Wheels Thread

[Murge]

@FuzzGNU oh okay I get it now. Thank you for explaining. Really curious about the 93a now but 95a don’t sound bad at all

[FuzzGNU]

Finally got to try the Bones/PP 95a in a slippery blacktop parking lot. Its a parking lot I've slipped out on F4 99a many times before.

Seemed to handle it better than my F4 99a. Grips a bit better in that regard. I didn't put it to any major tests like really powersliding hard, but for going around pretty fast and taking medium turns I wasn't having any problems. I had to leave fairly quickly so no major testing.

I do have to reiterate though, these things really struggle with pebbles more than F4 99a. I've gotten thrown forward off my board several times on these things. Again, its like a 101a wheel. I'm sure the softer duros are probably more suited for the areas I skate.

I actually should be getting my hands on some 90a and 93a soon. I'm really hoping those are a bit more of ATV wheels. I've been enjoying the formula aside from them being overly hard, so I've got high hopes for the 93a... but I have no idea what to expect from the 90a. I wonder if that's where the wheels start to feel a bit bouncy/cruisery.

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

[goodatmeth]

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

[chris.]

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

I've put in some time on my "thought they were AG but probably are OG" SMLs now and I really dig them!  Happy with the wheels, and not missing F4s.

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@Cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!

[cliff]

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

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Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!

This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born. 

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

[close]

 

If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

[close]

We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

[close]

Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

[close]

From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

[close]

Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

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Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!

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This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born.

You're a national treasure. Should have asked above but always wanted to know: who pours the 92a cruiser wheels?Haven't tried them yet but have been tempted as of late.

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi

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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

[close]

We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

[close]

From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

[close]

Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

[close]

Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!

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This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born.

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You're a national treasure. Should have asked above but always wanted to know: who pours the 92a cruiser wheels?Haven't tried them yet but have been tempted as of late.

Thanks but I'm just a guy who loves this shit ha!

All cruisers are Aend urethane. They make a great cruiser and we've experimented a bit. 

[texasplant]

What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)

[Mbrimson88]

What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)

Even the Lil Smokies are proportionate, as in the smaller the diameter, the more narrow the width too, I think the 50mm are only 30 or 31 at most wide, so checking with local skate shops (in their left overs bin) or trying to deal with friends or others who have old worn down wider wheels might be a lot easier to get what you want.

That said I think besides Boardy Cakes, Prize Fighter Cutlery was another one that had small but wide wheels.  The three current options on their site were not that wide though.

I have a lot of smaller wider wheels, mainly Spitfire Conical Full 54mm 99 duro when new and am happy to share (in Brisbane, Australia) but there are so many people tossing good but small wheels all the time, if you are in the right place at the right time.


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What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)

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Even the Lil Smokies are proportionate, as in the smaller the diameter, the more narrow the width too, I think the 50mm are only 30 or 31 at most wide, so checking with local skate shops (in their left overs bin) or trying to deal with friends or others who have old worn down wider wheels might be a lot easier to get what you want.

That said I think besides Boardy Cakes, Prize Fighter Cutlery was another one that had small but wide wheels.  The three current options on their site were not that wide though.

I have a lot of smaller wider wheels, mainly Spitfire Conical Full 54mm 99 duro when new and am happy to share (in Brisbane, Australia) but there are so many people tossing good but small wheels all the time, if you are in the right place at the right time.


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Thanks for the suggestions, they all look great… unfortunately I jumped the gun on the spitfires and bought them anyways. that tiny bit of width difference is okay, I’m moreso worried about having conical sides so it’ll keep me happy. The second hand ones I’m skating now just aren’t quite big enough to lock nicely on transition

[Mbrimson88]

Thanks for the suggestions, they all look great… unfortunately I jumped the gun on the spitfires and bought them anyways. that tiny bit of width difference is okay, I’m moreso worried about having conical sides so it’ll keep me happy. The second hand ones I’m skating now just aren’t quite big enough to lock nicely on transition

New wheels always feel nicer anyway.

I get you too with the lock in on transition.  I find newer wheels (or those machined ones in the middle board of that last lot) that are more rounded on the edge, no matter how wide, definitely lock in a lot better, even going as far as saying that slightly bigger wheels are easier even on my 2 ft mini ramp in my shed, with the smaller ones usually being best on curb or carpark session boards.  I guess I have a few too many setups though, so I have something specific for the ramp, something setup just for carpark curbs and something else for park and transition skating round here.  Not that I couldn't skate any of them on any terrain, but some things are nicer with specific setups.

