Wheels Thread

[AlumarX]

I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

The loophole 52 100as on the other hand, well I won't be buying any more loophole wheels. I ate shit almost immediately after swapping to them from wheelbite and hated everything they changed about my setup. Plus the slide bark wasn't as pleasing as the old Loopholes.

[Texas_Tone]

I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

The loophole 52 100as on the other hand, well I won't be buying any more loophole wheels. I ate shit almost immediately after swapping to them from wheelbite and hated everything they changed about my setup. Plus the slide bark wasn't as pleasing as the old Loopholes.

Glad I didn’t try that new formula, the old ones made by the wizard were some of the best wheels I skated imo, plagued with QC and wrong sizes but I didn’t care they slide the best and absorbed the shitty ground here in texas

[drinny]

Spitfire dragging their heels on putting out 93 F4 Conical Fulls.... c'mon guys.

new Powell Nano-rats now looking very viable if looking for something like a sharper-edged street wheel in a softer-slidey formula :||


(If anyone pipes up yeah I've tried the x97's... can't see the point of them, rather skate the original Dragon formula or F4 for a hard wheel. I like the thought of a re-formulated F4 97, but I don't hate them as they already are.... but itching to try the 93 as it's been so well recieved).

[iw0]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

The loophole 52 100as on the other hand, well I won't be buying any more loophole wheels. I ate shit almost immediately after swapping to them from wheelbite and hated everything they changed about my setup. Plus the slide bark wasn't as pleasing as the old Loopholes.

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Glad I didn’t try that new formula, the old ones made by the wizard were some of the best wheels I skated imo, plagued with QC and wrong sizes but I didn’t care they slide the best and absorbed the shitty ground here in texas

yeah that sucks to hear, but i kind of assumed that's how it would end up once NFG stopped pouring their wheels. bummer

[Xen]

I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

[Jackismydogsname]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

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I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

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The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

Did this switch happen in 2019? I noticed a slight change but I switched to wider ones so thought it was just that.

Looks like the thin bright white is back!
https://www.skateone.com/bones-wheels-stf-skateboard-wheels-salmon-dinner-54mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk-white

[Xen]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

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I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

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The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

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Did this switch happen in 2019? I noticed a slight change but I switched to wider ones so thought it was just that.

Looks like the thin bright white is back!
https://www.skateone.com/bones-wheels-stf-skateboard-wheels-salmon-dinner-54mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk-white

Not sure when it happened but it for sure did. That photo isn't what they'll look like tho. Just as dirty off-white as usual. The last  sets of STFs I've ridden were off-white, not bright white.

Nice to see some V2/V3s hitting, will snag some.

THIS is what they used to be:

[Xen]

Has anyone ever seen OG classics in 101a (even if it was a pro wheel)?

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

I've never seen them available anywhere (local or online).

(as I wrote this I swear I've asked this before )

[CarcassToss]

I saw some 101 OG Classic in 53 around a year ago when I was visiting Denver. I forget which shop had them, but I almost bought them and noticed the packaging and they did not have 99 so I got something else. This particular shop had a shit ton of 101 and very few shapes in 99, which I thought was a bit weird. Maybe the high density of really smooth skateparks in the area is the reason?

[Jackismydogsname]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

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I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

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The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

[close]

Did this switch happen in 2019? I noticed a slight change but I switched to wider ones so thought it was just that.

Looks like the thin bright white is back!
https://www.skateone.com/bones-wheels-stf-skateboard-wheels-salmon-dinner-54mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk-white

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Not sure when it happened but it for sure did. That photo isn't what they'll look like tho. Just as dirty off-white as usual. The last  sets of STFs I've ridden were off-white, not bright white.

Nice to see some V2/V3s hitting, will snag some.

THIS is what they used to be:

scroll down to the similar items, you see the 99a dirty off white side by side. We won't know until they are in hand but I I trust them when Kam told me are making a batch of original 103 formula and happy to see them back on the site.

[Xen]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

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I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

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The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

[close]

Did this switch happen in 2019? I noticed a slight change but I switched to wider ones so thought it was just that.

Looks like the thin bright white is back!
https://www.skateone.com/bones-wheels-stf-skateboard-wheels-salmon-dinner-54mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk-white

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Not sure when it happened but it for sure did. That photo isn't what they'll look like tho. Just as dirty off-white as usual. The last  sets of STFs I've ridden were off-white, not bright white.

Nice to see some V2/V3s hitting, will snag some.

THIS is what they used to be:

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scroll down to the similar items, you see the 99a dirty off white side by side. We won't know until they are in hand but I I trust them when Kam told me are making a batch of original 103 formula and happy to see them back on the site.

I'm happy to eat my words and I WANT to be wrong, I really do; I'm one of the few (if the only vocal) STF rider here, but in the wake of X-formula, using the term 'original STF' is just to say we're making STFs (not x-form); no way in hell they'd ever admit to changing the STF formula (which they did).

