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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3720 on: March 31, 2021, 12:00:24 PM »
i have the conical fulls in 97a 56mm and have been very impressed. might ride them exclusively, much smoother in the streets than the 99s and my knees are thanking me

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3721 on: March 31, 2021, 12:15:26 PM »
i have the conical fulls in 97a 56mm and have been very impressed. might ride them exclusively, much smoother in the streets than the 99s and my knees are thanking me
yeah 97a are the truth. riding 54mm classics but the 56 conical full are on my list

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3722 on: March 31, 2021, 04:54:38 PM »
so reporting back on the Darkroom wheels.

comparing to what i've ridden recently, it feels similar to the OJ Nora wheels i have, which are 101a. The only difference is on rougher surfaces it rolls really slow, but on smooth surface its feels the same, albeit its 99a.

The biggest difference is the size, and at 50mm i had no wheel bite last night...i ride thunders with forged baseplate, and this size is great for that.

What i would love is a 50mm conical from Spitfire...but i now have some many wheels that i cant justify buying another set.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3723 on: April 01, 2021, 09:58:39 AM »
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

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« Reply #3724 on: April 01, 2021, 10:49:14 AM »
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

I think classics are more forgiving for everything except rough ground.

So, if you're going fast and ollieing over stuff, conicals are great. But if you're doing anything else, classics make everything a little easier. They're lighter, and the rounded edges are more forgiving for flip tricks, grinds, and ledge tricks. But they don't roll quite as well over rough stuff.

That's my experience at least.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3725 on: April 01, 2021, 10:51:54 AM »
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

I also would like to hear some opinions on that. Im kind of getting over conicals lately.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3726 on: April 01, 2021, 12:11:58 PM »
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

The straight edges of conicals lock in your grinds harder, but in doing so they slow your grinds down a bit compared to classics. Also, classics make it easier to get out of grinds. The wider surface area of a conical will give you more grip, but the increased grip and square edge makes them harder to slide than classics. The radials sit in between conicals and classics, and provide a good balance imo. I ride 99a 56-58mm classics and radials.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3727 on: April 01, 2021, 05:10:10 PM »
Was rotating my wheels today and just had to stop and admire them. 53mm F4 Classics worn down to probably about 49mm, the perfect wheel. That is all.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3728 on: April 01, 2021, 07:39:11 PM »
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Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.
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The straight edges of conicals lock in your grinds harder, but in doing so they slow your grinds down a bit compared to classics. Also, classics make it easier to get out of grinds. The wider surface area of a conical will give you more grip, but the increased grip and square edge makes them harder to slide than classics. The radials sit in between conicals and classics, and provide a good balance imo. I ride 99a 56-58mm classics and radials.

Yes this is well put.

Classic round shapes (which I usually ride) with the rounder edge are much easier to get on and off coping, or edges on street too, even when they are worn down some and still have a slightly rounded edge.  Some have said it is much easier to crooked grind on classics too.  At least one guy who is usually on conical shaped wheels didn't like the classic shape and said he felt like he was slipping out of grinds as there was not a sharp edge to hold him on the coping.

Conical shaped wheels (that I have on a few boards but not my preferred shape) feel a lot more grippy on coping and don't get on and off as easily, which some people prefer, but always made a couple of people I know say they felt much better locking into rails and edges than classics.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3729 on: April 05, 2021, 09:35:11 PM »
Been doing a lot of slappydayz due to an ankle tweak and conicals or a side cut work best for me, in larger sizes and the wider the truck, the better (so I don't 'catch' whatever the fuck wheel shape I'm on). Groooves > wheels shape. I'm now on 159s.

Classics /V1s on rounded/worn curbs, while easier to get on (especially for crookslaps) were way easier to slip out on going fast...if I was off just a little bit I was out..more so on classics; I guess you pick your poison here = easy in and keep the lock or tougher in, easier lock?

Tablets or V2s, I'd get my front truck on and end up willying the slap unless I paid special attention to getting the back truck on (something I don't think one should need to do). Really bizarre but I really had to force it.