[realbasedgod112]

What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)

checking around facebook marketplace or whatever for old wheels could prove useful, as a lot of people sell their old worn down shit

[FuzzGNU]

I gotta get to bed, so this is going to be short. I'll follow up tomorrow.

The past two days I've been skating the new formula PP/Bones wheels in 93a duro V6 shape 56mm.

I don't want to overhype these but... They are personally my favorite skate wheels I've ever ridden.

I was shocked to find out these 93a V6 actually break into powerslide EASIER than the 97a and 95a cored ATF shape I was skating. Whoever in this thread said "cores can be a wildcard" must be right, because I was not expecting these to be easier to slide than the harder duros. The cores had to be affecting things.

The best I can describe these wheels is its if Bones made Spitfire F4 99a's, but slightly better in almost every way. I'm sure they probably have some issues with grind friction, but I haven't been able to test them yet.

Really stoked about these. I hope the official release has them in V6 because these are amazing.

[goodatmeth]

I gotta get to bed, so this is going to be short. I'll follow up tomorrow.

The past two days I've been skating the new formula PP/Bones wheels in 93a duro V6 shape 56mm.

I don't want to overhype these but... They are personally my favorite skate wheels I've ever ridden.

I was shocked to find out these 93a V6 actually break into powerslide EASIER than the 97a and 95a cored ATF shape I was skating. Whoever in this thread said "cores can be a wildcard" must be right, because I was not expecting these to be easier to slide than the harder duros. The cores had to be affecting things.

The best I can describe these wheels is its if Bones made Spitfire F4 99a's, but slightly better in almost every way. I'm sure they probably have some issues with grind friction, but I haven't been able to test them yet.

Really stoked about these. I hope the official release has them in V6 because these are amazing.

I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail

[FuzzGNU]

I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail

I'm sorry! Okay, I will give these a full review.

As I've said earlier in this thread, I had some issues with the 97a (and to a lesser extent 95a) which both had the hard core ATF hub. I have no idea which issues I had were related to the durometer being too hard, and which were related to the hub. However, I now suspect the power slide initiation issues must have been related to the hard inner hub. It may have caused those wheels to feel overly vibratey on rough streets too(?), but that could easily just be the durometer. There is a pretty big leap in vibration reduction from the 95a hubbed to these 93a unhubbed though, so I think the hub is probably to blame for the vibrations as well.

With that being said, these wheels basically solved all the issues I had with the 97a and 95a hubbed versions.

Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:

+ Feel like 99a or 98a. Not bouncy or muted feeling. Definitely a street skating trick wheel. Doesn't feel "heavy" or "delayed" doing tricks.
+ Vibrate less on rough surfaces and maintain speed on rough surfaces better than F4 99a.
+ Handle cracks/pebbles/twigs a bit better than F4 99.
+ Revert/spin better than F4.
+ Break into powerslide way better than the 97a/95a hubbed version, and are a bit more controllable once sliding than F4 99a.
+ Haven't slipped out yet while riding or sliding. They grip very well. Requires a bit more intentional action to initiate a powerslide but not an excessive amount. Large margin of error in terms of force you can apply for powerslides since they don't slip out as easily during slides.
+ Can break into powerslides even at low speeds.
+ V6 shape is better than Conical Full in my opinion. Deeper cut that goes all the way down to the bearing. Actually weighed 56mm CFs and these were ~10% lighter (~275g vs. ~305g)

+/- Has a slightly different slide feel than F4. They have about the same amount of friction overall. I personally prefer this slide, it just took a bit of adjustment to get used to the initiation. It feels like while F4 rely a bit more on being rubbery friction, these use vibration to regulate slides. It somehow feels like it slides easier once sliding but also more controlable during slides.
+/- About the same top speed as F4 99a, maybe these are a bit faster but its pretty close... but I've been swapping around bearings and such so I wasn't able to get a precise 1:1 comparison for this.