They're going to be off white.

You are also not looking at the current STFs on their own, YES they are brighter than the dirty 99s, but the 103s are NOT white, not now or what they used to be. I know this because I actually ride/buy them regularly (just last month in fact).

If they brought back the OLD, HARD, bone ass WHITE STFs, it'd be a miracle, especially given how successful the softer spit, by comparison (101/99a/93), and dragons/x-formula onions are.

[Mbrimson88]

Has anyone ever seen OG classics in 101a (even if it was a pro wheel)?

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

I've never seen them available anywhere (local or online).

(as I wrote this I swear I've asked this before )

I can't say I have ever seen anything other than the normal 99s in both original formula and Formula Four in OG Classics, but lots in Classics, which a lot of people mix up and get confused about the shapes.

OG Classic = squared off shape

Classic = original round shape


The old Spitfire wheel guide had it with all the current shapes at that time in 99 and 101 - Tablets, Lock Ins, Classic, Radial, Conical and Conical Full.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


The newer one as you showed didn't have the 101 option on there before as I had screen saved the chart when I first saw it, so maybe they will be releasing some in the future, or they added it by mistake.

I guess someone could ask DLX directly and see if there is a definitive answer.

[JimmyFive]

Spitfire dragging their heels on putting out 93 F4 Conical Fulls.... c'mon guys.

new Powell Nano-rats now looking very viable if looking for something like a sharper-edged street wheel in a softer-slidey formula :||


(If anyone pipes up yeah I've tried the x97's... can't see the point of them, rather skate the original Dragon formula or F4 for a hard wheel. I like the thought of a re-formulated F4 97, but I don't hate them as they already are.... but itching to try the 93 as it's been so well recieved).

If you weren't sold on the need for X97's over Dragons I'd advise you to try the X99 formula. They are like the wheel you never knew you needed! They skate as well as 99a F4's in the park but have the vibration absorption of the Dragon formula over crust. They are a near perfect wheel IMO. I'm guessing the new 97a F4 will feel similarly.

[Xen]

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Has anyone ever seen OG classics in 101a (even if it was a pro wheel)?

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

I've never seen them available anywhere (local or online).

(as I wrote this I swear I've asked this before )

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I can't say I have ever seen anything other than the normal 99s in both original formula and Formula Four in OG Classics, but lots in Classics, which a lot of people mix up and get confused about the shapes.

OG Classic = squared off shape

Classic = original round shape


The old Spitfire wheel guide had it with all the current shapes at that time in 99 and 101 - Tablets, Lock Ins, Classic, Radial, Conical and Conical Full.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


The newer one as you showed didn't have the 101 option on there before as I had screen saved the chart when I first saw it, so maybe they will be releasing some in the future, or they added it by mistake.

I guess someone could ask DLX directly and see if there is a definitive answer.

Weird, it's there so hopefully we'll see them.
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

[Texas_Tone]

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I also tried 103a STF for the first time and they are wicked, I love em coming from x99 they make X99 feel mushy, without going too far the other way of being uncomfortably hard (honestly they don't even feel hard at all).

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I finally tried some Bones wheels (103a, V3 Slims). They’re fast, but feel softer than my 99a Spitfires. I thought the smaller contact patch would = instant death when I hit a pebble, but the speed just destroyed them lol.

Overall great wheels, just gotta get used to the softer, plastic-like sound.

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The 'new' 103a (and the 99a) are nowhere near as hard as what people remember STFs being; BONES changed everything up when thy tried to chase spit by making their wheels brown (dirty birds, then naturals). Current 103 STFs are way more offwhite and are much more forgiving than a proper 101, let alone a 103 - closer to a 99a (but not the bones 99).  Shame really for those that like the old STF feel.

V3 is always the wheel I default too eventually. Thin (more hanger room), light, great wheel shape.

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Did this switch happen in 2019? I noticed a slight change but I switched to wider ones so thought it was just that.

Looks like the thin bright white is back!
https://www.skateone.com/bones-wheels-stf-skateboard-wheels-salmon-dinner-54mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk-white

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Not sure when it happened but it for sure did. That photo isn't what they'll look like tho. Just as dirty off-white as usual. The last  sets of STFs I've ridden were off-white, not bright white.

Nice to see some V2/V3s hitting, will snag some.

THIS is what they used to be:

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scroll down to the similar items, you see the 99a dirty off white side by side. We won't know until they are in hand but I I trust them when Kam told me are making a batch of original 103 formula and happy to see them back on the site.

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I'm happy to eat my words and I WANT to be wrong, I really do; I'm one of the few (if the only vocal) STF rider here, but in the wake of X-formula, using the term 'original STF' is just to say we're making STFs (not x-form); no way in hell they'd ever admit to changing the STF formula (which they did).

