Wheels Thread

[PuffinMuffin]

Expand Quote

Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

[close]

I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.

I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.

[chinotto]

Maybe the quality of the pre-production samples is inconsistent. The 95a with no hub and the ones with a hub feel completely different to slide. I even messaged Kam to make sure it was the same formula, he said it was the same one. I'm from Miami and we have a fair share of crusty ground here, I'm trying to find a wheel that I will enjoy riding on any surface.... also we all have personal preferences, my ideal wheel would be a hard-feeling wheel that goes over cracks with ease and keeps its speed on crusty ground absorbing a little bit of the vibrations, and slides as well as f4 or better. I don't care for it to be super smooth. I like ricta cause it does most of this this but it doesn't keep the speed as well as bones 95a no hub on the crusty ground and doesn't slide as well (although it slides just fine). Bones 95a no hub is good on the street but feels too soft (for me) at the park (which I ride the most), but it doesn't mean it's bad, it works quite well. I think everyone needs to try these to make their own opinion.

[PuffinMuffin]

Maybe the quality of the pre-production samples is inconsistent. The 95a with no hub and the ones with a hub feel completely different to slide. I even messaged Kam to make sure it was the same formula, he said it was the same one. I'm from Miami and we have a fair share of crusty ground here, I'm trying to find a wheel that I will enjoy riding on any surface.... also we all have personal preferences, my ideal wheel would be a hard-feeling wheel that goes over cracks with ease and keeps its speed on crusty ground absorbing a little bit of the vibrations, and slides as well as f4 or better. I don't care for it to be super smooth. I like ricta cause it does most of this this but it doesn't keep the speed as well as bones 95a no hub on the crusty ground and doesn't slide as well (although it slides just fine). Bones 95a no hub is good on the street but feels too soft (for me) at the park (which I ride the most), but it doesn't mean it's bad, it works quite well. I think everyone needs to try these to make their own opinion.

That’s something I haven’t considered. I didn’t mean to come off argumentative, but rereading my previous post, I kinda give that vibe. Apologies.

[FuzzGNU]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

[close]

I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.

[close]

I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.

It's because this formula relies on vibration for it's slides. The hard hub is somehow interfering with how the formula is supposed to to vibrate.

I'm not going to pretend I know the exact details... But it's clear as day that the hubs are interfering with the slide (especially initiation) on the harder durometers.

My understanding of physics involving vibrations is only limited to music. The different durometers are going to be vibrating at different frequencies (the harder wheels are more high pitched when they slide for example). The hub also has it's own physics properties and tendency to vibrate or not.

I could see somehow the way the hubs work (I know they are "bonded" to the wheel in some way) is that the hub is somehow preventing or cancelling out that vibration.

For example, how "active sound cancelling" headphones work is they use a microphone to play frequencies in your ears that are equal and opposite to the sounds around you: eliminating those frequencies.

The hub could also work something like a guitar capo and sort of restrict the vibrations from properly happening.

I could see that the hard hub sort of "digs" into the soft eurethane in a way that counteracts your power slide initiation attempts. It seems the biggest problem with the hubs is the slide initiation... So this last one could be a major issue.

I'm not going to pretend I know, but physics has so many variables, it's not outlandish that it might affect things in a negative way for our specific skateboarding purposes.

[TwisT]

New gold wheels are pretty sick. Also looks like Ryan gallant and Marcus McBride are involved

[thanksgiving]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

[close]

I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.

[close]

I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.

hubs give the urethane more structure, it’s like a skeleton for the wheel.

