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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3720 on: April 26, 2021, 07:06:23 PM »
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
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are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft
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Could really tell as I have them set up with 159s on an 8.625" the whole set-up is hefty.

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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide
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Not that I wasn't 100% sure of it before, but I happened to bring two setups with me today, one with the older 'bones white' 99a STF EZ streets the other with 99a STF (the natural/dirty bird color) - the thanes are totally different; they clearly changed it up [for the worse] when they went to the natural color.

On medium-rough terrain the 99a EZs felt like a 101 in comparison to the 99a stfs, which felt soft and mushy (something I noted the other day riding my V2s after the 97a spits).

In fact, the F4 97a feel and sound harder than the current natural colored 99a STFs and feel and sound closer to the older 99a EZ streets. I'm officially back of Bones 99a once these EZs are toast...but the 97a F4s are just too good!

Interesting! I hadn’t thought to compare the F4 97’s with the original easy streets, but I can see the similarities for sure. The easy streets are slower, imo, but the feel is similar

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3721 on: April 26, 2021, 07:23:50 PM »
Comparisons between F4, 97a conical fulls and NFGmfg 95a Vee shape.

The F4’s feel a little harder, are slightly faster and slide more consistently and cleaner. I do, however, like the NFG a lot because the slightly softer feel is nice and they still slide nice. Somehow, I like the slide and feel on these better than their standard formula. Plus I have a weird fascination with NFG and Loophole wheels. One interesting thing is that these seem to slide better than the standard formula Vee shapes I have. I don’t know if the harder formula catches on the ground more during power slides (because the edges are so flat and the softer formula might allow the sharp edges more give? Speculation.), or if it’s some friction thing I don’t understand or some other mysterious property of urethane. Whatever it is, I feel more comfortable power sliding the 95’s at speed.

Anyway, I’d like to try the NFG 95’s in the classic shape next time they come around so I can compare them with the F4 97’s in the classic shape I have. I actually like the f4 classic shape in 97 better than the conical full so I imagine I’ll like the NFG’s a lot too.

Hope that all makes sense. Long day today haha

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3722 on: April 26, 2021, 08:11:54 PM »
I back your loophole fetish— my 56mm V-cuts are hands down the best wheel I’ve ever ridden!!!! But yes, there is consistency issues because my 52mmm teardrops don’t slide nearly as good as the 56s despite them being the same durometer (I even asked them if they have different durometers for their regular wheels).

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3723 on: April 27, 2021, 12:00:39 AM »
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3724 on: April 27, 2021, 04:40:11 AM »
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?

I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


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I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3725 on: April 27, 2021, 05:26:52 AM »
I back your loophole fetish— my 56mm V-cuts are hands down the best wheel I’ve ever ridden!!!! But yes, there is consistency issues because my 52mmm teardrops don’t slide nearly as good as the 56s despite them being the same durometer (I even asked them if they have different durometers for their regular wheels).

Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one with the weird fascination

Agreed on the consistency issues, slide wise. I have two sets of squares and they both slide a little different, especially when they were new. One set was ice slick at first then broke in to be standard non F4 wheel grippiness (like OJ or most of the other non F4, non stf I’ve tried. Will slide with some force and good technique, but don’t just break out easy). The other started off fairly grippy. The Vee shapes I have in standard formula don’t slide that well at all. They all feel similar and good when rolling though. Interesting!

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3726 on: April 27, 2021, 10:15:48 PM »
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i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?
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I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


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I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!

thx for the reply brimson, much appreciated.

yeah i guess i'll try my luck maybe whenever they drop next hopefully, maybe a pal in the us can help me out then or something. at least getting loopholes is not a problem over here, really want to try them after i'm through with my current set.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3727 on: April 27, 2021, 10:41:28 PM »
I can get mad loopholes here if anyone wants to do a pals trade for some PFCs

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3728 on: May 02, 2021, 06:54:27 AM »
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)


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« Reply #3729 on: May 02, 2021, 01:02:06 PM »
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
I think they’re the same urethane. Ive had a couple sets of smls over the years, they’re alright. I’ve been feeling these satori 101s. I think they might be the same as the others too.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3730 on: May 02, 2021, 08:26:59 PM »
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I think they’re the same urethane. Ive had a couple sets of smls over the years, they’re alright. I’ve been feeling these satori 101s. I think they might be the same as the others too.