- Very slightly less groundfeel than F4 99a. Its subtle. That is part of the trade off for it handling rough roads better I guess. Its not very noticeable, but I've been doing 1:1 comparisons back to back so I can tell.
- Take slightly more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a. Its not a huge issue, I've already gotten used to it, and it makes up for it by being harder to slip out on.
- The hubbed 97a and 95a felt a bit faster than this duro... to be expected, but its worth mentioning because those other wheels were so fast.
- I've heard they are sticky for slides and pinched grinds. I haven't gotten to try myself, but could be a dealbreaker for some I'm sure if its bad enough. I have no idea to what extent... and if its something that you can get used to or not.

I honestly have got to give these a 9.5/10 for my purposes. These wheels are pretty fucking awesome and sort of a dream wheel for me.

I've got some of these in 90a on the backburner, but I honestly don't want to take these off my board to try them. I'll have to grab some new bearings so I can go back and forth between the two.

I'm also now curious about how those 95a would feel WITHOUT the hub... if they aren't as vibratey and initiate slides better, those could be a really solid wheel too.

[manysnakes]

You can just mail the 90a wheels to me for testing.

[fernando the skater]

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I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail

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Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:

I guess these are the wheels that && was going on about on his Instagram the other day. Softer, but slide easier. Sounds like a good combination.

[FuzzGNU]

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I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail

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Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:

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I guess these are the wheels that && was going on about on his Instagram the other day. Softer, but slide easier. Sounds like a good combination.

Yeah it is those. You can check earlier in the thread I've talked about the other ones I've tried.

From the sounds of it, it's that Soft Slide formula they've had on their downhill wheels, but retooled for harder duros?

They actually feel harder than their duro. Rough translation based on what I've skated (core might have affected things).

97a w/ core = ~103a
95a w/ core = ~101a
93a no core = 98-99a

If I had to guess the 90a probably will start feeling like a 95a cruisery wheel but with a nice slide. Haven't gotten to ride them yet though.

[FuzzGNU]

You can just mail the 90a wheels to me for testing.

PM'd you.

[FuzzGNU]

I just took the 93a to a parking lot that has given me trouble in the past. Slick blacktop with tons of rocks everywhere.

These things are shitkicking wheels. Its like the Spitfire 97a where it just shoots rocks away from you like a field goal kicker. I was actually laughing out loud while skating because of the amount of rocks it was shooting without really slowing down, where other wheels would send me fucking flying. Even at low speeds I was just rolling over rocks fine. I usually get tossed off my board by rocks and slip outs in this parking lot.

I also was wrecklessly skating TRYING to slip out to find their limit, and I couldn't get them to slip out. I was going full speed and powersliding, taking sharp turns... these things grip so much better than F4 99a. Even F4 97a slip out in this lot. That's going to be the closest thing I can give to a "indoor park" test.

I really hope I'm not overhyping these things for anyone. I'm sure people will find issues with grinding (again haven't been able to test myself)... but as far as everything else is concerned, these things are amazing.

I also skated another parking lot that is really rough and had to retrain myself to not have to push as many times at the spot as I usually do on F4 99a because these manage to maintain speed over the shitty lot better. There's also streets to and from spots where I usually pick up my board (except on F4 97a) and these tackle it like a champ.

I don't know what else to say. They're like if F4 97a slid amazingly, didn't feel bouncy/muted, and weren't as slow.

[Murge]

Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued

[Mbrimson88]

Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued

The last sets I got were still Made in USA, but who knows now.


I think the issue was having enough space to do everything as well as the volume of product that they could release in their existing location compared to having supply from additional woodshops in Mexico and China for their boards, from a while back, which freed up space and allowed them to keep going with things like wheels in the US.

Mini logo is all made in China, hence the price - great for a decent product - but the core Bones and Powell wheels still had that USA line on the wheel packaging, which others had also preferred.


So weird how they got seemingly caught up in the duro / colour thing to make wheels more like Spitfire, which then caused more people to go elsewhere, when they had the bright white wheel and a really good product for so many years, but I guess there will always be those who prefer Spitfire and those who prefer Bones for whatever reasons.

[FuzzGNU]

Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued

From what I've heard the 93a (and 90a) is going to be Powell Peralta branded, but Bones shapes. So get ready for some dragons and swords graphics lol. Hopefully the graphics come off easily.

I agree I think V6 is so much better than Conical Full. I really want to try OG Classics, but man I'm not sure if I want to go back to F4.

The most recent pair of Bones I have in package says made in USA. I think it's a graphic from the past year.