[minilogoflow]

I got an order of the new Bones and I'm in love with the 56mm 93a V6 without the hub. These things don't make sense to me, they roll over crappy ground better and faster than the 58mm 97a CF Spits I had before yet powerslide like my buddy's 103 STFs. Unlike most in this thread my local park is one of those glass smooth California parks (I'm in the Central Valley so amazing skatepark but shitty heat destroyed streets) and on the first session for the first 15-20 mins they felt a little slippery but broke in great. After a beer run midway through the sesh and wearing off some of that new wheel slickness, these things gripped amazing but break into the best slide I've ever felt (easy to initiate and extremely controllable). I do a lot of slappy's and ledge skating and had no issue with grinds or slides and actually found that they slide better than most traditional hard wheels. The last thing that really struck me was that my flatground just felt overall better somehow but I'll chalk that up to going from 58mm CF Spits to a smaller lighter wheel. Overall the 56mm V6 93s are my dream wheel and I'm excited to pick up a couple production sets when they come out.

*Little side note, I asked specifically for bigger wheels and got 2 free sets of hubbed prototypes, 56mm 90a and 56mm 93a. Real quick on those:

56mm 90a Hubbed-Smooth and fast cruiser wheels, ate bad ground like it was nothing but you have to put a lot into them to slide. If you like key frames, these are a faster+easier to slide equivalent.

56mm 93a Hubbed- I've only had 1 session on these but they feel very similar to the non hubbed version except because of the shape and weight they're not as fun for an everyday wheel, however they roll over crust even better than the V6 shape. Will be throwing these on a big shaped board as a fun secondary slappy/hill bombing set up.

[Xen]

Expand Quote

I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

[close]

I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.

Please don't take this as a dig.

You don't like the 97a (every post that mentions them you make call them out, and that's fine if they don't work for you), however, they might be the BEST wheel for a large minority based on market mindshare...i.e., hard wheels good, super soft wheels bad. They have an uphill battle with the 93a/95a especially with it being a new formula using a numerical scale people are USED to; I hardly skate 99s, it has to be real crusty for me to jump down to them, 101/103s 99.9999% of the time, hence why *I* am eyeing the 97a.

They ditched the HUB based on tester feedback. Perhaps they'll ditch one of the duros(?) or cut one/two from the 'Bones branding' (90a/93a and slap them on the powell side); they picked the odd duck duros for a reason: They are 'close enough' to what people expect them to be based on duro number (and perhaps they skate like they should, I don't know). Still, that many duros so close will be confusing, especially the 93/95...how different could 2 duro be (average person shopping for wheels mind you)? the average end user will never know they are very different (based on what you've written) or different enough to bother. If I wasn't a slapper, I'd go 95 over a 93.

Their biggest hurdal? Convincing people 93a is a good choice. Based on everything we know, 90a 'street' wheels suck ballz, so a 93a would also because it's so close numerically based on current scales in use....not sure what you can do...you can use Soft Medium and Hard like the do with bushings.

[rocklobster]

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[PuffinMuffin]

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[Murge]

When I emailed him it was I think cored only. But things could have changed. I’d love to get my hands on some 95a v6

[j....soy.....]

It sounds dumb but what’s the noise like oh those wheels?  When you tap them is it dead sounding?  When you slide do they screech?

[minilogoflow]

It sounds dumb but what’s the noise like oh those wheels?  When you tap them is it dead sounding?  When you slide do they screech?

The 93a have a little give to them in hand but they bark loud when sliding. I've noticed that when rolling there isn't much noise but they don't feel like cruiser wheels at all.

[in flux]

Interested in a lock 93a no hub. but I'll prob stick with 99 F4 tablets

[tzhangdox]

Went and skated some 52 90a Bones with the hubs. Usually I skate 99a f4s.

They’re definitely a soft cruiser wheel. The simplest way I’d describe it is a slightly harder keyframe that slides much much better. Haven’t had keyframes in a while but it felt kinda similar. They slide muchhhhh better though, in my book keyframes barely slide at all.

