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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4950 on: May 09, 2022, 02:02:44 AM »
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.


Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4951 on: May 09, 2022, 06:29:26 AM »
I bought some 57mm Bigheads in the classic formula a couple months ago and I fucking love them. I was very, very surprised by how much I took to them. I did skate these back in the day but I don't think it's a nostalgia thing, it was one set and that was like 18 years ago. 

I moved some stuff around and ended up with my F4s back on my main board and the whole session I just wanted the classic formula back.   Now that I know I can be happy with non-f4, I did pick up some SML wheels recently. Haven't skates those yet though.

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« Reply #4952 on: May 09, 2022, 04:26:01 PM »
I bought some 57mm Bigheads in the classic formula a couple months ago and I fucking love them. I was very, very surprised by how much I took to them. I did skate these back in the day but I don't think it's a nostalgia thing, it was one set and that was like 18 years ago. 

I moved some stuff around and ended up with my F4s back on my main board and the whole session I just wanted the classic formula back.   Now that I know I can be happy with non-f4, I did pick up some SML wheels recently. Haven't skates those yet though.

Are the .smls the AG formula? I really want to give them a go (or just get some OG classics); and not care about flatting them, just to get some nostalgia feel.

What I really want is an F1 feeling wheel...they screeched sooo goood...tempted to nab some hazards as aell.
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« Reply #4953 on: May 09, 2022, 05:05:21 PM »
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4954 on: May 09, 2022, 05:23:48 PM »
Yeah SMLs are on my radar, would love a set of 49mms.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4955 on: May 09, 2022, 06:22:26 PM »
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.
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Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/

I want to amend my earlier statement to say I don’t quite trust the grip on slick skatelite like I would F4.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4956 on: May 09, 2022, 06:47:06 PM »
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4957 on: May 10, 2022, 05:29:27 AM »
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.
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Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.



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I want to amend my earlier statement to say I don’t quite trust the grip on slick skatelite like I would F4.


My big old worn down (so wide contact patch) wheels were great on the wooden / skatelite surfaces I rode them on, but I think I prefer the softer wheels on those more than any normal 99, no matter how weathered or aged.

Sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry with these things, for myself especially.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4958 on: May 10, 2022, 06:48:03 AM »
What's the verdict on the OJ Mini Juice wheels for someone looking for a small, soft cruiser wheel?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4959 on: May 10, 2022, 08:51:13 AM »
WRT the new bones formula discussion on the last page: a buddy of mine managed to get me a pair of the new Bones formula, 93a classic shaped wheels. I haven’t broken them all the way in yet (still have the ridges on the wheel), but I’ve probably put about 4-5 hours in them so far, at both a smooth skatepark and a crusty DIY. They definitely eat up the roughness while still managing to work as a pretty effective “trick wheel.” I could slide lip slides and tail slides on transition, with about the same feel as my spitfire 99s. That being said, tricks with any sort of pinch didn’t seem to work as well/got stuck a little. I think it has something to do with the way the wheel punches against the board? Mostly happened with feebles/smiths/crooks. All in all, though, I think they’re going to be a solid alternative to Spitfires 97 f4s, and NFG 95 formula.

No clue when these will be available.

I’m going to skate them some more today. I can post some pictures later if anyone’s interested

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4960 on: May 10, 2022, 10:54:39 AM »
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear. 

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« Reply #4961 on: May 10, 2022, 10:59:44 AM »
WRT the new bones formula discussion on the last page: a buddy of mine managed to get me a pair of the new Bones formula, 93a classic shaped wheels. I haven’t broken them all the way in yet (still have the ridges on the wheel), but I’ve probably put about 4-5 hours in them so far, at both a smooth skatepark and a crusty DIY. They definitely eat up the roughness while still managing to work as a pretty effective “trick wheel.” I could slide lip slides and tail slides on transition, with about the same feel as my spitfire 99s. That being said, tricks with any sort of pinch didn’t seem to work as well/got stuck a little. I think it has something to do with the way the wheel punches against the board? Mostly happened with feebles/smiths/crooks. All in all, though, I think they’re going to be a solid alternative to Spitfires 97 f4s, and NFG 95 formula.

No clue when these will be available.

I’m going to skate them some more today. I can post some pictures later if anyone’s interested

Makes sense given how they are claiming a different 'vibration frequency' (rolling) when pinched you are not getting the same vibrations as you would on the street since they are pushing against the board/locked into place.

Still, sounds like a fun 'real street' wheel and might open some crusty spots.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4962 on: May 12, 2022, 10:00:05 AM »
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« Reply #4963 on: May 12, 2022, 10:24:20 AM »
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.

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« Reply #4964 on: May 12, 2022, 02:43:51 PM »
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4965 on: May 12, 2022, 02:49:12 PM »
How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more

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« Reply #4966 on: May 12, 2022, 03:05:54 PM »
How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more

Haven't been able to skate anywhere with something to grind yet (and I can't blunt anyways, lol).

I've skated the F4 97a a ton, and those are definitely a bit more "sticky" than these. Its hard to estimate how they will grind based on sliding on road surfaces... if I had to GUESS, I bet the SSF 97a slide better compared to F4 97a (just a hunch). The SSF 95a also slide on the ground better than F4 97a for what its worth. Someone else would have to chime in for blunts.

I could see it being something weird with this formula like they bluntslide well with speed (if you are going fast enough for them to "vibrate") but maybe really stick at lower speeds. But I am talking COMPLETELY out of my ass.

Sorry I couldn't help.

