Spitfire formula four

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I skated this new spot with brand new asphalt and found that my CF 99s are quite slippery there. Actually to the point I found it annoying. Would it be worth getting the 97s instead and maybe a wider wheel like Radial Full?

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Go for 97s if you want more grip.

Thanks, I copped some 97 RFs.

[moonordie]

Pals,

I've been wondering why most people recommend spitfire conical fulls for bowl skaters when in fact when I look at transition skaters like Grosso (RIP), Hewitt, Ronnie Sandoval, Jimmy Wilkens, Omar Hasasan (just to name a few) all rock spitfire classics between 55 and 58 mm. Been on CF's forever but those purple classics look soooo good.

Probably because after they lose 1 - 2mm they start to become a fat conical

[Sedition]

Pals,

I've been wondering why most people recommend spitfire conical fulls for bowl skaters when in fact when I look at transition skaters like Grosso (RIP), Hewitt, Ronnie Sandoval, Jimmy Wilkens, Omar Hasasan (just to name a few) all rock spitfire classics between 55 and 58 mm. Been on CF's forever but those purple classics look soooo good.

Grosso was a big fan of the Classic Fulls. And considering the current Full trend, it’s bewildering they haven’t put those in production again.

[swellbowed]

[144p]

They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.

[144p]

[Daydream]

 Niceee. Thanks for sharing, those would be ideal

[bombsaway86]

I have no need for a 90a wheel, but they look so cool I’ll probably still buy a set just to try

[manysnakes]

They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.

I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).

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Soon we'll have over 20 different duros from 78 to 101 like it even matters any more.

[Sedition]

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They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.

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I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).

Yup.

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They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.

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I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).

i wonder how close they will be to dragons tho. Or if that’s for the 95 F4 supposedly testing. But what you meant I think is how close these will be to oj key frames, 87a, as a wheel shape that resembles a steeet wheel

I have both key frames and dragons and want to try these

[switchfakie]

yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

[iw0]

yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

hm i see conical full and radial full both listed as having 60mm sizes as does the og classics, can't vouch for them being in shops though

edit: last time i saw 60mm og classics actually in a shop they sold out in record time

[Samsquantch]

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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

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hm i see conical full and radial full both listed as having 60mm sizes as does the og classics, can't vouch for them being in shops though

edit: last time i saw 60mm og classics actually in a shop they sold out in record time

One set left if you don't mind ordering from Canada.

https://www.sourceboards.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-classic-99a-red-wheels-60mm

[Paco Supreme]

Kaders new wheel comes in a 59

[Mbrimson88]

yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

[switchfakie]

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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time

[switchfakie]

[Mbrimson88]

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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time

That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.

[bombsaway86]

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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time

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That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.

58s are perfect for vert, 60s feel massive. I recently stepped down to 56s and am still able to do everything I could on 58s. I’m loving the 56s because they accelerate quicker and still go fast enough that I can blast airs

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Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.

[downtodevin]

Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.

I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.

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Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.

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I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.

I'll report back as soon as I get to skate them properly. I got the Radial Fulls and they're a little wider than my 56mm CFulls. I never had radials before and I already love the looks.

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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time

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That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.

damn thats some useful insight

always amazed people can tell the difference between 2mm differentials where as I can only notice it at around a 4mm difference

after years of ledge skating, my only outlook on the wheels issue was big wheels = faster but heavier. i never really thought about vert skaters really caring about the shape of a wheel

also i guess you're right in that there is a threshold in usefullness of the size of the wheel

maybe i just need to learn how to pump better to get more use of my 56/58mm's bc it seems like all the transition bois are at that size

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Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.

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I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.

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I'll report back as soon as I get to skate them properly. I got the Radial Fulls and they're a little wider than my 56mm CFulls. I never had radials before and I already love the looks.

Only had about 15mins to skate around the town. This may not be new information but personal first impressions are that on smooth asphalt these roll as good as my 99s, handle crusty surfaces a bit better and feel slightly muted compared to 99s.

[Fooj]

Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future

[Painted Baby]

Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future

I feel like, depending on your weight, wheel wells AND Indy standard/hollows to avoid risers. Polar's probably got something for ya

[tuesday]

Aren't Indy stage 4 higher than the standards? Would try these if that's the case and you're up for a set-up change to accommodate the Kaders.

[munchbox]

Aren't Indy stage 4 higher than the standards? Would try these if that's the case and you're up for a set-up change to accommodate the Kaders.

they arent
id suggest wheels wells, high concave decks, or wax