Conicals, got me on and locked in without having to worry about speed or form +bonus on square double sided curbs (sitting on top) I'd get a nice lock if I had truck wiggle room (vs a smaller truck) if i wasn't locked on (new trucks/no grooves).

Taller wheels helped a ton due to having more overhang to grab the curb vs smaller wheels (49/50mm spit classics at speed I slipped out like crazy on anything but full truck contact) 50/50 no issues; been skating with a dude who has perfect curb huggin slappy trucks...his wheels never touch...the trucks are bigger than the curbs with grooves to lock him in...he just sits there grinding for days.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3730 on: April 05, 2021, 10:16:11 PM »
finally got some good slappies down and I'm riding the PFC 53s. Haven't ridden a wheel this small in a long time and am having fun. The wheels feel good and grippy but slide better than the Bones STFs I'd been riding prior. I hope they last and stay nice for a while
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3731 on: April 05, 2021, 11:35:19 PM »
Anyone want to do a product swap with US and Japan? PFC arenít shipping here at the moment and I really want a pair...

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3732 on: April 09, 2021, 02:03:49 PM »
iíve been on dial tone wheels for a month now and the bearings are popping out of some of them, has this happened to any of you? itís been happening since i first started riding them but they still havenít worn in
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3733 on: April 11, 2021, 03:39:51 PM »
https://www.chemsfb.com/product/street-rat-skateboard-wheels-53mm

Creative urethane 83b/103a for those who like the really hard stuff. Looks like a similar or same "fat classic" mold as the PFC. The guy sells mostly fingerboards but when he gets skate stuff made its usually really good (and he uses clutch O shape for his decks so that's an automatic like from me).

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3734 on: April 11, 2021, 03:45:22 PM »
I just switched back from some 53mm F4 101a Conical Fulls back to 54mm Jart 103a Classics, and the difference is night and day.

Reverts in particular seem a lot less... consistent? It's hard to pin down exactly what's different, but the thinner contact patch makes reverts feel a lot less reliable than on the conical fulls, despite the harder urethane. (Could just be that F4's have spoiled me.)

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3735 on: April 12, 2021, 04:49:01 PM »
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasnít there a big wheels thread? Canít find it...


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3736 on: April 12, 2021, 05:22:57 PM »
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3737 on: April 12, 2021, 06:32:46 PM »
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasnít there a big wheels thread? Canít find it...

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You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3738 on: April 13, 2021, 09:01:10 AM »
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasnít there a big wheels thread? Canít find it...

i too am curious about wheels like these. I have 56 bones wide's that are decent on sidewalk, but 99a still seems a little hard. basically same dims as spitfire conical full.

not to shill too hard but i have some 57 mil dogtown 80's street 97a that never touched pavement, too wide for what i wanted, if you're interested.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3739 on: April 15, 2021, 10:29:41 AM »
ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3740 on: April 15, 2021, 10:34:23 AM »
ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
youll love em. where did you order from?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3741 on: April 15, 2021, 10:58:02 AM »
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ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
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youll love em. where did you order from?
Sounds great! I ordered at skatewarehouse. They are not available in Germany as far as I know and are still a bit cheaper incl. Intl shipping within 5 working days. Hopefully this will work out.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3742 on: April 19, 2021, 01:16:44 AM »
god damn reading this shits makes me wanna pull the trigger on some 55mm 97a classics so bad

gotta wear out the SML AG formulas first though. Real nice wheel btw

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3743 on: April 19, 2021, 01:51:54 PM »
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ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
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youll love em. where did you order from?
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Sounds great! I ordered at skatewarehouse. They are not available in Germany as far as I know and are still a bit cheaper incl. Intl shipping within 5 working days. Hopefully this will work out.