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« Reply #4967 on: May 12, 2022, 03:11:17 PM »
Zach Doelling skating the new 95a bones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I

He confirms it in the comments

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« Reply #4968 on: May 12, 2022, 03:31:36 PM »
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How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more
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Haven't been able to skate anywhere with something to grind yet (and I can't blunt anyways, lol).

I've skated the F4 97a a ton, and those are definitely a bit more "sticky" than these. Its hard to estimate how they will grind based on sliding on road surfaces... if I had to GUESS, I bet the SSF 97a slide better compared to F4 97a (just a hunch). The SSF 95a also slide on the ground better than F4 97a for what its worth. Someone else would have to chime in for blunts.

I could see it being something weird with this formula like they bluntslide well with speed (if you are going fast enough for them to "vibrate") but maybe really stick at lower speeds. But I am talking COMPLETELY out of my ass.

Sorry I couldn't help.

No worries thank you anyway. Sounds like it should be fine

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« Reply #4969 on: May 12, 2022, 06:01:37 PM »
Zach Doelling skating the new 95a bones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I

He confirms it in the comments

Sounds like he is having some issues with nose/tail slides from what he is saying... its expected with this durometer... but its hard to say if its any better or worse than other wheels in that durometer range.

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« Reply #4970 on: May 12, 2022, 09:42:38 PM »
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.


Have you got any word on if the shapes and sizes in this new line are gonna be the same as the current line up or if they're switching it up. I'd love for some more options in the 56-60mm range from Bones in this new line of wheels. A 58mm V5 in the 95a would be perfect.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4971 on: May 13, 2022, 08:49:45 AM »
What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.
I take everything I said back. The board hit me in the nuts for the first time ever today, because i was wearing these shits.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4972 on: May 13, 2022, 10:49:58 AM »
What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.

I have a set of Non-F4 OG Classics that started out as 60mm's and probably around 58-57'ish by now and they have yellowed and going on 2-2.5 years now. the ride also has gotten better on them as if they've hardened but still goes thru rough roads very smoothly. they also got a much louder bark on slides. it so nice that it's been able to do that and i try to savor them as much. Got another Set on ice!

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4973 on: May 13, 2022, 11:14:35 AM »
Have you got any word on if the shapes and sizes in this new line are gonna be the same as the current line up or if they're switching it up. I'd love for some more options in the 56-60mm range from Bones in this new line of wheels. A 58mm V5 in the 95a would be perfect.

From what I know it will be V1 and V4 shapes. Most likely in the 52-56mm range? Sounds like Powell Peralta branding on the 90a and 93a and Bones branding for the 95a and 97a.

That's literally all I know in terms of that stuff though. I don't even know if any of that stuff is set in stone.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4974 on: May 13, 2022, 11:28:52 AM »
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.

Oof.  Cores are a wild card. I’d totally love a cored wheel - like the rough rider shape with conical edges- but it definitely affects the feel. I think vibrations and feeling cracks could likely be due as much to the cores as the formula, and they may be even harder to powerslide without a core.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4975 on: May 13, 2022, 11:56:31 AM »
Why get a 95a wheel if it feels and acts like a 99a?
Why skate a 97a if it’s basically a 101a?

What am I missing? Because it just sounds like the same shit but the duro number will change wrote on the wheel but will act the same.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4976 on: May 13, 2022, 01:16:13 PM »
Why get a 95a wheel if it feels and acts like a 99a?
Why skate a 97a if it’s basically a 101a?

What am I missing? Because it just sounds like the same shit but the duro number will change wrote on the wheel but will act the same.

Its a subtle difference, for sure. It maintains speed on rough surfaces better than the duro it feels like.

So if it feels like a 101a wheel, when you hit those shitty streets it will still FEEL like a 101a wheel... BUT your speed won't grind to a halt like a 101a wheel.

So again, I was testing these on a really shitty street doing a 1:1 comparison between F4 99a and these new wheels. The road "feels" better on the F4 99a (because it absorbs the vibration better), but I was slowing down very quickly. I've got to push my ass off to get down the street. Meanwhile, the really hard SSF 97a wheels were vibrating like crazy. Despite being the type of road that turns your feet numb on 103a wheels... I wasn't grinding to a halt. I was able to push down the street easier than the F4 99. While tactile-wise it was unpleasant, the speed it was maintaining was better than the F4 99a.

In addition to that, these wheels killed the F4 99a on smooth streets. They felt like 103a wheels in terms of speed on smoother terrain.

Personally, the 97a were too hard for me, and the 95a are just on the brink of too hard for me... but my guess is the 93a is possibly going to be the F4 99a competitor, and the 90a might be on the brink between cruiser/trick wheel? No idea.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4977 on: May 13, 2022, 01:32:24 PM »
Interested in hearing how they are on slippery wood/skatelite

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4978 on: May 13, 2022, 01:55:39 PM »
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What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.
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I have a set of Non-F4 OG Classics that started out as 60mm's and probably around 58-57'ish by now and they have yellowed and going on 2-2.5 years now. the ride also has gotten better on them as if they've hardened but still goes thru rough roads very smoothly. they also got a much louder bark on slides. it so nice that it's been able to do that and i try to savor them as much. Got another Set on ice!
That's rad you have another set.

I had some Cardiels that sound like those wheels. When they started to look potato and yellowed a bit, they were the best non f4 spitfires I had skated. Started at 60mm, too.
I take everything I said back. The board hit me in the nuts for the first time ever today, because i was wearing these shits.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4979 on: May 14, 2022, 05:16:55 AM »
@FuzzGNU oh okay I get it now. Thank you for explaining. Really curious about the 93a now but 95a don’t sound bad at all