Skated one of my usual concrete ledge + curb spots, ground is a mix of semi smooth but grippy, chalky concrete and some weird rough concrete that powerslides well, then bombed an asphalt hill. They slide just fine on ledges, could hold nose/tail and even blunt slides on my usual ledge no problem. I imagine it might grip a bit more on metal coping though as softer wheels are more sensitive to gripping on that than on concrete ledges in my experience but I’m very impressed with how well they slide on this concrete ledge despite how soft it is. Also really easy to initiate power slides bombing hills and the slide feels nice and controlled despite being super quiet. I do think it gripped noticeably more than 99a f4s on crooked grinds etc and also pitch you harder if you wheelbite when landing.

They definitely have the slightly gummy, bouncy feeling and sound of a soft wheel though. So popping and landing does not feel anything like a hard wheel. While you definitely could skate these instead of a hard street wheel if you wanted to since they slide unlike almost every other cruiser wheel, unless the ground you’re skating is seriously fucked, I don’t see why you would because they still have the soft wheel feel that would throw most people off a bit when doing tricks. Though to be fair I don't skate anything rougher than slightly shitty asphalt or bricks, nothing that a 97a f4 couldn't handle with ease.

I definitely couldn't see myself adopting these on any main 'trick' setup despite skating rough ish street spots a fair amount. Basically the decrease in performance from rolling over shitty ground on say 99a f4s is not as significant as the decrease in performance from skating on these because they just feel really unusual to me. Thats definitely partially due to familiarity and conditioning but still...

Hard to judge speed, on really rough ground they’re obviously a lot smoother and hold speed better than really hard wheels but on smooth ish ground they’re probably not as good. I also ended up getting a piece of metal stuck in the wheel bombing a hill and so I guess they lasted a grand total of one session long so not sure about the durability. Willing to say it was just bad luck though



That aside, I think these would be a great cruiser wheel if you got them in a 56mm or so. Basically a much much much more skateable, keyframe style, not super super soft, cruiser wheel. Or if you want a separate setup for really crusty spots. Don’t really have need for it right now but I could definitely see myself getting these as cruiser wheels in the future in a bigger size.

Just set up the 52m 93as with hubs. Won’t be able to skate them properly for a few days, but pushed down the street and back. They’re definitely harder than the 90s and slide louder, but also much softer and quieter than even 97 f4s. Definitely what I imagine a true cruiser/street wheel hybrid would be. Whats weird is it felt more difficult to initiate a slide on these than the 90s. Took a bit more force than the cruisery wheel. I am very confused. Maybe its the hubs? But both my 90 and 93as have hubs. I hope that this doesn’t translate to issues when I next skate but I guess I’ll find out sometime this coming week.

edit:
Another thing these could be really good for is if you're a filmer that doesn't want to carry around two boards. If your main focus is on filming and you want a quieter setup but still don't want to miss out on doing tricks and skating at the spots.

[LebowskisRug]

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

[PuffinMuffin]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[close]

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

[pointandclick]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[close]

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

[close]

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

how are you buying non production sets?

[LebowskisRug]

Got 2 solid hours on these so far:

1. I was spost to receive the V1, but honestly don't think that's what I got. My wheel looks like a Radial Slim. Pretty sweet shape honestly.
2. The 52mm 93A are potato yellow, different color than the 54's. One side is shiny.
3. Bearing seat with the hubs was really tight.
4. They are smoother on asphalt than 99A F4 and power slide the same but with no bark. I maybe have to initiate the slide harder. No issue on reverting tricks or anything.
5. They have that kinda dead cruiser wheel sound when you set your board down.
6. They power slid normally on rougher concrete I will skate a smooth park tomorrow. They were noticeably better over the worst shit in my neighborhood. I don't have much time on the 97A Spits because they slid worse at my normal spot so I didn't skate them very long.

Other than that I do not think I am picky about wheels, however, I would prefer more of a classic shape with a bigger sidewall radius.

[Sloppy Krooks]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[close]

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

[close]

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

[close]

how are you buying non production sets?

