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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4200 on: June 13, 2022, 04:09:35 PM »
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.

Thanks for reiterating this!
I too like the f4 97s, but they are kinda weird, in that the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground. So skating to the spot feels good, and then skating ‘the spot’ usually feels less good. I was all set to get some f4 53 classics and call it good, but these wheels are more and more intriguing.
I’ve been skating f4 52 conical fulls, 101s, the most often, and after a really harsh initial break in, they feel good. Some of the trash roads in the PNW are not fun, but the wheels roll way better than I thought they would, considering the hard durometer.
I actually prefer thinner, ‘classic’, shaped wheels, and really liked bones stf classic shape (v2s?) back in the day, just not as hyped on the plastic feel.
Really interested to hear more about these wheels, and thankful for more wheel options! It’s been awhile since there have been any significant wheel tech inventions

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4201 on: June 13, 2022, 05:58:49 PM »

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I thought the new 60 mm Conical Full wheels are the same shape as the old (not OG) standard urethane Classic shape, which were not round but actually in the Conical Full shape right from go.

Here is a close up of them anyway, measurements as Jakeumms said are the same.


* And yes they were big solid wheels, which is why a lot of the Bowl Barneys and others liked them so much.





Seems sacrilegious to go with the red swirl since that colorway is usually reserved for the 51mm Classics lineup
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4202 on: June 13, 2022, 06:25:17 PM »
Finally, after years of searching, I finally found 58mm Conical Fulls. Also, got the Jeff 60s.




First since the start of 2020 I think for the Conical Full 58mm in 99 duro.

I know a lot of people have been looking / wanting them.

Those 60mm 97 duro wheels should be good - right size for the shape and duro.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4203 on: June 13, 2022, 06:28:35 PM »
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.
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Thanks for reiterating this!
I too like the f4 97s, but they are kinda weird, in that the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground. So skating to the spot feels good, and then skating ‘the spot’ usually feels less good. I was all set to get some f4 53 classics and call it good, but these wheels are more and more intriguing.
I’ve been skating f4 52 conical fulls, 101s, the most often, and after a really harsh initial break in, they feel good. Some of the trash roads in the PNW are not fun, but the wheels roll way better than I thought they would, considering the hard durometer.
I actually prefer thinner, ‘classic’, shaped wheels, and really liked bones stf classic shape (v2s?) back in the day, just not as hyped on the plastic feel.
Really interested to hear more about these wheels, and thankful for more wheel options! It’s been awhile since there have been any significant wheel tech inventions

Yeah that was the EXACT thing I hated about F4 97a... Just so slow on good surfaces, and just never felt great. Like they felt alright on really shitty surfaces, but I don't necessarily want to spend all my time on those shitty surfaces.

The SSF 93a are definitely better on good surfaces than F4... But it really shines in shitty situations. Just feels like it normalizes surfaces to feel more similar, if that makes sense.

I've made tons of posts about all of the new duros in the wheels thread if you want to dig through and find them.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4204 on: June 13, 2022, 06:29:37 PM »
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Finally, after years of searching, I finally found 58mm Conical Fulls. Also, got the Jeff 60s.


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First since the start of 2020 I think for the Conical Full 58mm in 99 duro.

I know a lot of people have been looking / wanting them.

Those 60mm 97 duro wheels should be good - right size for the shape and duro.

Do the packaging on either give the width and riding surface of those sizes?
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4205 on: June 13, 2022, 06:36:36 PM »
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@FuzzGNU


I thought the new 60 mm Conical Full wheels are the same shape as the old (not OG) standard urethane Classic shape, which were not round but actually in the Conical Full shape right from go.

Here is a close up of them anyway, measurements as Jakeumms said are the same.


* And yes they were big solid wheels, which is why a lot of the Bowl Barneys and others liked them so much.




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Seems sacrilegious to go with the red swirl since that colorway is usually reserved for the 51mm Classics lineup


The funny thing is the red swirl was on the 60 mm wheels right from day dot as that was their signature product, so it might have been more the other way round, running out of colours and then having to put the red swirl on the 51 mm wheels when they came out to satisfy the need of so many smaller sizes, given it was at one point just 52, 54, 56, 58 and 60 mm but then they had added in 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61 and 63 mm wheels, not to mention some of the weird ones like anything with .5 eg 54.5 for the Cardiel Classic Full shape I have still.

I get what you are saying though.



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Spitfire info with all the backing cards from this post for people if needed:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3759408;topicseen#msg3759408


Conical Full additions would be (diameter, width, riding surface):


58  37  27.3
60  38  28

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4206 on: June 13, 2022, 07:34:49 PM »
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:

I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4207 on: June 13, 2022, 07:45:01 PM »
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:

I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.


Ha yeah totally felt like that when I tried something similar, even making cruiser boards, I have to lift Thunders so much higher to get the same clearance as I do on Indy trucks.

Maybe some people are more used to it than others too.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4208 on: June 13, 2022, 08:50:41 PM »
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:

I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.

