Spitfire formula four

[Xen]

I know these new duros and shape combos fill niche needs but as a person who gets anxious over too many options and the fear of what I like to be unavailable or discontinued, I'm just gonna stick with 99 f4s and just suffer any shortcomings.

The only thing you can count on are classics and wide ass fulls over every other shape...oh and fucking tablets for some reason.

I'm honstely suprised conicals don't get much love.

Big wheels and short WBs...weird era.

[pinkeye fieri]

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I know these new duros and shape combos fill niche needs but as a person who gets anxious over too many options and the fear of what I like to be unavailable or discontinued, I'm just gonna stick with 99 f4s and just suffer any shortcomings.

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The only thing you can count on are classics and wide ass fulls over every other shape...oh and fucking tablets for some reason.

I'm honstely suprised conicals don't get much love.

Big wheels and short WBs...weird era.

i would like to believe that the big wheel trend, extra wide full soft etc, is reflecting/facilitating skaters getting out of the skateparks and into the crusty streets. i would rather see folks out there creatively re-purposing and damaging the stale corporate architecture of the hellscape we live in, vs. staying confined to "sanctioned skate areas" with smooth pavenent, payed for by cities to keep us out of the streets, with a mutual expectation of compliance. i have never watched a sick street part and then thought to myself "wow i want to go to a skatepark now" idk

[roba]

i think the new gear is following the current trends, not the other way around

[BeachChicken]

I've got 93s and they're pretty great. My skatepark has sticky coping so I prefer a 99, which in a wider Radial shape is also fine for asphalt and a rougher park. The new 97 might be the sweet spot. I could prob skate any of them just fine but often time I leave the 99 on just because I can.

For the most part I like the speed of the Radial over a Classic in the same shape but top out prob at 54-55. I was at Poods recently and saw Dylan Jaeb and noticed he had the silver swirl of a 54 Classic. Most younger kids seem to have that as their minimum and also rip across way more terrain types than at least when I was a kid and you skated 50-51 OR a giant transition setup. Spitfire makes the shapes I like down to 50-52 so I'm not too bummed and a 53 93 or 97 skating crust would easily wear smaller, quicker. I've never liked tablets or super narrow wheels and lately love the pinch of a wider wheel so as long as they do 1 shape I like I'll adapt and get used to it.

[Monolithic Flick]

Little bit about the wheels among the rest of Pedro’s vlog.

Am somewhat intrigued by the 57mm.

[Xen]

Little bit about the wheels among the rest of Pedro’s vlog.

Am somewhat intrigued by the 57mm.

In stock (57mm are more $$ =(
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Delfino_Radial_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFPDWH.html?color=WH

[Mbrimson88]

In stock (57mm are more $$ =(

I don't know so much about everywhere, but locally here in AU any wheel over 56 mm has been a higher price for a while now, just like any DLX deck over 8.5 has been a higher price as well.

56 mm to 57 mm and up add on about $3 to $5 per set

8.5 to 8.6 and up add on about $5 to $10 per deck

DLX trucks still seem to be the same price regardless of width, but I was wondering if they would also go up, as some other brands have gone up $3 to $8 per set of trucks from 8 through 8.5 being one price, then going up for any 8.75 and higher width.


Just something I have noticed anyway, not a big deal to me, but I can see if you are on the upper side of those sizes, you would be paying more for every set of wheels, or every deck in some places.

[scab]

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In stock (57mm are more $$ =(

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I don't know so much about everywhere, but locally here in AU any wheel over 56 mm has been a higher price for a while now

That's also the case here in the EU, at least for Spitfire. Smaller and medium diameters sell for 75 euros, anything 57mm and up goes for 80 euros per set now... That's 20 euros more than a set cost 2 years ago (and equals about 88 USD). I always have to laugh when I browse US sites and see the prices. Y'all pals over there don't know how good you have it  .

[rawbertson.]

Duro is only good for checking how much shit you will absorb. it is not a good indication of slide at all anymore.

I dont really understand why spitfire classics feel so slow to me now
I am riding Classic 55mm, brand new, feels so so slow. has bones swiss in them that i cleaned and seems like they are spinning great not sure if there is anytihng else i am missing, maybe should try some other bearings in.

