Spitfire formula four

[spanyard]

Whatever happened to that thread with the two rubes scholars getting into a virtual knock out drag out over skinny vs wide i.e. contact width correlating with a  better slide?

[RichardBarkley]

Whatever happened to that thread with the two rubes scholars getting into a virtual knock out drag out over skinny vs wide i.e. contact width correlating with a  better slide?

Lol

Sounds funny

Can you link

[sharkin]

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108332.0

Here’s the thread

[Mbrimson88]

You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.

[Sundaynuggets]

You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.

Why not do both?

[Mbrimson88]

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You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.

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Why not do both?

Ha yes, do it all.

[listentoaheartbeat]

Alright, almost sold my 97A Classics since I didn’t like them at all some time ago when it was still warm, but now I took them to the slick indoor park and love them. So much better than 99A Classics in that environment. Controlled slide but no wipeouts or sketchy landings whatsoever. Felt much more confident and had to didn’t have to clean the wheels from dust and dirt as often during the session.

[Fat Tire]

Coming of 99s I couldn't really tell you the difference between them and the 97s. Bunk set?

[babywantsbluevelvet]

Coming of 99s I couldn't really tell you the difference between them and the 97s. Bunk set?

I think so. Mine are for sure harder to slide and sometimes squeak on on things like cross locked bs 5050s for me. I'm down for the slight extra grip and speed on crust though. Like an above poster, I recently tried some 99s again (55mm OG Classics) after months on the 97s and that lasted about two rattly sessions before going back. I do wish they'd do the OG Classic shape in 97a for a slightly lighter, thinner wheel that still locks in like a CF.

[Xen]

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Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.

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Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!

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Nothing 

I DM'd them ages ago a few times about them, they never replied.

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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

[Mbrimson88]

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Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.

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Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!

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Nothing 

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I DM'd them ages agoe a few times, about them, they never replied.

I always had a response from the DLXSF.COM website "Hit us up" link, but often didn't get much back from Instagram.

That might be a better option, or at least an email to Cam at Deluxe rather than getting lost in the Instagram DMs.

[listentoaheartbeat]

I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

Thanks. I use Dane1 as my  cruiser and don't see any chances skating it properly, just use it for cruising. I think I'm going with some softer wheels.

[Paco Supreme]

Why have my wheels stopped sliding to a screech?

I switched some conical fulls over to a different board new trucks + bearing combo and these wheels which previously would slide like a mf are dead and dull. I hate it

[camel filters]

Why have my wheels stopped sliding to a screech?

I switched some conical fulls over to a different board new trucks + bearing combo and these wheels which previously would slide like a mf are dead and dull. I hate it

I find new bearings to deaden my board in general. Don't know if that has to do with your wheels tho.

[manysnakes]

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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

Yeah, they are absolutely *not* cruiser wheels. They are very hard wheel for trick skateboarding, just not as hard some others. Soft enough to make a difference on crustier terrain.

[Xen]

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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

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Yeah, they are absolutely *not* cruiser wheels. They are very hard wheel for trick skateboarding, just not as hard some others. Soft enough to make a difference on crustier terrain.

New bearings and not enough clickclack between the hanger and nut

[Mbrimson88]

Thought this should end up here...

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zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope

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So hyped on these. thank you Kader for helping the youth see the light of big wheels.

pic of the post for reference:

[BL0B]

Radial, radial slim, ok. Radial full?

[Paco Supreme]

What would a radial full bring to the picture ?

[left knee cap]

spitfire really has too many damn shapes

[munchbox]

spitfire really has too many damn shapes

agreed.
pals, what would you cut? whats the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:
classics
classic full
og classics
radials
radial slim
radial full*
conical
conical full
tablets
lock ins

[rocklobster]

Radial, radial slim, ok. Radial full?

Can we just get Radial Slims in 99a back in rotation please!

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spitfire really has too many damn shapes

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agreed.
pals, what would you cut? whats the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:
classics
classic full
og classics
radials
radial slim
radial full*
conical
conical full
tablets
lock ins

[Frank and Fred]

Options are great. Can't believe SLAP gear nerds have issues with all the shapes....

[Mbrimson88]

What would a radial full bring to the picture ?

I feel like the Radial Full are the bigger sized Radial wheels, maybe just the normal ones, only in bigger overall sizes, as the old 58mm Kader wheels were pretty big, wide and all round awesome for people who wanted such a big fat wheel.  The funny thing was most of those guys were more old bowl / transition dudes who didn't have a clue or any interest in Kader.  Every single set I was able to get sold so fast I didn't even keep any for myself, although I did get one set back to skate for a bit, someone else was so stoked on the size and shape, I let them have it.

Check the pics here:

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/kader-radials-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-58mm-p40162





I don't have any here with me, but I believe the dimensions of those old Radials were 58 x 37 or 38 wide.

By comparison, classic 60 x 39 wide, classic full are 58 x 38 wide or conical full 58 x 37 so think something around those same sizes and widths.

The Radial Full wheel is out in 57, 58, 59 and 60mm, if what I have heard is correct, so it is only in the big sizes and would pretty much cover all those of interest in the bigger and wider wheel varieties, without having a full square edge like the conical full shapes.


Overall I can see lots of people who want big wide wheels jumping on them, maybe more so in the bowl / transition skating crowd, but also from some of the more curious kids who want a big wheel from an amazing street skater.

[Mbrimson88]

I just did a new search for Spitfire Kader (last time turned up only old listings) and a couple of places already have the new wheels up (some sold out) but there is a semi side pic from the old Z.

https://www.zumiez.com/es_us/57mm-99du-f4-kader-radial-full.html



Sorry for the huge images.

It looks about the same as the other ones, but could be different.

No one seems to have dimensions yet.

[mbam003]

Are Lockins impossible to get nowadays? Haven't seen them for sale in any shop in Europe for like 2 years.

[Mbrimson88]

Are Lockins impossible to get nowadays? Haven't seen them for sale in any shop in Europe for like 2 years.

Both the 99 and 101 in 52, 53 and 55 are in the new catalog, so maybe they are in short supply with local distributors there, or something.  Compared to the Radial Slims which are not in any catalogs for almost a year, at least the Lock Ins should still be in production if they are still showing on the Spitfire site.

I think there was a bit of a push a while back to get away from them, the shape being either conical full for that outside edge or tablets for the inside, depending on which side profile you prefer.

[gsosa]

Does anyone know if the Flatspots eventually fix themselves? I bought the wheels like 3 or 4 months ago and hadn't really noticed because Ive been skating street a bunch but the other day I went to Lot 11 (smooth street park) and it sounds like Im riding a motortcycle yet the flatspots are barely noticeable. Never had this issue and Ive been skating F4s for years and I powerslide a bunch.