Wheels Thread

[Sativa Lung]

thought the NFG 95a was noticeably slower than the F4 97a, which makes sense as the spits are obviously harder.
But it was also the NFG Vee shape, super wide contact patch, versus the F4 97a classic shape. But the spits take rough ground so well even still.

Interesting. I'm still trying to decide whether to get the 97a spits or slimeballs. If they had a 53 conical full 97a f4 it would probably make the decision for me, even though 54mm is what I consider my "standard" wheel I've been skating low trucks more frequently so I'm a bit more wary of size right now. Obviously I can't speak for the 97 spits, but the 95A NFG squares seem to be as fast or faster than a 99a tablet in my usual shitty rough cracked lot.

Honestly, I can’t compare to F4s, but the Slime Ball 97as I have aren’t stick at all. Feels like you’re skating a 99a except now the ride is subtly smoother and pebbles aren’t a big deal.

Sounds like its probably the same as the OJ/Creature formula then. That's a plus. I don't skate mine all that often because they're 56mm and black/red swirl is pretty ugly on a lot of setups, but every time I do it reminds me how much I like them. They're the unquestioned october/november acorn crushing champions too.

I need to get some wheels for some kids learning how to skate (6 year old) that are somewhere in between a cruiser wheel and a hard wheel. they basically skate on this terrible parking lot next to their house.

Should I get them SML Big Dreams 92a in 54 or Mini Logo 53 90a?  or does it not really matter at that age.

and are the SML Coffee Cruisers worth checking out? (for myself)

ML has a newer hybrid formula thats 95a. It's a little less cruiser-y than the 90s which feel like you're skating on bouncy balls. They do somewhat slide (the 90s are super sticky) but it takes quite a bit of effort. None of that really matters if the kids are just going to be pushing around a lot and not doing tricks, so I'd probably just get whatever you can find cheapest at your local.

Is Satori poured by Creative? I've been skating some for the past month and a half and they are performing very good, like surprisingly good.

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How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones

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This is an old one, but looking for any other feedback on PWC (other than being made at Creative, are they still?)

I just ordered a set of REALLY wide 55mms. Should be here tomorrow. Realizing a wider wheel on mini ramp is a good idea for control purposes. I think they're 25.5mm contact!!
https://www.unheardpdx.com/james-martin-55mm/

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PWC = good dudes, very average wheels. I'd love to support them but after riding F4s, I just can't. You'll likey get a solid set of wheel but the won't be as fast, durable or flat spot resistant as an F4/ Bones.

Satori and PWC are both creative. They aren't as good as F4 but I'd still class them as well above average. I have some PWC and Jivaro (same distro and probably same formulas/molds) and they're miles ahead of what I'd consider baseline (ML 101a or bones 100 would be an average wheel in my book). I think I'd probably describe them as a better version of the spitfire classic formula.

[TheCrimsonShroud]

Sounds like its probably the same as the OJ/Creature formula then. That's a plus. I don't skate mine all that often because they're 56mm and black/red swirl is pretty ugly on a lot of setups, but every time I do it reminds me how much I like them. They're the unquestioned october/november acorn crushing champions too.

Santa Cruz owns Slimeball and Creature iirc. Would make sense. I got 53mm white ones to avoid setup clash and wheel bite. I have some mini logo A cut 2s in 58mm coming tomorrow. Got high ventures to accommodate my girth though.

[j....soy.....]

I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

[RichardBarkley]

I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

Amazing

[Sloppy Krooks]

I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

The lowering of duros in skate wheels is a great indicator for the decline of US infrastructure.

I predict that in 10 years we will be hitting up longboarders for their old 78as.

[Mbrimson88]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but I just wanted to put this out there for those who are NFG supporters, too.

I'd like to see these guys thrive and crowdfunding where you actually get product in return is different from a gofundme where you just hand people money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg#/

I do wonder why it takes significantly longer for them to manufacture their popular 95a formulation. Secret sauce?

The more posts, hopefully the more awareness and more interest.

From the look of it, things have been flat out and they just don't have the time or the setup to handle two different formulas at the same time, hence only doing their standard hard wheel as much as they can and needing crowdfunding to get things happening, as well as getting a feel for how much interest there is for a 95 formula wheel as well.