I switch to my 56mm radial Soft Slider, and i am flying. They are worn down to like 54mm now. Switch to my 58mm Radial full, 99a, its pretty much the same speed, sometimes even faster. It feels like I slide way better on these wide tread wheels, the Classic f4 99a feels so sticky...

I remember whne I got brand new conical fulls they felt so fucking icy. 54mm 99a F4.

you would think with skinnier tread it would be faster and slider more but it seems slower and shittier for slide to me... i cant explain it

[Too Frank To Fred]

Perhaps Rebound? The higher quality urethane has more rebound. Some people like the feel of the classics but they just seem to sink into the riding surface to me. Sluggish.

Urethane wizards can make urethane feel more 'in the pavement' or 'on top of the pavement.'

I think we have to thank our downhill brethren for some of this.

[Monolithic Flick]

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Little bit about the wheels among the rest of Pedro’s vlog.

Am somewhat intrigued by the 57mm.

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In stock (57mm are more $$ =(
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Delfino_Radial_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFPDWH.html?color=WH

Just a $3 dollar difference, right?  I don't actually need them, at all.  Pretty satisfied with my 56mm 93's.  But I'm sure the consumerism and soon a bunch of YouTube 'reviews' will have me shelling out some dough to check them out. I'm kind of a sucker.

[Xen]

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In stock (57mm are more $$ =(

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I don't know so much about everywhere, but locally here in AU any wheel over 56 mm has been a higher price for a while now, just like any DLX deck over 8.5 has been a higher price as well.

56 mm to 57 mm and up add on about $3 to $5 per set

8.5 to 8.6 and up add on about $5 to $10 per deck

DLX trucks still seem to be the same price regardless of width, but I was wondering if they would also go up, as some other brands have gone up $3 to $8 per set of trucks from 8 through 8.5 being one price, then going up for any 8.75 and higher width.


Just something I have noticed anyway, not a big deal to me, but I can see if you are on the upper side of those sizes, you would be paying more for every set of wheels, or every deck in some places.

I've noted the change some time back (here in the US) with a few brands taking this approach (and trucks for sure once you get into the 9"+ range); understandable given the materials. E.g., those heroin deck prices are getting insane!

[rawbertson.]

its kind of comical that right now, I can get Big Beatdowns (62mm) on Sale for cheaper than lil beatdowns regular price (43mm)



Seems like the normal price in Canada for Big Beatdown is only like $5 more than lil' beatdown. lol well worth it i would say. especially if you own an angle grinder 

[Xen]

its kind of comical that right now, I can get Big Beatdowns (62mm) on Sale for cheaper than lil beatdowns regular price (43mm)



Seems like the normal price in Canada for Big Beatdown is only like $5 more than lil' beatdown. lol well worth it i would say. especially if you own an angle grinder 

Sweetbebejeebus, those prices are insane. I'd for sure skate big wheels all the time...hell I might even just skate big-ass STFs since they wear down twice as slow (and they don't charge more per mm, atleast direct).

[spanyard]

Does anyone know if the wheels that Quasi sells on their site are spitfires? They have a duro of 83B which I'm not sure what the A equivalent is. They do call them conical shaped so that's why I'm wondering if they're spits.

[Scottboarding]

Does anyone know if the wheels that Quasi sells on their site are spitfires? They have a duro of 83B which I'm not sure what the A equivalent is. They do call them conical shaped so that's why I'm wondering if they're spits.

83B would be 103A. They aren't Spitfire, the guesses I've seen on here were that they're made by Creative.

[spanyard]

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Does anyone know if the wheels that Quasi sells on their site are spitfires? They have a duro of 83B which I'm not sure what the A equivalent is. They do call them conical shaped so that's why I'm wondering if they're spits.

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83B would be 103A. They aren't Spitfire, the guesses I've seen on here were that they're made by Creative.

Thanks!

[Mbrimson88]

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Does anyone know if the wheels that Quasi sells on their site are spitfires? They have a duro of 83B which I'm not sure what the A equivalent is. They do call them conical shaped so that's why I'm wondering if they're spits.

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83B would be 103A. They aren't Spitfire, the guesses I've seen on here were that they're made by Creative.

Definitely not Spitfire or anything similar, although they did feel like a pretty good wheel when I had a set, just to see what they were like.