Yes I believe it has been said they are all from Creative Urethanes, who produce wheels for many of the smaller brands, including Dialtone, Satori, Sml (who also use another wheel manufacturer for their very bright white compound)

http://creativeurethanes.com/

https://www.creativewheelsusa.com/

Pretty cool to see the videos of production from the second link.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3731 on: May 02, 2021, 09:43:11 PM »
loopholes over sml for me but sml certainly get the job done and are a must if you love white wheels!

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3732 on: May 02, 2021, 10:24:51 PM »
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)

I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3733 on: May 02, 2021, 10:32:56 PM »
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.

Oh cool! That is the wheel and shape I’m ridding at the moment too! Amazing wheels but I just wanna retire them and try something different.
Ended up getting Sml’s, and it seems that they are the AG formula. Read it feels more like spitfires and the OG formula more like Bones... let’s see how they feel in a few days.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3734 on: May 02, 2021, 10:41:09 PM »
Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\

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« Reply #3735 on: May 02, 2021, 10:53:52 PM »
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.
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Oh cool! That is the wheel and shape I’m ridding at the moment too! Amazing wheels but I just wanna retire them and try something different.
Ended up getting Sml’s, and it seems that they are the AG formula. Read it feels more like spitfires and the OG formula more like Bones... let’s see how they feel in a few days.

Mine also took a while to break in, but I was only skating twice a week at the time for 1-2 hours a session. I was riding the OG formula too so i'm not sure how the AG formula feels in comparison. I'd definitely pick more up in the future. I switched to Bones V1's only because I wanted something a bit lighter and nimble after recovering from my quad strain and losing some strength.

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« Reply #3736 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:41 PM »
Apparently Arizona Iced Tea makes wheels these days. Anyone have any production info?


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« Reply #3737 on: May 03, 2021, 06:19:31 PM »
Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\

I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.

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« Reply #3738 on: May 03, 2021, 08:00:28 PM »
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Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\
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I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.



Only the 99a STF come in the 'dirty bird' brown (which they now just label as 99a STF). Everything else that is the 'bones white' is still 103a/83b.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/street-tech-formula-tm?soc_wheel_hardness%5B0%5D=99a&soc_wheel_hardness%5B1%5D=103a

I recently posted about this, the OG EZ streets that were 99a and 'bones' white feel so much better than the spongy 99a STF 'naturals' they're selling now (I have set of each and the 99a Ez streets in white feel like 97a spits)...I wouldn't put it past them that they are using the 100 thane for these as they feel THAT different.

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After riding 97a spit f4 and 99a F4 and 99a current natural bones, I went back to a very old set of the white 99a bones ez streets and prefer them over the current 99a bones, so much so that I will only skate the 83b bones STFs.
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« Reply #3739 on: May 03, 2021, 08:20:04 PM »

I guess these might not look white, but they don't seem off white / natural or dirty bird coloured in real life.

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« Reply #3740 on: May 03, 2021, 09:20:47 PM »
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Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\
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I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.


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Only the 99a STF come in the 'dirty bird' brown (which they now just label as 99a STF). Everything else that is the 'bones white' is still 103a/83b.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/street-tech-formula-tm?soc_wheel_hardness%5B0%5D=99a&soc_wheel_hardness%5B1%5D=103a

I recently posted about this, the OG EZ streets that were 99a and 'bones' white feel so much better than the spongy 99a STF 'naturals' they're selling now (I have set of each and the 99a Ez streets in white feel like 97a spits)...I wouldn't put it past them that they are using the 100 thane for these as they feel THAT different.

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After riding 97a spit f4 and 99a F4 and 99a current natural bones, I went back to a very old set of the white 99a bones ez streets and prefer them over the current 99a bones, so much so that I will only skate the 83b bones STFs.