I would imagine that they would sell out of everything they make easily enough, but if they made way too few or way too many of the softer wheel, there would be issues either way.

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About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.

[TheCrimsonShroud]

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I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

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The lowering of duros in skate wheels is a great indicator for the decline of US infrastructure.

I predict that in 10 years we will be hitting up longboarders for their old 78as.

What’s fucked up is this is almost feasible in Small Town America. Mine is fantastic. Topped a few big lists of best small towns to live in. Our main roads are legit 70% crust though. I dropped to 97a and I can comfortable skate the sidewalks now at least. On asphalt though my feet go numb from the rumbling.

[j....soy.....]

Small town USA?  How about San Fran? 

Re Powell: I emailed Powell at least 5 years ago about ditch tech and George actually sent me out wheels to try, they were too soft, I think it was the rough rider formula cut into a regular shape.  After I gave feedback, he sent me the 81b park formulas. 

[bombsaway86]

About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.

I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit

[jay_nev]

@Buttfart Rapedick i sold @Sundaynuggets my 54mm VEE 95a NFG wheels and he's been sliding on them a bunch, he says. Maybe he can chime in some more on that - and compared to 97a I think he's rode too.

Did find TOO MUCH of a benefit with the 95a over 97a from my limited usage and small selection of spots/pavement.

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About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.

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I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

[TheCrimsonShroud]

Small town USA?  How about San Fran? 

Re Powell: I emailed Powell at least 5 years ago about ditch tech and George actually sent me out wheels to try, they were too soft, I think it was the rough rider formula cut into a regular shape.  After I gave feedback, he sent me the 81b park formulas.

That’s rad. To answer your question, I imagine if my podunk little Burgh can’t keep up, San Fran is but fucked. Maybe if they stopped chasing homeless people and started teaching them to pave it’d all be swell.

[GardenSkater77]

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I don't know if this has already been posted, but I just wanted to put this out there for those who are NFG supporters, too.

I'd like to see these guys thrive and crowdfunding where you actually get product in return is different from a gofundme where you just hand people money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg#/

I do wonder why it takes significantly longer for them to manufacture their popular 95a formulation. Secret sauce?

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The more posts, hopefully the more awareness and more interest.

From the look of it, things have been flat out and they just don't have the time or the setup to handle two different formulas at the same time, hence only doing their standard hard wheel as much as they can and needing crowdfunding to get things happening, as well as getting a feel for how much interest there is for a 95 formula wheel as well.

I would imagine that they would sell out of everything they make easily enough, but if they made way too few or way too many of the softer wheel, there would be issues either way.

I work in the chemical industry and right now is the worst time to be cash strapped. Lead times are the longest I’ve ever seen and prices on raw material is way up along with transit cost. I feel for them but they have a lot of things working against them.

As for soft wheels that is all I ride now cause it’s easier on my joints and feet. I’ve been riding the following on my Dane 1:

58 mm key frames. Awesome wheel but slow. For a 87 duro you still feel somewhat connected to the ground and they power slide really well. Buy good bearings for this wheel and you will have fun. Doesn’t chip.

54 mm sml wheels Succulent Dreams 92 duro. @cliff this wheel is so much fun and it doesn’t feel much slower than my F4 99 duro. Slide is fine. Can’t slide on a ledge too far but power slides no problem. I have even run on a popsicle deck and barely noticed I was on a cruiser wheel. Also doesn’t chip.

My personal thought is that 97a is too similar to 99a.

I think 95a is the old school sweet spot. But I have not run that duro in 30 years. I may just get the sml 92a in 56 mm if they make it in white. That or OJ Nomads 95a if they make a 56-58 mm. Right now it looks like 54mm is the biggest.

Since I will probably only skate Dane 1s for the foreseeable future I believe 56-58 mm 92a-95a is the ideal wheel for me.

[Mbrimson88]

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About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.

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I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit

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https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

DTF were amazing wheels and I might even still have the set I used to commute to work around 2005, an easy ride for the few kms / miles from free parking near Paddo skatepark into the CBD and the skate shop job.

