cross is weird at best and some form of right wing culture war at worst.
If Indy feels like pandering to these guys is good for profits that’s unfortunate but we’re talking about Indy. Everything about this company is off putting. The marketing, the image, rhino throwing lawnmowers in a parking lot. But for me the indys still work the best. I don’t like apple but MacBooks still work best for my work… might be sad that buying skate stuff boils down to a business transaction but it is what it is

^ This.

The should have either (a) never ditched it, or (b) never brought it back. Doing both is a great to just piss everyone off, and put their lack of backbone on full display for everyone to see.

[Sedition]

[Chavo]

The should have either (a) never ditched it, or (b) never brought it back. Doing both is a great to just piss everyone off, and put their lack of backbone on full display for everyone to see.

Why do we continue to accept Tim Pool's invented story that Indy changed the logo due to public pressure? He is not a journalist and has no credibility even as a podcaster or YouTuber. He also has a vested interest in using the logo for his own economic gain.

They're bringing the cross back to sell stickers for lifted trucks. That is their market, we just provide them with enough legitimacy to print t-shirts for non-skaters.

[FrAnKenFrEd]

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The should have either (a) never ditched it, or (b) never brought it back. Doing both is a great to just piss everyone off, and put their lack of backbone on full display for everyone to see.

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Why do we continue to accept Tim Pool's invented story that Indy changed the logo due to public pressure? He is not a journalist and has no credibility even as a podcaster or YouTuber. He also has a vested interest in using the logo for his own economic gain.

There was some social media in 2020 or thereabouts, if I remember correctly.... Fuck Tim Pool though.

[white monster]

Dudes in lifted trucks are the enemy?

[white monster]

They squat em where I live 

[Wilhelm]

Beer City doesn't give a ff.

https://beercity.com/

[ChuckRamone]

The idea that Indy based this on the pope's cross or whatever is ridiculous plausible deniability. Based on the brand's image and marketing the original purpose was obviously the more edgy connotations of German military. It's like when 1010 tried to claim he used the swastika in a Buddhist sense. Old skateboard graphics have always had a WWII military fetish from Hosoi's rising sun to Spitfire's brand name itself to Ace's branding as well.

Let's not play dumb. Now it's a matter of whether you support that intentional feather ruffling.

[rikki]

Dudes in lifted trucks are the enemy?

Yes.

[Síota]

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Dudes in lifted trucks are the enemy?

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Yes.

Thank fuck they don't do that shit here... especially the morons who roll coal ...

[144p]

I went back to look at the Indy book from 2004 to re visit the story about the logo, written by Jimbo Phillips.
He mentions a surfers cross from the 50’s he used as inspiration, drew a first draft which they commented “too nazi try again.” He saw the pope and based it off his cross.

Not defending or protesting, just wanting to be informed.
I would guess the older skaters who are happy the cross is potentially coming back is because they thought the logo looked cool and was Indy to them. Not because of some right wing agenda.

It doesn’t affect me either way, I wasn’t there to see or know if this story is either correct or false.

[ChuckRamone]

To my eyes, the contours resemble the iron cross more than the pope's cross, especially the curvature of the outline. The story to me seems like historical revisionism to cover their asses. My take with this kind of stuff is always I respect the people more who just own up to their conservatism or right wing tendencies than the people who dog whistle and deny while constantly skirting with the imagery and aesthetic. It comes off as passive aggressive.

Maybe Indy can just say that flirting with Nazi style was the original intent of the design but we're not a racist company?

The old punk ethos was kind of "if we're pissing people off, we must be doing something right." And everyone from Sid Vicious to David Bowie to Ozzy to Lemmy played with this aesthetic for various purposes. It was nihilistic and anarchist. And the old Venice Beach skaters loved that Nazi stuff. But the people who get to signal this way in today's climate are of a particular demographic, usually white, male boomers. And it doesn't challenge the status quo but rather reinforces a slide into the normalization of far right wing symbolism. Make of that what you will.

[stone cold steve austin]

rather ride the z rollers

[outis]

Really digging Slappys these days. Aces are good too.

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Wish they’d grow some balls and either kept it or killed it completely. Fuck they chicken out as much as dRumph. 
 If they bring the actual iron cross shirts back I’m fucking on Ace for sure. You all know in the 80s they had a shirt with the black/white/red ribbon with an actual iron cross right? There’s pics/video of Crabbalero in one but can’t remember what contest to post it.

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Shots of Mike V. wearing it, too.

wasn't mike v skating for some dumbfuck truck brand called torx or something?

[Sedition]

To my eyes, the contours resemble the iron cross more than the pope's cross, especially the curvature of the outline. The story to me seems like historical revisionism to cover their asses. My take with this kind of stuff is always I respect the people more who just own up to their conservatism or right wing tendencies than the people who dog whistle and deny while constantly skirting with the imagery and aesthetic. It comes off as passive aggressive.

Maybe Indy can just say that flirting with Nazi style was the original intent of the design but we're not a racist company?

The old punk ethos was kind of "if we're pissing people off, we must be doing something right." And everyone from Sid Vicious to David Bowie to Ozzy to Lemmy played with this aesthetic for various purposes. It was nihilistic and anarchist. And the old Venice Beach skaters loved that Nazi stuff. But the people who get to signal this way in today's climate are of a particular demographic, usually white, male boomers. And it doesn't challenge the status quo but rather reinforces a slide into the normalization of far right wing symbolism. Make of that what you will.