Didn't get a chance to ride the original Easy Streets but the newer 99a definitely felt mushy, I would rank it below a F4 99a in terms of hardness.
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« Reply #3741 on: May 04, 2021, 07:57:39 AM »
weighing on on the OG white easy streets vs natural 99 stfs, i'd agree that the white ones felt better.

the white ones felt hard and fast but really absorbed the rough ground, had that bones plasticky feel but in a good way. these naturals just don't have the same shock absorption on rough streets. idk if id go so far to say they feel mushy, but they just feel unremarkable.

i will say the OG whites wore down fast, and broke down in a weird way, i recall seeing "strings" of urethane coming off on my set. that's the only negative i can think of vs the natural ones.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3742 on: May 04, 2021, 09:29:48 AM »
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i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?
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I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


EDIT:

I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!

I'm currently riding the nfg 95a's (56mm, v-shape) and enjoy them quite a bit. Mostly skating curbs and cruising the neighborhood, but my aging knees appreciate the reduced hardness. Nice and grippy with decent enough slide. Very stoked to see the new loophole video that just premiered too.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3743 on: May 04, 2021, 09:42:24 AM »

I guess these might not look white, but they don't seem off white / natural or dirty bird coloured in real life.



Old stock maybe? Googling the fatties brings up the same white looking wheels, anything else looks brown, even the bones V6 section is all browntown.

It's too bad, good wheel and I liked them over the 99a Spit F4. My guess is the marketing took over...they went from EZ streets to Dirty Birds (to match up with F4 coloring) then just defaulted back to 99a STFs but now brown.

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« Reply #3744 on: May 04, 2021, 12:11:38 PM »


Yeah this color is what I need. 99A V5. I have zero initiative to buy brown Bones wheels. It's even in the name ::) I hope they see this and get their stuff together. This Dirty Birds stuff is not going to cut it. If it comes down to it I'll get the wheels in 103A, but at that point OJ Hardlines are looking a little bit more solid as they grip more.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3745 on: May 04, 2021, 01:38:48 PM »
I miss teenage runaway wheels, that is all.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3746 on: May 04, 2021, 03:29:49 PM »
Idk why some of yall want it to look like Biebel is smiling underneath your set ups. Even before the brand new potato color wheel trend, I couldn't wait for my new wheels to get dirty when I was growing up.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3747 on: May 04, 2021, 03:38:06 PM »
i don't dislike white wheels, it's just with bones they used to turn into this disgusting neon piss yellow. that actually made me buy a pink set of bones once just because i was fed up with them looking like some glow in the dark type wheels after a few weeks.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3748 on: May 04, 2021, 06:48:37 PM »

From skating a lot on a certain ramp painted red from a long time ago now, it didn't matter what colour (white) the wheels were they would always end up this weird orangy colour from the ramp.

That is more my Spitfires than another guy who had Bones wheels, but I have seen other brands do this too, depending on formula, eg usually the more milky translucent coloured wheels would absorb the terrain colour more so than the bright plastic looking white wheels, that never seemed to change colour.

I have Bones STF wheels that are still new in package, from maybe ten or more years ago that are still whiter than anything that is coming out now, including those 99s and other ones that I bought some of, which are new current stock.  The SPF wheels from the same time also still new in pack are more yellowed than new natural F4 Spitfires, so it always made me wonder what goes into the formula of the wheel that would have such a lasting effect on the colour.

Older Spitfires in classic formula go almost dark brown over time, along with some that go pinkish brown and another set that have gone greenish brown, all still new in packaging and kept out of light, so go figure.  Anything under fluorescent shop counter lights or direct sunlight usually went off colour very quickly.

It might be fun to lay some out and take pics of them to compare, when I have a minute.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3749 on: May 04, 2021, 07:12:41 PM »
NFG MFG has an Indiegogo crowdfunding thing going on. The link is on their Instagram.

You can choose from 95a and 52D (101a) wheels in Teardrop, Square and Vee shapes. They also offer hoodies, shirts, hats etc.

I’m glad to see those 95a’s as I missed out on them last time.