It’s not that far back in the thread. There is contact information for Kam, who is selling off the prototypes for cheap. I ordered two sets myself

[manysnakes]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[close]

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

[close]

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

Yeah, I ordered two and got five. I gave away three of the sets to homies. I think they probably had a shitton of these wheels around and were eager to get rid of them.

[Xen]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

[close]

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do. 

[close]

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

[close]

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

[close]

how are you buying non production sets?

[close]

It’s not that far back in the thread. There is contact information for Kam, who is selling off the prototypes for cheap. I ordered two sets myself

Seriously, not even a full page back:

Expand Quote

So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?

[close]

technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.

[close]

Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.

[close]

Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets

[close]

[tzhangdox]

Got 2 solid hours on these so far:

1. I was spost to receive the V1, but honestly don't think that's what I got. My wheel looks like a Radial Slim. Pretty sweet shape honestly.
2. The 52mm 93A are potato yellow, different color than the 54's. One side is shiny.
3. Bearing seat with the hubs was really tight.
4. They are smoother on asphalt than 99A F4 and power slide the same but with no bark. I maybe have to initiate the slide harder. No issue on reverting tricks or anything.
5. They have that kinda dead cruiser wheel sound when you set your board down.
6. They power slid normally on rougher concrete I will skate a smooth park tomorrow. They were noticeably better over the worst shit in my neighborhood. I don't have much time on the 97A Spits because they slid worse at my normal spot so I didn't skate them very long.

Other than that I do not think I am picky about wheels, however, I would prefer more of a classic shape with a bigger sidewall radius.

Also got about 2 hours on the same 52mm 93as, potato yellow, one side shiny one side matte, different color to the 54s I got. Core is white.

Yesterday I mentioned that first impression was that its more difficult to break into a slide than the 90a. That went away after I wore through the shiny layer of the contact patch.

Skated about half a mile in the from 16th mission in SF to this schoolyard. The ride was wayyyyy nicer getting to the spot than 99a f4s. These do still feel like a quiet soft cruiser wheel after all, though noticeably less so than the 90as. Feels a lot softer and smoother than f4 97as which to me feel very much like a hard f4 99a, just a tad more forgiving.

Spot had black top asphalt which the wheels handled and slid on fine. Skated a perfect metal coped ledge and it was fine. Haven't had enough time on them yet, but based on this session I'd say they definitely don't slide, revert and respond quite as well as 99a f4s, although probably nothing that would hold me back significantly if I really wanted to take the time to get used to it.

Maybe objectively you can get them to slide just as much but they have the dead sound and gummy feel of a cruiser wheel, and the slide is dead quiet which definitely throws me off a bit. Can't skate quite as well without the tactile feedback. I don't revert any of my tricks but I imagine if you do, they definitely would feel a bit weird but you could probably get used to it. Also they definitely pitch you a lot harder than a hard wheel if you wheelbite.

Definitely haven't tested them enough, but so far I don't really see these as a replacement for formula fours. You absolutely will lose out on the ground feel (great thing for cruising or really rough ground), bark/screech and some slide. They kinda seem like a different category of wheel entirely.

If I skated street and rougher spots more, I would possibly consider adopting these, whereas the 90a was too cruisery for me to even consider that. But if you predominantly skate smooth spots then these definitely aint it.

What I would like to see is a wheel that still feels like a hard wheel, maybe something like feels and sounds like a 97a f4 or even a tad softer than that, but slides as good or better than the 99a f4 and isn't dead quiet on the slides. Maybe the 95a or 97a would be what I'm after?

So my experience is quite different to some of yours, where the consensus seems to be that they feel like a 99a f4 that rides a better, and not cruisery at all. Definitely less so than the 90as, but these still feel like a soft wheel that you could skate very well if you wanted to, and not a hard wheel that handles rough ground like a soft wheel. I can't imagine the hub is making that much of a difference either.

