Indy cross making a comeback?

[bokchoy]

those are nasty work

[Sedition]

I heard from some people in the know that none of the top dudes at indy or nhs wanted to lose the cross but that it’s mostly younger ppl who buy trucks so they needed to appeal to them

WOW! Imagine an old brand / company / manufacture having to change its products and image to be relevant in new market demographics!?!?!! They should, like, maybe teach that in fancy Bid'ness Schools or something!

[Wilhelm]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

[JM]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

No, sir, this is a Slap.

[Hefe43]

Maybe they’ll bring back Iron Cross butthole protection cargo shorts

Yo!!! These are doo doo and I’m upset with myself for not knowing they ever existed. So gross

[Wilhelm]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

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No, sir, this is a Slap.

Calm down, it's just a cross.

[JM]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

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No, sir, this is a Slap.

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Calm down, it's just a cross.

Don’t get cross with me.

[Sedition]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

Cupcake, please cite, exactly, where anyone said anything about putting a swastika on a truck. Hint: they didn’t. Apparently analogy is too complex of a concept.

Context of a given thing can change with time. Just because something meant X in the past, does not mean it means X in the present.

[pugmaster]

Back in my day we didn't need any flashy, new age logos. Back then if you saw a logo you might see a circle, a triangle, a square, or MAYBE a rectangle if the company was all hippy dippy.

You millennials and gen z are all sorts of spoiled. With your pocket telephones and butter you don't have to churn,  I really don't even know where to begin. You have a whole aisle of soda flavors. What did we have? Sasparilla. Oh, what's that, you need to wet your whistle? Sasparilla. Oh you don't like it? Guess what we got: sasparilla.

This is how I feel.

[GuessAgain?]

Mark Widmann if you’re reading this thread, here’s a branding lesson from an Art Director 25+ years your junior:

If your brand needs a page on the website dedicated to explaining that the logo is not a hate symbol then you fucking suck at your job.

Maybe just maybe like, be an actual Creative Director and like, create something. It doesn’t take a genius to realise there is no longevity to this branding and strategy.

[white monster]

Im guessing they made the stuff blue cause it's "less nazi" lmao 

[Sandwich Marty]

Good Henry comin through

[Wilhelm]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

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Cupcake, please cite, exactly, where anyone said anything about putting a swastika on a truck. Hint: they didn’t. Apparently analogy is too complex of a concept.

Context of a given thing can change with time. Just because something meant X in the past, does not mean it means X in the present.

Obviously, it's not even the same cross, even if you wish it were. The cross pattee alisee was not used by the Nazis. It is neither Nazi nor military-modern, but historical-ecclesiastical and heraldic. The fact that you don't want to differentiate is your problem, and you will have your reasons for it.
And it may be unusual for you, but insults are not arguments.
I can also understand that it is very difficult to admit to yourself that you are wrong, but unfortunately, there is no way around it.
It is truly sad to see that you are unable to understand that you are trying to prove yourself right based on a false premise. Your conclusion is only valid under false assumptions. Sometimes it is easy to overlook how much an argument depends on the initial assumption.

[Sedition]

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Here is the symbol of the XVI Army Corps of the Union Army during the American Civil War.

Spoiler alert: It's exactly the same cross used by Indy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVI_Corps_(Union_army)#/media/File:XVIcorpsbadge.png

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OMG! The swastika is an ancient symbol?’!? Must be totally cooll to use that as a brand symbol in 2025!

The Pope wearing something similar is also another reason to get rid of it.

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This is a strawman, nobody wants to put a swastika on a truck.

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Cupcake, please cite, exactly, where anyone said anything about putting a swastika on a truck. Hint: they didn’t. Apparently analogy is too complex of a concept.

Context of a given thing can change with time. Just because something meant X in the past, does not mean it means X in the present.

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Obviously, it's not even the same cross, even if you wish it were. The cross pattee alisee was not used by the Nazis. It is neither Nazi nor military-modern, but historical-ecclesiastical and heraldic. The fact that you don't want to differentiate is your problem, and you will have your reasons for it.
And it may be unusual for you, but insults are not arguments.
I can also understand that it is very difficult to admit to yourself that you are wrong, but unfortunately, there is no way around it.
It is truly sad to see that you are unable to understand that you are trying to prove yourself right based on a false premise. Your conclusion is only valid under false assumptions. Sometimes it is easy to overlook how much an argument depends on the initial assumption.

Please cite, exactly, where I insulted, or claimed it was the same cross. Irony runs strong here. For someone who claimed a straw man, you’re trying to bring out a straw army.

[Kielwasser]

Imagine using "pattée allisée" to defend Indy skate trucks on an internet forum.

Henry Jones is a G

[cum]

I one time knew a guy that knew a guy that might have been racist with an Indy sticker secretly.

