Wheels Thread

[roba]

they're decent, of course you're gonna feel a difference if you're used to the top formulas, but these and mini-logos are probably the best cheaper wheels. last a whole lot longer than normal spitfires. if you skated shit like pig wheels or some cheap ojs then they will be an upgrade. my first ever good wheels were 100s in the party pack variant (every wheel was a different neon color) and then i got some grosso spitfires that i flatspotted in a spectacular way, all the homies at the park called me ursus (it's a tractor manufacturer) because it was so loud. as a 14 year old i dm'd bones like a man with a photo of the flatspotted spitfires and the worn down bones 100s and said something like "fuck spitfire bones are the best wheels" and they never replied so i got some f4s and my life changed. i got given another set later on and they were still good, but my heart was already spitfire's so i switched back as soon as i could.

[boneless900]

The 93a Dragons aren’t Bones, they’re Powell.

Only bones x97\97a dragon formula really has crossover.

Anyone have 97a Nanocubics?
Are they coning? How much do they widen a truck, say compared to a Bones V6 shape?

Skated the original 52mm 97a nano cubes down to 48mm and there wasn't significant coning. In my opinion, they wore down fairly evenly. Also, since the bearings are asymmetrically set, it feels like you get about +.25" room on your truck.

I've been riding the spit 93a radials and, even though they feel great, they wore down about 1mm per week so I'm looking at some other options that might last me a little longer.

Just bought the (v4?) 97a 53mm nano rats so I'm sorta back in the nano cubic camp. I'll probably try the new 97 spits on a few months when they're more available

[pinkeye fieri]

the 56x39mm wide 93a nano rats are amazing. The shape is essentially a lock in full. The chonky spitfire style wall of urethane on each side of the bearing seat provides structural support for the 26mm riding surface, making them feel harder/sturdier/less squishy than other dragons, and the slide feels more like a soft slider vs. the skittery slide of the v6,v4, nano cubic or rat bones in 93a. Also the bearings are definitely not center set as powell claims, but they are close enough to center that they don't cone out, unlike rat bones or nano cubics.   

edit: you gotta be careful to know which shape you are getting when buying nano rats. Powell released like 4 different shapes at once, all under the name "nano rats".

[jimgrude]

The 93a Dragons aren’t Bones, they’re Powell.

Only bones x97\97a dragon formula really has crossover.

Anyone have 97a Nanocubics?
Are they coning? How much do they widen a truck, say compared to a Bones V6 shape?

I'm sure you know this, but X-formula and Dragons are the same formula, just different duro, both made by skateone.

Yeah, I skated the 97a Nanocubics for a while. I had no issues with coning, but didn't skate them that long. They put the contact patch out a bit wider, and obviously the hanger has more grind area. I really enjoyed that, as someone who wants to go wide, but can't due to tech skating. It's a nice compromise though. I'll go back them this winter.

[Mbrimson88]

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Looks like the 103 stfs are back on the site, with one graphic and size each

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7 formulas from Bones now?
SPF 84b
SPF 81b
STF 103a
STP 99a
X-Formula 99a
X-Formula 97a
Dragons 93a

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the 100s are still out there too

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Always curious about the 100a, don't want to blind buy and risk it tho.

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I’ve always heard they flat spot easily. It’s the bones version of regular spits

They are a different wheel for sure.

Funny thing is the Mini Logo wheels seem to be a better alternative to the 100s, different properties and all, but I would say Bones / Powell normal formulas first, then Mini Logo wheels, then Bones 100s in that order.

At least that is my own experience and seeing various wheels from people.

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the 56x39mm wide 93a nano rats are amazing. The shape is essentially a lock in full. The chonky spitfire style wall of urethane on each side of the bearing seat provides structural support for the 26mm riding surface, making them feel harder/sturdier/less squishy than other dragons, and the slide feels more like a soft slider vs. the skittery slide of the v6,v4, nano cubic or rat bones in 93a. Also the bearings are definitely not center set as powell claims, but they are close enough to center that they don't cone out, unlike rat bones or nano cubics.   

edit: you gotta be careful to know which shape you are getting when buying nano rats. Powell released like 4 different shapes at once, all under the name "nano rats".

According to their site (at least Powell) they dont use the V-shape naming (V1, V2 etc.) anymore?

[Xen]

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the 56x39mm wide 93a nano rats are amazing. The shape is essentially a lock in full. The chonky spitfire style wall of urethane on each side of the bearing seat provides structural support for the 26mm riding surface, making them feel harder/sturdier/less squishy than other dragons, and the slide feels more like a soft slider vs. the skittery slide of the v6,v4, nano cubic or rat bones in 93a. Also the bearings are definitely not center set as powell claims, but they are close enough to center that they don't cone out, unlike rat bones or nano cubics.   

edit: you gotta be careful to know which shape you are getting when buying nano rats. Powell released like 4 different shapes at once, all under the name "nano rats".