[GT]

167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.

[intendedreceivers]

167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.

I’ve seen Keyframes and Coffee Cruisers in 52mm, but that’s about it.

[Mbrimson88]

167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.

There are a lot of small cruiser wheels, eg 90 duro or less which are really soft, but are you after that soft or just a little bit, eg still a normal wheel only not as hard, such as more in the 92, 95 or 97 duro range?

Santa Cruz / Slimeball normal wheels come in lower duro and size, down to 52mm which are maybe the most common around.

Ricta clouds come in smaller sizes too, medium to soft duros.


I guess if you had roughly size and duro options, I could look for some more too.

[drinny]

Love 97 spits for everything else, but 101 for speed and snap in smooth parks.... very curious about this PP formula

Don’t even really think there’s much bounce on 97 spits personally just a good 90’s(decade) feeling wheel... slides fine for me, all in on them now for crust wheel, adapted to Keyframes (def a bit bouncy) on street fine before... was just certain times they’d stick on ledges so switched it and not looked back.

[FuzzGNU]

OK finally got to skate the Bones/PP SSF 90a 54mm V6.

They definitely cross into the realm of feeling like cruiser wheels, but can still do tricks. I would definitely recommend the SSF 93a if you are purely trick skating. I've never owned anything softer than Spitfire F4 97a, but from my recollection these feel softer than those. These felt pillowy soft but still had some ground feel too which was nice. If I had to guess, these maybe feel like a traditional 94-95a wheel maybe? I'm just guessing.

The SSF 90a are a little bouncy (like the F4 97a) and are harder to slide and revert (which is to be expected) than hard wheels, just into the point of being annoying... but not bad at all for such a soft wheels. They slide better than F4 97a for sure.

They also have a bit of a smooth mushy slide? Doesn't have the bark that the harder wheels like the 93a-97a have. It actually felt like it kept slipping out a bit when sliding unlike the 93a which I couldn't get to slip out even once. I never fully slipped out, but I can definitely feel that it is a possibility.

I can't complain about them tackling rough terrain though. They were handling rough sidewalks and streets even better than the 93a (which already do a great job)... however the wheel was noticeably slower (again, all to be expected with a softer wheel). I actually rode up this fucked up crusty "ramp" thing that I hadn't even attempted to do with other wheels.

If you're looking for a cruiser wheel that slides, these things definitely slide and revert. I was able to do tricks on them just fine, but they ARE a bit sticky though.

I'm going to be honest... I'm not familiar enough with soft wheels to make a proper evaluation on them vs. other mainstays. I've skated Spitfire F4 97a, and those were okay. I would choose the SSF 93a as a bit of a "best of both worlds" hybrid of the best parts of the F4 99a and F4 97a. The SSF 90s are softer than the F4 97a, so its hard to compare the two, but obviously I would choose the SSF 90a if the SSF 93a wasn't cruisery enough. I would describe these as a cruiser wheel you can do tricks on and slide, and still have a little ground feel.

Overall from what I've tried:

97a hub/cored - I wouldn't recommend unless you skate super smooth terrain and like 103a wheels. Struggled with pebbles and sidewalk cracks even. Maybe they are better without the hub and not as hard feeling. Amazing revert, but struggled with powerslides? Very fast.

95a hub/cored - I would recommend to people who like hard wheels. They feel like 101a or so. They struggle with pebbles though. Amazing revert but struggled with powerslides? Almost as fast as the 97a.

I suspect a lot of the issues I had with the 97a and 95a have to be related to the core, because:

A) It makes no sense that the 93a and 90a would be better at powersliding than the 97a and 95a.

B) The 95a felt so much harder and vibratey than the 93a. It felt like there was a greater leap than 97a cored to 95a cored.

93a no core - My favorite wheel of all time. Feels like a 99a or a tad softer. Great slide, amazing grip. Tackles all the terrain you can throw at it, and kicks pebbles out of the way like crazy. I seriously think these things are going to be super popular.

90a no core - A soft cruiser wheel that can slide. Don't have much to compare it to. The 93a tackles rough stuff so well, that I would only choose these over those in purely transport situations.

If the 95a without the core is a bit softer and powerslides better, I could see that being a great wheel too if you don't need the the extreme crust tackling of the 93a... but having not tried the uncored version, I would just tell everyone to stick with the 93a V6.