I recall they were soft enough to absorb all the bumps and could still slide over bitumen / asphalt easily, but was so surprised when I was sliding on a wet patch as they slipped out so quickly, so whatever went into them was so very different from any other wheel I have ever skated.

Something like this, not the same graphic though

[Gary Gloverberg]

Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?

[FROTHY]

Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?

F4s cannot be blamed for unsatisfactory noseslide results.


Speedlabs, my friends, are good wheels. I have some 101As with Bronson G3s, and they are fast as hell on concrete.

[Painted Baby]

Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

[GardenSkater77]

Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

[Xen]

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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.

[Painted Baby]

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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.

Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

[GardenSkater77]

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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.

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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

Probably because their target market wouldn’t notice or care. Not sure you had slime balls in 88’ but I don’t think the current formula is the same. Maybe I am falling victim to ‘every thing was better when...’ but I feel like they are not as good now. RainSkates uses their old vendor so I think these are the closest wheels to old slime balls.

https://sk8supply.com/collections/wheels/products/rainskates-mini-tsunami-wheels-59mm-95a-green

[Painted Baby]

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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.

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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

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Probably because their target market wouldn’t notice or care. Not sure you had slime balls in 88’ but I don’t think the current formula is the same. Maybe I am falling victim to ‘every thing was better when...’ but I feel like they are not as good now. RainSkates uses their old vendor so I think these are the closest wheels to old slime balls.

https://sk8supply.com/collections/wheels/products/rainskates-mini-tsunami-wheels-59mm-95a-green

Teamriders or GTFO. They were pretty fucking hard for 97a and they lasted forever but probably because they only came in 61mm.

[sketchyrider]

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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.

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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

i imagine the nomads are a high-quality version of their urethane, based on price if nothing else...

[NyjahsDad]

So, I've tried all of the Ricta cruisers and my favorite out of the three are the red accented Ricta Cloud 86A cruisers. The light blue 78's were waay too bouncy, even though I liked how incredibly effortless it was to push around with. The black accented 92A ditchriders seemed a little too hard for me, being used to riding Spitfire 80HD's for two years. I really wish Spitfire made wheels with a durometer between 85 and 92, because I'm so used to their Classic shape. I'm more of a tech skater, so its really strange that I like soft wheels, but living in Florida where the streets are rough as fuck from the rain, if I skate normal wheels above 95 hardness it feels like I'm skating with rocks on my trucks and when I pop to do anything I slide all over the place. I also ride a relatively smaller board (8.1) with small Indy Mids, so that might be why I like to grip the pavement a little more. It doesn't effect my nose and tailslides enough for me to care. If anyone can point me in the direction of a rounder 53-54 mm wheel that is between 85 and 92, preferably made by Spitfire, I can finally stop obsessing over this part of my set up. I saw that Spitfire made a new Classic shaped wheel in 53mm that was a bit harder than 85 but I can't find them anywhere.

[TheCrimsonShroud]

Not Spits, but I just got some Mini Logo A Cuts in 90a 58mm and they’re fucking amazing. They might be a little wide for your liking though: they’re conical outside edges and classic inner edges. Patch is like 30-33mm depending on size.

[NyjahsDad]

I'd rather the outside be round cuz I flip my board around a lot, also looking for wheels that are 53-54 mm specifically. I'll take a look at Mini thanks.

[GardenSkater77]

I'd rather the outside be round cuz I flip my board around a lot, also looking for wheels that are 53-54 mm specifically. I'll take a look at Mini thanks.

I ride these and they are wide round classics

https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruiser-iris-54mm-92a

[NyjahsDad]

Don't mind a wider wheel as long as they're rounder, do they make 53mm?

[Cthunderw]

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Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?

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F4s cannot be blamed for unsatisfactory noseslide results.

Hahaha too true.

Sorry if you already had, but I thought it was a rule thumb to put a few miles on your new wheels or at least like an hour of skating before you start sliding them. The idea is that you can wear off some of the initial stickiness and help prevent flat spots. Disclaimer: Just something I heard as a kid and never saw a reason to do otherwise.