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According to their site (at least Powell) they dont use the V-shape naming (V1, V2 etc.) anymore?

Not sure Powell branded wheels ever did? STFs always used V and SPF were P5 (park V) and Powell PF (Park Formula, same as SPF) were RATBONE II.

[YeoWhattup]

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Looks like the 103 stfs are back on the site, with one graphic and size each

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7 formulas from Bones now?
SPF 84b
SPF 81b
STF 103a
STP 99a
X-Formula 99a
X-Formula 97a
Dragons 93a

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the 100s are still out there too

The 100s are slept on…

[Xen]

Anyone tried the new pig wheels that just came out supposed to be same formula as formula 4
Supposed to be softer as well

I’m on spits 93a and it’s a knee saver
But the pig combo shape looks sick

I skated the pig combos 99a for a few hours before I left them at the spot. You can search this thread where I post about them.

[Creachteach]

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I’m really pining for some black wheels, but I’d be foolish to buy anymore seeing as I already have plenty.

Seen mfs dyeing their wheels with RIT synthetic and their fixative.
Look like my best bet, but I can’t seem to find a source for them in Europe.

Anyone got intel?

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Darren Navarette used to dye his white Spitfire wheels: https://youtu.be/sBgl4oMMFnQ?t=103
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Yes, I know. I love Navs. Great style. Love his instagram posts, doing old some old school street stuff
 
But does anyone have a source for RIT Synthetic in Europe or know of a similar product that does the same thing?

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I'm in New Zealand and I use "Dyemore" IDye poly. Works really well. Go easy on the dye - it's strong stuff.

Hey, thanks a bunch dude 
Great find! This is actually available to me locally.

Did you heat it up and boil your wheels in an old pot, or did you just do an extended soak in a pickle jar?
Super exited, that I’ll be able to get all my wheels black.
Will definitely post about it.

[Xen]

Been bouncing back and forth between the new spit 97 55mm radials and 52mm stf V2s lockins...and yeah, it's easier to roll onto shit with the radials and lock in with the well, lockins...

So I shifted over to the 101a lockins I have and they do really work, I could lock crooks much longer than the radials...but I was missing that 97a formula...soo that Powell sale that was just happening (shirt and wheels out the door for $40):



Band angle but spit 53mm lockin on the left / 54mm V4 nano rat - they're essentially identical in shape, but with the V4 nano rat being a bit rounder and a hair wider (only at the top most sector/arc; lockin side is the same.


I swear the nano rat 97s feel harder than the OG 97 dragons I have (54mm V5) and have a brighter white look to them; they even seem less bouncy when doing a drop test and sound chirpier on slides and I did not experience the krook squeal with the nanos.

Powell could do better listing which shape they are, unless you know the diff between a V5 and V4, as they only show cad images of the shapes.

[yourbreakfsat]

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Not cool to abuse warranty for your own user error.

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How is normal use of wheels an user error? Or instead they should mention on the wheel package to "carefully break in before sliding" or some shit. 

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https://www.dlxsf.com/warranty/

"We stand behind our products 100%. Every DLX product is guaranteed against manufacturer defects. Our guarantee does not cover normal wear and tear, improper setup, poor maintenance or user error. In the rare case of a manufacturer defect, please fill out the required information below to contact our Warranty department. Our Warranty department will need additional photos of the defect to approve your replacement. Please do not throw away your product as we may need you to return it."

Obviously it's all CYA language and nowhere does it say they art flatspot resitant (which is why DLX is such a good company and handles it anyway, even when people abuse the system).

Late, but DLX should cover flatspots on new F4s. They will not cover the classic formula.

This is from when I submitted a warranty claim after I flatspotted a set of classic formulas in the first hour ("shouldve gotten f4s" yeah yeah I wanted to try out classics again just because)



Honestly with anything you think is a defect, just shoot your shot with the warranty claim. Worst thing that happens is they say no.

[bombsaway86]

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Not cool to abuse warranty for your own user error.

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How is normal use of wheels an user error? Or instead they should mention on the wheel package to "carefully break in before sliding" or some shit. 

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https://www.dlxsf.com/warranty/

"We stand behind our products 100%. Every DLX product is guaranteed against manufacturer defects. Our guarantee does not cover normal wear and tear, improper setup, poor maintenance or user error. In the rare case of a manufacturer defect, please fill out the required information below to contact our Warranty department. Our Warranty department will need additional photos of the defect to approve your replacement. Please do not throw away your product as we may need you to return it."