I skate 56mm on Ace 44 without risers. Works well for me... a little bit of wheelbite here and there, but nothing I notice while riding. Radial Full 56mm were too wide/heavy in general for me personally... but even those didn't have major wheelbite issues for me.

I would personally only use risers if I was skating 57/58+ I think.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4209 on: June 14, 2022, 08:21:57 AM »
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.
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the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground

This is exactly it, you said it perfectly. This is what the Bones wheels provide that the Spitfires did not.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4210 on: June 21, 2022, 04:40:35 AM »
I had something weird happening to my F4 97a wheels after riding them for a few months. On my toe-side back wheel the bearings do not fit the wheel anymore. It seems as if the wheel widened on the inside and is not gripping the bearing anymore. I never had something like this happen before after countless sets of harder F4 wheels. Anybody ever experience something like this? Is this a defect?

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« Reply #4211 on: June 22, 2022, 06:15:48 PM »
Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4212 on: June 22, 2022, 06:33:45 PM »
Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4213 on: June 22, 2022, 08:35:24 PM »
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Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.
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Wheel wells are underrated.

I'm actually enjoying my wheel wells as well. Although my trucks are so loose I still sometimes wheelbite even though i'm on 52mm conicals
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4214 on: June 22, 2022, 08:48:53 PM »
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Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.
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I'm actually enjoying my wheel wells as well. Although my trucks are so loose I still sometimes wheelbite even though i'm on 52mm conicals

If you ride loose it helps sooooo much; I'm surprised there aren't more boards out there with them.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4215 on: July 04, 2022, 07:11:12 AM »
Maybe it's been answered already, but I didnt find anything:
Got the Kader 60mms Radial Fulls, not yet set up, but want to now and just realised they aren't symmetrical. The printed side has a deeper cut out for bearings, than the unprinted. So if you put the side with the graphics outside, the wheels will stick out more... Normal? The 57mm Oski Radials I'm currently on are perfectly symmetrical...

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4216 on: July 04, 2022, 08:20:22 AM »
yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn

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« Reply #4217 on: July 04, 2022, 11:19:16 AM »
yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn

Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4218 on: July 04, 2022, 12:04:23 PM »
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yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn
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Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...

Is spitfire becoming the ace (classics) of wheels? My last 2 sets had defects

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4219 on: July 04, 2022, 02:02:10 PM »
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yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn
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Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...
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Is spitfire becoming the ace (classics) of wheels? My last 2 sets had defects

My Radial Full from the first batch also had a defect that caused the wheels to wobble. Seems like they were definitely having some QA issues in the past year or less.

They replaced it for me within a month though, so just send a warranty ticket in.
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« Reply #4220 on: July 16, 2022, 03:09:37 AM »
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...

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« Reply #4221 on: July 16, 2022, 01:24:28 PM »
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...

Softer wheels roll better over shitty streets and such. If you live outside of California and want to street skate, 101+ wheels are pretty hard to make work. I don't know if you've looked around in America but we have a crumbling infrastructure. In places with winters, the ground gets destroyed very quickly and then needs to be repaired. And those repairs ain't happening.

Its why I switched to F4 97a, and now I skate the new Powell Dragon 93a which feel like ~98a (I hope Spitfire responds with a wheel like that of their own).

On top of that, I think most people who like skating really hard wheels are still holdovers skating STF 103a (which were considered the best wheel before F4 came out). I've never tried F4 101a, so I can't compare the two, but I'm sure if your streets are good enough for 101a, you might as well skate 103a and double down on the benefits a hard wheel gives you.

Bones seems to do a better job at stocking all of their shapes. Their V4 shape is similar to Spitfire Radials. Maybe see if any of their narrower ones are up your alley. Keep in mind their wheels tend to have a way more narrow riding surface compared to Spitfire counterparts, so they might feel more narrow than their overall width suggests: https://bones.com/why/shapes/
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« Reply #4222 on: July 16, 2022, 06:39:10 PM »
I have to disagree with some of the above. First, CA is a big state and much of it has pretty haggard streets, even in the skateboarding land of milk and honey. It cracks me up that many of us think we are skating 'crust' bc we don't live in CA.

Second, 101 F4s actually do pretty OK on haggard terrain. I used to use them a fair bit in the summers in Portland,. Mainly to teach myself backside power slides on hills (it worked). B/c they have such a high 'rebound' they can handle a little ruggedness. Obviously they don't suck up crust as well as 99s or 97s but they felt better to me than STFs and certainly SPFs.

The main reason I don't use them is I prefer the slip-to-grip ratio of 99s. I like the way the 99s bite when I want them to. The 101s were a little sketch in super smooth parks for the way I skate and the slide wasn't as controlled. They slide too well and I like a little resistance. Now I can do backside power slides, they feel even better on 99s but it took trying them at slower speeds on 101s to dial them in.

If you want to slide at slower speeds or if you're into technical ledge or even curb skating, give them a go. If you're struggling with a certain slide trick or bummed the way your Thunders lock into nose and tail slides, these could be other reasons to try 101s. I've only tried the 101s in 54mm size and classic and radial slim shapes. I'd be curious to try them in a bigger, wider shape.