* I hadn't seen the other reply, but for a non Spitfire or Bones wheel, they were better than I expected.

its kind of comical that right now, I can get Big Beatdowns (62mm) on Sale for cheaper than lil beatdowns regular price (43mm)

Seems like the normal price in Canada for Big Beatdown is only like $5 more than lil' beatdown. lol well worth it i would say. especially if you own an angle grinder 

Funny thing with those Beatdowns series, not sure whether they over ordered, or the wheels just didn't sell as hoped, but there are a ton around.

Maybe it is the Classic shape, so people are just not as keen as a Full shape, or the nostalgia of a really big, or really small wheel just didn't quite make it as hoped.

Either way, I would be stoked to take down some of the 60 + mm sizes to a more comfortable 56 mm or so, which in turn would mean a very nice shape and good wide riding surface.

That's just me though!

[nurkdurk]

I dont really understand why spitfire classics feel so slow to me now
I am riding Classic 55mm, brand new, feels so so slow. has bones swiss in them that i cleaned and seems like they are spinning great not sure if there is anytihng else i am missing, maybe should try some other bearings in.

I switch to my 56mm radial Soft Slider, and i am flying. They are worn down to like 54mm now. Switch to my 58mm Radial full, 99a, its pretty much the same speed, sometimes even faster. It feels like I slide way better on these wide tread wheels, the Classic f4 99a feels so sticky...

It’s not your bearings, I just had pretty much the same thing happen.

My transition set up has 56 f4 99 og classics with new Swiss 6.

Ledge/street board had 55 f4 99 classics worn to about 54. Ancient reds from 20 years ago I found in my shop this summer (new in box).

Wife’s set up had 54 f4 97 classics with G2s.


On Friday I swapped to 54 radial 93s on the street set up. Did not have to push as hard or as often at the local for the same speed on ledges. Did a round in the big bowl, was slashing coping for the pump I would give to just get high on the wall before.

Did some revert stuff on ramps and then tail slides on a polished granite curb, the 93s slid much faster. Fast enough to do a sick tailbone slide that cut the session short.

This isn’t an apples to apples comp on the og classics or the 97a due to bearings, but I swear the 93 radials felt faster than any of the others. They make the crust of my driveway skateable too.

Thanks for letting me roll on your board 144p…..you might have just sold two more sets of the 93s

[Xen]

Duro is only good for checking how much shit you will absorb. it is not a good indication of slide at all anymore.

I dont really understand why spitfire classics feel so slow to me now
I am riding Classic 55mm, brand new, feels so so slow. has bones swiss in them that i cleaned and seems like they are spinning great not sure if there is anytihng else i am missing, maybe should try some other bearings in.

I switch to my 56mm radial Soft Slider, and i am flying. They are worn down to like 54mm now. Switch to my 58mm Radial full, 99a, its pretty much the same speed, sometimes even faster. It feels like I slide way better on these wide tread wheels, the Classic f4 99a feels so sticky...

I remember whne I got brand new conical fulls they felt so fucking icy. 54mm 99a F4.

you would think with skinnier tread it would be faster and slider more but it seems slower and shittier for slide to me... i cant explain it

My last set of 99a classics (burn squad Lopez, so a recent drop) felt like total shit out of the wrap (came off 99a OGs, the pink ones); the lopez's were slow/gummy, seating/popping the bearings out of them felt super spongey/could put them in by hand (like the soft sliders/dragons/x97s)...not the OGs tho, takes more effort with bearings, and have much more chirp/vibration/better slide and speed. They felt 'normal'. Went back to the 93a classics and they felt loads better than those 99s in every way.

Since both our sets were new maybe just an off batch?

Could also chalk it up to just how good the 93s/x/-forms are compared to, literally, everyone's 99a, they just don't match up. The softer/slidey formulas do everything better than 99a for me - I can't wait for the spit 97s...tho spit branding them as absorbing like the 93s and sliding like the 99s gives me pause, as I find the 93s slide just as well, if not better than the 99s of late.

[rikki]

I'm interested in the new 97 formula as well, but to be honest, given how good the 93s are (it's pretty amazing, really), I'm not sure the new 97s are gonna make much of a difference. Remains to be seen.

[scab]

The softer/slidey formulas do everything better than 99a for me - I can't wait for the spit 97s...tho spit branding them as absorbing like the 93s and sliding like the 99s gives me pause, as I find the 93s slide just as well, if not better than the 99s of late.