US to Germany from last Thursday til today is really fast and so are the F4 full conicals 97a 56mm. I took of my now approximately 49mm Bones ex 53mm 99a (don't know the exact shape anymore). The shape is massive compared to my last wheels but damn it, they roll smooth and hold the speed so goood. (With almost 10 year old bones swiss ceramics). They add 100g to my board which I have to bring up but it is just more wheel... 50g vs 75g. Expected them to be kinda softer but on most of the grounds I took them they just rolled and rolled. No Problem with Tailslides/boardslides on beton ledges, goodockin to grinds, Good revert/powerslide control. Overall I am a happy man. Thanks for the recommendations

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3744 on: April 21, 2021, 03:53:34 PM »
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
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are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft

Could really tell as I have them set up with 159s on an 8.625" the whole set-up is hefty.

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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide

Not that I wasn't 100% sure of it before, but I happened to bring two setups with me today, one with the older 'bones white' 99a STF EZ streets the other with 99a STF (the natural/dirty bird color) - the thanes are totally different; they clearly changed it up [for the worse] when they went to the natural color.

On medium-rough terrain the 99a EZs felt like a 101 in comparison to the 99a stfs, which felt soft and mushy (something I noted the other day riding my V2s after the 97a spits).

In fact, the F4 97a feel and sound harder than the current natural colored 99a STFs and feel and sound closer to the older 99a EZ streets. I'm officially back of Bones 99a once these EZs are toast...but the 97a F4s are just too good!

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3745 on: April 26, 2021, 07:06:23 PM »
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasnít there a big wheels thread? Canít find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
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are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft
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Could really tell as I have them set up with 159s on an 8.625" the whole set-up is hefty.

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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99ís are more slippery than my F4 101ís
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs Iíve had are pretty grippy and donít slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha Iím glad Iím not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99ís as far as ease and consistency of slide
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Not that I wasn't 100% sure of it before, but I happened to bring two setups with me today, one with the older 'bones white' 99a STF EZ streets the other with 99a STF (the natural/dirty bird color) - the thanes are totally different; they clearly changed it up [for the worse] when they went to the natural color.

On medium-rough terrain the 99a EZs felt like a 101 in comparison to the 99a stfs, which felt soft and mushy (something I noted the other day riding my V2s after the 97a spits).

In fact, the F4 97a feel and sound harder than the current natural colored 99a STFs and feel and sound closer to the older 99a EZ streets. I'm officially back of Bones 99a once these EZs are toast...but the 97a F4s are just too good!

Interesting! I hadnít thought to compare the F4 97ís with the original easy streets, but I can see the similarities for sure. The easy streets are slower, imo, but the feel is similar

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3746 on: April 26, 2021, 07:23:50 PM »
Comparisons between F4, 97a conical fulls and NFGmfg 95a Vee shape.

The F4ís feel a little harder, are slightly faster and slide more consistently and cleaner. I do, however, like the NFG a lot because the slightly softer feel is nice and they still slide nice. Somehow, I like the slide and feel on these better than their standard formula. Plus I have a weird fascination with NFG and Loophole wheels. One interesting thing is that these seem to slide better than the standard formula Vee shapes I have. I donít know if the harder formula catches on the ground more during power slides (because the edges are so flat and the softer formula might allow the sharp edges more give? Speculation.), or if itís some friction thing I donít understand or some other mysterious property of urethane. Whatever it is, I feel more comfortable power sliding the 95ís at speed.

Anyway, Iíd like to try the NFG 95ís in the classic shape next time they come around so I can compare them with the F4 97ís in the classic shape I have. I actually like the f4 classic shape in 97 better than the conical full so I imagine Iíll like the NFGís a lot too.

Hope that all makes sense. Long day today haha

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3747 on: April 26, 2021, 08:11:54 PM »
I back your loophole fetishó my 56mm V-cuts are hands down the best wheel Iíve ever ridden!!!! But yes, there is consistency issues because my 52mmm teardrops donít slide nearly as good as the 56s despite them being the same durometer (I even asked them if they have different durometers for their regular wheels).

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3748 on: April 27, 2021, 12:00:39 AM »
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?

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« Reply #3749 on: April 27, 2021, 04:40:11 AM »
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?

I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


EDIT:

I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ∑
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!
« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 04:51:45 AM by Mbrimson88 »
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