Ultimately, F4 99s just fucking rule as an all round/ all terrain wheel.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4223 on: July 16, 2022, 07:49:28 PM »
I have to disagree with some of the above. First, CA is a big state and much of it has pretty haggard streets, even in the skateboarding land of milk and honey. It cracks me up that many of us think we are skating 'crust' bc we don't live in CA.

Second, 101 F4s actually do pretty OK on haggard terrain. I used to use them a fair bit in the summers in Portland,. Mainly to teach myself backside power slides on hills (it worked). B/c they have such a high 'rebound' they can handle a little ruggedness. Obviously they don't suck up crust as well as 99s or 97s but they felt better to me than STFs and certainly SPFs.

The main reason I don't use them is I prefer the slip-to-grip ratio of 99s. I like the way the 99s bite when I want them to. The 101s were a little sketch in super smooth parks for the way I skate and the slide wasn't as controlled. They slide too well and I like a little resistance. Now I can do backside power slides, they feel even better on 99s but it took trying them at slower speeds on 101s to dial them in.

If you want to slide at slower speeds or if you're into technical ledge or even curb skating, give them a go. If you're struggling with a certain slide trick or bummed the way your Thunders lock into nose and tail slides, these could be other reasons to try 101s. I've only tried the 101s in 54mm size and classic and radial slim shapes. I'd be curious to try them in a bigger, wider shape.

Ultimately, F4 99s just fucking rule as an all round/ all terrain wheel.

To be clear, in places with actual long snowstorm winters, the concrete is designed to expand and contract with ice. When the ground has to work for both 100+ degrees and 40 below, it has to be made very different in ways that are not conducive to skateboarding. That weather then wreaks havoc on the roads and they have to be replaced pretty frequently. My point is that there is more consistent and rampant bad terrain here. You can't really skate to/from spots around here with 99a even. It can involve a lot of having to pick up your board for blocks at a time.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4224 on: July 16, 2022, 08:20:49 PM »
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...


Said it before but the 99 has always been a good constant and solid feeling wheel to ride, of which I have never had any issues in how they perform for me.

The 101 by comparison has often been hit and miss, sometimes very hard and slippery, sometimes no where near the 99 in how they slide and other factors, which is a funny one, but also been said by a number of people on here and in other conversations I have had.

This is not going into flatspots, warranty problems or product issues, of which I have seen with any and EVERY brand wheel I have ever skated, coming from a shop perspective.


As far as certain shapes and things, they do have almost too many options, so it does make it hard to keep up with almost ten semi regular shapes, most with half a dozen sizes or more, the classic 99 formula, Formula Four 99 and 101 (and 97 now too) plus the 80HD wheels, then natural vs coloured or mixed swirl colouring, all with limiting factors coming into play as well, with manufacturing issues, shortages of materials and whatever else is going on from 2020, through 2021 and now seemingly also into 2022.

I guess too it comes down to what is the most popular wheel to make, which is often not the favourite wheel of any one person, being Classic or Conical Full for a while now, but right now increasingly bigger wider wheels, more so than slim variations.

The Tablet shape seems like it has all but replaced the Radial Slim in that market share, which I know makes some people unhappy, but the Conical (not Conical Full) is also fairly close too, which I recommend anyone try who wanted Radial Slims.

The normal Radial is coming out with more options again too for those who liked that shape.


As said, the Classic and Conical Full wheels are pretty much the main stock that moves, with others like OG Classics also selling fairly well overall too and all three take a majority share of the Spitfire market sales, from what I have seen.  That is not to say that if all I had were one certain shape, they wouldn't be the main seller either, but when people want a specific shape before even setting foot in a store, there is often no need to change their minds to try anything else.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4225 on: July 17, 2022, 06:12:40 AM »
I have some 52 mm conical full is in 101 that are awesome. Big fan. The roads were I live are old, rain beaten. The 101s felt bad day one, and broke in and got a lot better.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4226 on: July 23, 2022, 03:04:25 PM »
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4227 on: July 23, 2022, 06:53:33 PM »
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I wanted but couldn't find them, then I compared the specs with the 55mm OG classics and (only for 55mm) it's pretty much the same wheel so I got those. Rode them for a very long time and loved everything about them. Amazing lock in

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4228 on: July 23, 2022, 07:41:03 PM »
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I've some 54 tabs, they're ok (great if all you skate are ledges and maybe rails). I feel the taller I go the wider I should go as well. At that size I'd prefer the regular conical due to the rounded lip.

I didn't like tablets at all for slappies (but they work) and flatland with big square wheels felt off.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4229 on: July 23, 2022, 08:04:51 PM »
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I'm on 55 tablets  right now although they are closer to 53 at this point. . They've been on four set ups and seem to be lasting really well. I actually like them more now they have worn smaller.

IMO, good on curbs and coping but my flip tricks suffered until they wore down a bit. Like Xen said, bigger square wheels can effect flips... at least when you are old and slow like me...

55 OG classics are very very close in width and contact width. I'd consider those also as they have a slight sidecut.