I'm interested in the new 97 formula as well, but to be honest, given how good the 93s are (it's pretty amazing, really), I'm not sure the new 97s are gonna make much of a difference. Remains to be seen.

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. I've never been as happy with my wheels as I am with the 93s. If push comes to shove I'm actually more confident in my 93s sliding the way I need them to than the 99s. Sooo... I really don't need the new 97s. But the happy little consumerist in me still can't wait to give them a try. Fuck my wallet. At least Pedro is going to get some royalties off of me, hopefully,

[rikki]

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. I've never been as happy with my wheels as I am with the 93s. If push comes to shove I'm actually more confident in my 93s sliding the way I need them to than the 99s. Sooo... I really don't need the new 97s. But the happy little consumerist in me still can't wait to give them a try. Fuck my wallet. At least Pedro is going to get some royalties off of me, hopefully,

Yeah, for sure, and the 55mm size is a big plus as that feels like the goldilock size for me these days.

[WideFeet]

I’m sure this has been answered before but….

Was the Mike Anderson SFW shape a Conical Full, or an OG Classic? Or was it neither?

[Democratic Republic Of Mongo]

I’m sure this has been answered before but….

Was the Mike Anderson SFW shape a Conical Full, or an OG Classic? Or was it neither?

I still have the 53mm ones. They are closer to conical full than OG Classic. Like a wider OG Classic

[Xen]

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Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. I've never been as happy with my wheels as I am with the 93s. If push comes to shove I'm actually more confident in my 93s sliding the way I need them to than the 99s. Sooo... I really don't need the new 97s. But the happy little consumerist in me still can't wait to give them a try. Fuck my wallet. At least Pedro is going to get some royalties off of me, hopefully,

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Yeah, for sure, and the 55mm size is a big plus as that feels like the goldilock size for me these days.

NGL, these are intimidating for someone that rides 52mm V3s on the regular. I'm going to have to bump back to Slappys or Indy standards, royals ain't gonna handle 55mm...maybe 159s too, these things eat up a huge amout of 149 grind room.

[BeachChicken]

I just got some new 99's and no issues with them vs any other I've ridden. Came off 93's and don't really miss them although they're great as well. At our local parks and a few dusty ledge spots they catch a bit more than I'd like, but it's splitting hairs these days.

I've ridden 54's on Thunders a ton of times and know a decent amount of people that seem to if you ride medium-ish or tighter it should be fine. Even Suciu does 53 conical fulls on forged.

[Xen]

I just got some new 99's and no issues with them vs any other I've ridden. Came off 93's and don't really miss them although they're great as well. At our local parks and a few dusty ledge spots they catch a bit more than I'd like, but it's splitting hairs these days.

I've ridden 54's on Thunders a ton of times and know a decent amount of people that seem to if you ride medium-ish or tighter it should be fine. Even Suciu does 53 conical fulls on forged.

I'm around 188lbs on average so me and thunder Teams (even with 100a bushings) don't get along very well above 51mm wheels, so that's not gonna happen =D and I've tried 54s on Royals, I don't ride them tight enough (not sure how Gass does it).

Pretty sure I can get away with my slappys (being roughly 54mm, 1mm isn't shit), tho I'm stuck on the 149 vs 159 (I don't have 8.75 slappys anymore) as I'm not a wide wheel guy, they just eat up so much hanger (I'm coming off 8.75 royals with 50ishmm STF v3s, acres of hanger and super easy curb dancing, this throws that in the bin).

I went 55 for how fast they wear.

[WideFeet]

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I’m sure this has been answered before but….

Was the Mike Anderson SFW shape a Conical Full, or an OG Classic? Or was it neither?

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I still have the 53mm ones. They are closer to conical full than OG Classic. Like a wider OG Classic

Thanks! Loved that wheel. Hybrid shape makes sense. I remember it being wide like Conical Full, but not the same shape.

[BeachChicken]

Griff is actually on 56s now which is even more nuts! Chris Athans runs 56s on Thunders with no risers and that's really pushing it. Once they wear a bit you might be able to make do on a smaller truck.

My local shop said they'd have stock of 53s Friday so here's hoping. I think they could be the happy medium I wanted out of the Bones 97/99. I'm curious if they will sound more like the 93 or 99 as well.