They're going to be off white.

You are also not looking at the current STFs on their own, YES they are brighter than the dirty 99s, but the 103s are NOT white, not now or what they used to be. I know this because I actually ride/buy them regularly (just last month in fact).

If they brought back the OLD, HARD, bone ass WHITE STFs, it'd be a miracle, especially given how successful the softer spit, by comparison (101/99a/93), and dragons/x-formula onions are.

Lmaoooo I’m a closet bones rider, definitely guilty of flipping graphics, in reality though I highly doubt anyone is wondering what wheels my almost 40 year old ass is using to backtail the last 6 inches of the pfledge, but in my mind im killing it

[Skrotum]

I just want fat boserio OJ in a 56 extra fat

[BhaktaDon]

After staring at wheel charts for a long time I realized Spitfire has the largest election of wide patch wheels compared to Bones.  Most Bones wheels riding patch are 20mm or under.  With Spitfire, you have a lot of options that get up higher than that theoretically making their 99a a comparatively smoother ride.  If Bones made wide patched X formula wheels that would be interesting to try.

[Mbrimson88]

After staring at wheel charts for a long time I realized Spitfire has the largest election of wide patch wheels compared to Bones.  Most Bones wheels riding patch are 20mm or under.  With Spitfire, you have a lot of options that get up higher than that theoretically making their 99a a comparatively smoother ride.  If Bones made wide patched X formula wheels that would be interesting to try.

I guess it is down to the size of the wheel you are after, as Skate One - Bones, Powell - does have a number of wider wheels, but not all in smaller sizes.

The V6 is probably the most well rounded shape that has 20.5 mm riding surface in the 56 mm wheel, which do come in any X formula option, but going over their full wheels list, there are quite a few that are bigger and wider.


https://bones.com/why/shapes/

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels

https://powell-peralta.com/skateboard-wheels


One that a few people recently have been talking about is the Omega wheel, link below, which is huge at 60 x 40 mm


https://bones.com/bones-wheels-x-formula-skateboard-wheels-omega-60x40mm-99a-4pk





* There is a setup here with them from a few pages back, or just seach OMEGA in this thread for more posts:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg4212559#msg4212559

[BhaktaDon]

The Omega is a step in the right direction.  The problem is Bones doesn't make any smaller diameter wheels with a wider road patch.  Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

[drinny]

Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

YES

never liked thin wheels, but also not keen on bloat...

This is why I want Conical Full in 93a

[pinkeye fieri]

even the omega only has about 23mm riding surface at 60mm. bones does not even pretend to dip their toes into the wide contact patch street wheel game. i just bought the omegas hoping that they would wear down to a wider contact patch than the f4 93a radial at 58mm. the spitfire 93a radials burned 1mm per week in diameter, and there was a very small window of perfection where the contact patch was wide enough before they became too small in diameter the following week. anyone tried the 58mm 97a snot wide boys? best shape on the market imo but i am hesitant to try the formula.

[drinny]

If you weren't sold on the need for X97's over Dragons I'd advise you to try the X99 formula. They are like the wheel you never knew you needed! They skate as well as 99a F4's in the park but have the vibration absorption of the Dragon formula over crust. They are a near perfect wheel IMO. I'm guessing the new 97a F4 will feel similarly.

I just like the "feel" of the 93 better, it's what I want of a softer duro... straight line speeds yeah close enough, but me personally, lot more confident to push way harder in wood/masonite parks where the x97's are barely any grippier than a 99 or 101

the old 97 F4 def lacks a bit for speed indoors, but all the reviews sound like the 93 IS the spit I'm looking for

(unless concrete park, then 101's all the way... I guess I don't like "middle ground" compromises.

[JimmyFive]

The Omega is a step in the right direction.  The problem is Bones doesn't make any smaller diameter wheels with a wider road patch.  Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

Exactly. Bones should be aware of this... I don't know how many kids I see riding conical or radial full wheels in smaller diameters!

[JimmyFive]

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If you weren't sold on the need for X97's over Dragons I'd advise you to try the X99 formula. They are like the wheel you never knew you needed! They skate as well as 99a F4's in the park but have the vibration absorption of the Dragon formula over crust. They are a near perfect wheel IMO. I'm guessing the new 97a F4 will feel similarly.

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I just like the "feel" of the 93 better, it's what I want of a softer duro... straight line speeds yeah close enough, but me personally, lot more confident to push way harder in wood/masonite parks where the x97's are barely any grippier than a 99 or 101

the old 97 F4 def lacks a bit for speed indoors, but all the reviews sound like the 93 IS the spit I'm looking for

(unless concrete park, then 101's all the way... I guess I don't like "middle ground" compromises.