Here's a b2b clip of my friend and me (he did the fakie nose on 99a f4s, I did the sketchy nollie 180 sw 5-0 on the 93a with hubs).
His wheels are clearly much louder than mine on the rollaway, and also the sound of his landing is more crisp and high pitched, whereas mine sounds a lot more gummy and dead like I did in on a cruiser wheel (because I kinda did). The difference is much more apparent in real life, but even here you can get a slight idea.

[Sloppy Krooks]

While some people are missing the sounds of harder wheels, I’m wondering if there are benefits to quieter ones, like being able to session an area longer before being found out and kicked out. Especially if the wheel performance itself is not an issue, just the ambiance (sound) we associate with performance wheels.

It might open up some crusty spots otherwise too rough to handle on regular wheels.

Im getting excited to try some of these after reading the reviews. I have 97a Spits for the rougher parks here in Japan (and the really slick indoor wooden park), and Bones SPF for everything else.

[tzhangdox]

While some people are missing the sounds of harder wheels, I’m wondering if there are benefits to quieter ones, like being able to session an area longer before being found out and kicked out. Especially if the wheel performance itself is not an issue, just the ambiance (sound) we associate with performance wheels.

It might open up some crusty spots otherwise too rough to handle on regular wheels.

Im getting excited to try some of these after reading the reviews. I have 97a Spits for the rougher parks here in Japan (and the really slick indoor wooden park), and Bones SPF for everything else.

It definitely would open up some crusty spots that wouldn't be feasible on regular wheels, and having quieter wheels can be very beneficial in many cases

I wouldn't necessarily say that the wheel performance isn't an issue. The lack of tactile and audio feedback can definitely fuck with you, its not just purely a satisfaction thing but its throwing off my skating and performance a little, at least on ground that is perfectly fine to skate on hard wheels where you expect tricks, little skrrts and adjustments to feel, and also sound, a certain type of way.

Part of this might be due to years of conditioning, but still, I definitely feel like these wheels are fucking with my head, and thus my skating a bit. And I'm pretty open to trying new things. All my friends on the session (none of them are slap gear thread level nerds) tried the wheels out and were like no way, they slide ok but I couldn't skate something this soft feeling day to day.

Maybe it will go away with more time and I won't be able to go back to harder wheels, but for now the jury is still out.

[GT]

93 back cores whiter in color.
Out the driveway (pebble tech) takes it like smooth concrete. Extra fast.

95 yellowish ones feel more bouncy for some reason I was sure it'll  be the other way around.
Got them today and day finished so dark outside I'll use them for couple of weeks to really understand them. Over all I like the 93 and feel like they will stay on the bigger board for shitty spots.

[LebowskisRug]

I can say that at a smooth park the 93A just don't cut it. They're noticeably slower and slide worse on metal coping. They do slide and revert for sure, but just aren't there otherwise.

[Musicaldeath107]

I can say that at a smooth park the 93A just don't cut it. They're noticeably slower and slide worse on metal coping. They do slide and revert for sure, but just aren't there otherwise.

What wheels are you usually using in the park?  I rode my 93A at a smooth park (for east coast at least) yesterday and didn't notice they were slower.  Honestly they may have been faster than my NFGs 52D that I usually use.  I believe you, just curious what your usual wheel is.

I did think they felt a little soft/dead on the surface though.  Thinking the 95A is gonna be my goldilocks wheel in the end.

[LebowskisRug]

My go to wheel are 99a F4 Classic Fulls, which have a smaller contact patch and are about the same diameter. The park is pretty smooth. Honestly I could live with it, but I'd love to try the 95 and/or 97. These are really good on anything rougher than smooth cement so worst case I get a spare set of bearings and just swap wheels since I honestly don't notice a big difference between shapes.

Oh and Kam confirmed he sent me V4's not V1

[j....soy.....]

Your wheels are your speakers…..they can make your pop, your slide all feel like trash which is why it’s natural to ride as hard as tolerable.  I namely see all this new technology servicing older skaters who are guys used to riding 97’s in 1989, beginners, and the best wheel for your cruiser board.