[munchbox]

some of those that work forces
are the same that rock crosses

[Alberteinstein]

Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

[churned gristle]

some of those that work forces
are the same that rock crosses

[Pbn_jake]

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There’s also that shop in Japan that uses the manji as their logo, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen anyone on here trip about that

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there is a japanese buddhist church that is popular in san jose that has these inscribed on the benches... and yeah not sure who to direct that issue to as the church does these social / liberal events all the time

Likely no one because it’s a manji and not a swastika

[Abyss1]

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There’s also that shop in Japan that uses the manji as their logo, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen anyone on here trip about that

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there is a japanese buddhist church that is popular in san jose that has these inscribed on the benches... and yeah not sure who to direct that issue to as the church does these social / liberal events all the time

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Likely no one because it’s a manji and not a swastika

I know that...I was saying that because its unfortunate that the symbol makes me think of nazi's not Japanese Buddhism...

[Sedition]

Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

And this is what you do for your first post? You're going to be a real all-star here.

[Pbn_jake]

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There’s also that shop in Japan that uses the manji as their logo, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen anyone on here trip about that

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there is a japanese buddhist church that is popular in san jose that has these inscribed on the benches... and yeah not sure who to direct that issue to as the church does these social / liberal events all the time

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Likely no one because it’s a manji and not a swastika

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I know that...I was saying that because its unfortunate that the symbol makes me think of nazi's not Japanese Buddhism...

Was the whole point behind the swastika, to be the exact opposite. And such heinous things were done by people wearing them so you like can’t unsee it. My friend had actually gotten me a shirt from said shop and I had to tell him there was no chance I’d wear it lol

[Abyss1]

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There’s also that shop in Japan that uses the manji as their logo, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen anyone on here trip about that

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there is a japanese buddhist church that is popular in san jose that has these inscribed on the benches... and yeah not sure who to direct that issue to as the church does these social / liberal events all the time

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Likely no one because it’s a manji and not a swastika

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I know that...I was saying that because its unfortunate that the symbol makes me think of nazi's not Japanese Buddhism...

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Was the whole point behind the swastika, to be the exact opposite. And such heinous things were done by people wearing them so you like can’t unsee it. My friend had actually gotten me a shirt from said shop and I had to tell him there was no chance I’d wear it lol

growing up in America our schools don't teach us about Japan or Buddhism...or India an Hinduism, so first context ever seeing that symbol is in high school learning about the holocaust.  We actually learned about the holocaust before learning about WW2.  I don't think I learned about Japanese Buddhism and hinduism until college when I took a liberal arts- comparative religion  / art history class about 5-6 yrs later.  Also here in the bay area, Fremont mainly, you will run into a large indian community and you will run into dudes who will have that painted on their car hoods and doorways, I know what it means to them but I can't help but be reminded of nazis...maybe if I grew up in these communities I wouldn't think about the group that took over that symbol.

[Alberteinstein]

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Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

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And this is what you do for your first post? You're going to be a real all-star here.

First cry baby outed

[ChuckRamone]

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There’s also that shop in Japan that uses the manji as their logo, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen anyone on here trip about that

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there is a japanese buddhist church that is popular in san jose that has these inscribed on the benches... and yeah not sure who to direct that issue to as the church does these social / liberal events all the time

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Likely no one because it’s a manji and not a swastika

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I know that...I was saying that because its unfortunate that the symbol makes me think of nazi's not Japanese Buddhism...

The swastika pointing the other way is used in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhist countries all across Asia from Tibet to Thailand to China, Korea, and Japan and has been for centuries. It's sad the Nazis ruined it in the West.

[Sandwich Marty]

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Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

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And this is what you do for your first post? You're going to be a real all-star here.

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First cry baby outed

Board: razor tailed plan B from 7 years ago
Griptape: grizzly with mud stains
Hardware: Phillips with one missing bolt
Trucks: tensor mag lights with no grooves
Bearings: ccs
Shoes: lakai
Pants: dungarees from wal mart. Straight fit
Shirt: under armor
Hat: bass pro shop

[Unkle Fleak]

The og trucks didn’t have um.

[Alberteinstein]

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Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

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And this is what you do for your first post? You're going to be a real all-star here.

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First cry baby outed

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Board: razor tailed plan B from 7 years ago
Griptape: grizzly with mud stains
Hardware: Phillips with one missing bolt
Trucks: tensor mag lights with no grooves
Bearings: ccs
Shoes: lakai
Pants: dungarees from wal mart. Straight fit
Shirt: under armor
Hat: bass pro shop

Sick post lots of attention

[alien porkchop]

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Bring the cross back
Those that wanted it gone are still cry babies

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And this is what you do for your first post? You're going to be a real all-star here.

[close]

First cry baby outed

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Board: razor tailed plan B from 7 years ago
Griptape: grizzly with mud stains
Hardware: Phillips with one missing bolt
Trucks: tensor mag lights with no grooves
Bearings: ccs
Shoes: lakai
Pants: dungarees from wal mart. Straight fit
Shirt: under armor
Hat: bass pro shop

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Sick post lots of attention

i know you are but what am i? for life!