Fair enough good luck with that wheel! Funnily, I have found the X99 to have more grip than the 93A Dragons. Indoors I use X97 but I think I'd be ok with X99. These new formulas have interesting characteristics.

[Mbrimson88]

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If you weren't sold on the need for X97's over Dragons I'd advise you to try the X99 formula. They are like the wheel you never knew you needed! They skate as well as 99a F4's in the park but have the vibration absorption of the Dragon formula over crust. They are a near perfect wheel IMO. I'm guessing the new 97a F4 will feel similarly.

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I just like the "feel" of the 93 better, it's what I want of a softer duro... straight line speeds yeah close enough, but me personally, lot more confident to push way harder in wood/masonite parks where the x97's are barely any grippier than a 99 or 101

the old 97 F4 def lacks a bit for speed indoors, but all the reviews sound like the 93 IS the spit I'm looking for

(unless concrete park, then 101's all the way... I guess I don't like "middle ground" compromises.

I can see how some options of wheels, mainly Dragons and Soft Sliders more so than the mid 90s / slightly harder duro wheels, can be good / better on some terrain over others.

Maybe the experiences are different, but for NOT slipping out Dragons were better on the wood surface of one mini ramp, but then things like smith grinds didn't really work as the wheels had too much drag, compared to the Soft Sliders which were a bit more likely to slip out but could hold smith grinds on the same ramp.

Maybe it is different on crust, as the Soft Sliders definitely held speed in a rough carpark I usually skate and worked well on almost every other surface I tried them on, but the wood surface mini ramp was a little slick for my liking in that one instance.


Overall Soft Sliders came up way better, but I still haven't put any real time on them, besides two sessions at different places, compared to only trying Dragons on other peoples boards when they brought them in.

Maybe it is because I know what the current Spitfire 97 duro wheels are like now, but I have them on a few boards and they work well for me, just to take the edge off and not slip out, especially the Radial Full wheels, on that same mini ramp.

I have Formula Four 99s as my usual go to for anything else, as well as some 101s on for my own wood ramp at home, but it is not at all slippery, so they work great on the ply painted surface.

[bigmike]

If there can only be one, right now, it’s X99 v1 shape for me. F499s exclusively for years, but I switched last spring and have skated Philly streets, indoor slippery, and freshly poured outdoor parks. Super versatile, handles the polished concrete better than an x97, but will outpace an f4 on rough ground any day. Go V5 shape if you want a smoother ride, V1 if you wanna be more technical and responsive. I think V1 shape x99 if you want to have only one wheel and skate everything, v5 x99s if you want to go a little smoother and are less worried about your slide/pinch (or if you’re mostly skating transition), and x97s if there is only crust in your future.

Disclaimer: haven’t tried the new 93 spits

[Texas_Tone]

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The Omega is a step in the right direction.  The problem is Bones doesn't make any smaller diameter wheels with a wider road patch.  Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

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Exactly. Bones should be aware of this... I don't know how many kids I see riding conical or radial full wheels in smaller diameters!

I think bones does a good job of picking out the correct sizes for their wheels, I don’t skate transition much but I like being able to 5-0 to fakie on 1/4s or whatever and I feel like the wider isn’t very good for that, I’ve skated one set of fulls and felt like I was a longboarder

[CarcassToss]

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The Omega is a step in the right direction.  The problem is Bones doesn't make any smaller diameter wheels with a wider road patch.  Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

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Exactly. Bones should be aware of this... I don't know how many kids I see riding conical or radial full wheels in smaller diameters!

A lot of time those are just extremely worn down Classics

[pinkeye fieri]

Bones Omega Review:
These wheels have been a disappointment. At 60mmx40mm/x99 I was hoping they would at least play ball on crust. They do not handle crust any better than an f4 99a or classic fomula 99a. The Omega slide is skittery, halting and inconsistent. They do not keep their speed on rough surfaces and feel plastic and jittery. Even at 60mm,  they are still outperformed by a 53mm 93a spit in terms of speed, smoothness and slide. I regret buying these, and I am frustrated that spitfire still has no full shape in the 93a formula, which is why felt compelled to try the omega in the first place.

[JimmyFive]

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The Omega is a step in the right direction.  The problem is Bones doesn't make any smaller diameter wheels with a wider road patch.  Conical fulls and radial fulls have huge riding patches even for smaller diameter.   This is why conical fulls are so popular.

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Exactly. Bones should be aware of this... I don't know how many kids I see riding conical or radial full wheels in smaller diameters!

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A lot of time those are just extremely worn down Classics

Some maybe but I can pick out the Conical fulls by the blocky profile and the typical graphic. Seems they're the most popular wheels in NZ.

Has anyone tried out the X99's in 58-60mm? Is the Omega just a 60mm V6 "widecut" or is it an original shape? I was hoping Bones would release a 58mm V6.