Not to mention, they once made an exact shirt of that first image, including the ribbon. NO MISTAKE or ambiguity what the reference was.

[Mallie]

It's all pretty simple - context is king. Something might've been counter-culture, performative provocation or simple attention grab in its' zeitgeist then, but can have wildly different connotations in today's social climate, which is rushing head first into militant right wing extremism (worldwide, unfortunately, not just in the US), as it usually does in periods of pending societal unrest, social instability and economic crisis.

If you're defending the use of such symbols in the year of our lord 2025, arguing that "you're just stoked that a logo of your skateboarding youth is back", you're either doing it in bad faith, as a cheap excuse, or you actually mean it in earnest, and you're just too dense to put it in context/too self-absorbed to care for bigger picture/anything but your own ass.

[JakeBeskatin]

It was wack the caved in and took it out to begin with.
I dont know anyone who associated the indy cross with some racist nazi shit.
As a melanated brotha, I rocked Indy for years, very well knew the history of the third reich and all that symbology bullshit and never once caught a feeling of hate  from the company or any people who rode them

[Noble Experiment]

Welp, with all the racist and fascist undertones coming to light from all these truck companies, at least I know I can always skate a truck that though it might not be the best when it comes to functionality, it’s at least hate free: Orion!

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Well fuck.

[Abyss1]

The idea that Indy based this on the pope's cross or whatever is ridiculous plausible deniability. Based on the brand's image and marketing the original purpose was obviously the more edgy connotations of German military. It's like when 1010 tried to claim he used the swastika in a Buddhist sense. Old skateboard graphics have always had a WWII military fetish from Hosoi's rising sun to Spitfire's brand name itself to Ace's branding as well.

Let's not play dumb. Now it's a matter of whether you support that intentional feather ruffling.

Thought about the Muska rising sun too…but with Hosoi I was too young and thought that was the actual flag of Japan.  Not sure why shortys used it but it was popular and I had a Korean roommate tell me how problematic that flag was for Koreans

As been said my issue with the Indy logo is that in my experience i saw that logo all to often on lifted trucks with confederate flags

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

welcome back Sanch!

[rikki]

Has it occurred to anyone that this might be Hewitt just low brow posting pics of random piles of stickers of unknown origin and has nothing to do with any "comeback" of any sorts?

[Sedition]

Has it occurred to anyone that this might be Hewitt just low brow posting pics of random piles of stickers of unknown origin and has nothing to do with any "comeback" of any sorts?

Not confirmed (can someone?), but saw claims that there are Crosses in upcoming NHS pre-book. Also, Hawk been seen in Cross shirt recently, too.

[radcunt]

I can’t fathom how much of a fucking loser you have to be to be upset about a company removing a logo from their product. I’d rather not have a hate symbol on a skate product. 

[Democratic Republic Of Mongo]

I heard the marketing exec that was just fired from Jaguar was recently seen entering the NHS offices.

[Hefe43]

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The idea that Indy based this on the pope's cross or whatever is ridiculous plausible deniability. Based on the brand's image and marketing the original purpose was obviously the more edgy connotations of German military. It's like when 1010 tried to claim he used the swastika in a Buddhist sense. Old skateboard graphics have always had a WWII military fetish from Hosoi's rising sun to Spitfire's brand name itself to Ace's branding as well.

Let's not play dumb. Now it's a matter of whether you support that intentional feather ruffling.

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Thought about the Muska rising sun too…but with Hosoi I was too young and thought that was the actual flag of Japan.  Not sure why shortys used it but it was popular and I had a Korean roommate tell me how problematic that flag was for Koreans

As been said my issue with the Indy logo is that in my experience i saw that logo all to often on lifted trucks with confederate flags

The Muska rising sun was supposed to be a Hosoi jail fund board. I think maybe it was in the hosoi doc? Don’t quote me tho

[Kielwasser]

Never really had an opinion about the cross other than the people wishing for the logo to come back seem whack. Maybe for a few people the cross represents a special time in their life but other than that missing a cross is weird at best and some form of right wing culture war at worst.
If Indy feels like pandering to these guys is good for profits that’s unfortunate but we’re talking about Indy. Everything about this company is off putting. The marketing, the image, rhino throwing lawnmowers in a parking lot. But for me the indys still work the best. I don’t like apple but MacBooks still work best for my work… might be sad that buying skate stuff boils down to a business transaction but it is what it is

Let's not forget if you can't live without Indys there's always the option of walking into a chain/mall store and shoplifting

[layzieyez]

Bringing back an unwanted logo is silly.

Bring back manufacturing jobs that you terminated when you started having them made in China.

Isn’t that as huge a part of the Indy identity as the cross?

What’s the timeline on doing that?

[Nom De Plume]

I can’t fathom how much of a fucking loser you have to be to be upset about a company removing a logo from their product. I’d rather not have a hate symbol on a skate product.

This. It's really this simple.

I feel like Rhino is the human embodiment of a dead stock Independent truck. Like he's been so heavily featured in their marketing that when I think of independent trucks, all I think of is California gray beards and bowl skating.