Obviously it's all CYA language and nowhere does it say they art flatspot resitant (which is why DLX is such a good company and handles it anyway, even when people abuse the system).

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Late, but DLX should cover flatspots on new F4s. They will not cover the classic formula.

This is from when I submitted a warranty claim after I flatspotted a set of classic formulas in the first hour ("shouldve gotten f4s" yeah yeah I wanted to try out classics again just because)



Honestly with anything you think is a defect, just shoot your shot with the warranty claim. Worst thing that happens is they say no.

I ended up just buying another set of the same wheels. Now I have 3 wheels on backup if I keep getting bad flat spots

[rikki]

Just dropping in to holla once again how the X99 is such an awesome indoor park wheel. Tried my F4 99's the other day at my dusty local, was hella slipping out especially on the plywood. The X99 grips better but doesn't have that gummy feel of some other softer wheels.

Having said that, I haven't tried the Spit 93's indoors yet, but somehow I don't expect them to trump the X99 in said conditions. Someone can prove me mistaken, of course.

[back smith]

Yea indoor park season is here. Would be interested in 93A Spitfire slipperyness also.

And the 95A OJ Nomads, any good on wood?

[bombsaway86]

Yea indoor park season is here. Would be interested in 93A Spitfire slipperyness also.

And the 95A OJ Nomads, any good on wood?

Yeah I had a set a few years ago that did great at the slippery indoor park. They also did great at stargate which is covered in several layers of spray paint which makes it very slippery.

I personally like dragons more for slippery stuff just because they’re faster and more responsive, but nomads have the advantage of not sticking when you’re grinding on metal. They’re both good wheels for their intended use.

[back smith]

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Yea indoor park season is here. Would be interested in 93A Spitfire slipperyness also.

And the 95A OJ Nomads, any good on wood?

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Yeah I had a set a few years ago that did great at the slippery indoor park. They also did great at stargate which is covered in several layers of spray paint which makes it very slippery.

I personally like dragons more for slippery stuff just because they’re faster and more responsive, but nomads have the advantage of not sticking when you’re grinding on metal. They’re both good wheels for their intended use.

Sweet! The Nomads are cheaper too.

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Just dropping in to holla once again how the X99 is such an awesome indoor park wheel. Tried my F4 99's the other day at my dusty local, was hella slipping out especially on the plywood. The X99 grips better but doesn't have that gummy feel of some other softer wheels.

Having said that, I haven't tried the Spit 93's indoors yet, but somehow I don't expect them to trump the X99 in said conditions. Someone can prove me mistaken, of course.

I need to try the X99 this winter. Dragons are good at indoor as well but for metal coping I think 99s drag less.

[big_kev_215]

Are Bones STF 99s worse than Spitfire F4 99s for sliding?  It’s raining today aka gear madness season.  I know nothing about Bones wheels… thank you

[big_kev_215]

Are Bones STF 99s worse than Spitfire F4 99s for sliding?  It’s raining today aka gear madness season.  I know nothing about Bones wheels… thank you

Nevermind - after wading through some of the more recent info in this thread it seems like there is very little positive feedback on the current STF 99s

[Creachteach]

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Are Bones STF 99s worse than Spitfire F4 99s for sliding?  It’s raining today aka gear madness season.  I know nothing about Bones wheels… thank you

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Nevermind - after wading through some of the more recent info in this thread it seems like there is very little positive feedback on the current STF 99s

I have some 54mm V6 99a STF. They’re definitely a skateboard wheel. They feel like a true 99a, if there is such a thing. (Spit F4 99a, feels way harder than everyone else’s 99.) They’re unremarkable in that they don’t have any magic properties, but everyone has forgotten that a few years back, no wheels had any.

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https://youtu.be/hopADHVluAQ?feature=shared

The 88 Dragons in action.

[JimmyFive]

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I’m really pining for some black wheels, but I’d be foolish to buy anymore seeing as I already have plenty.

Seen mfs dyeing their wheels with RIT synthetic and their fixative.
Look like my best bet, but I can’t seem to find a source for them in Europe.

Anyone got intel?

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Darren Navarette used to dye his white Spitfire wheels: https://youtu.be/sBgl4oMMFnQ?t=103
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Yes, I know. I love Navs. Great style. Love his instagram posts, doing old some old school street stuff
 
But does anyone have a source for RIT Synthetic in Europe or know of a similar product that does the same thing?

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I'm in New Zealand and I use "Dyemore" IDye poly. Works really well. Go easy on the dye - it's strong stuff.

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Hey, thanks a bunch dude 
Great find! This is actually available to me locally.

Did you heat it up and boil your wheels in an old pot, or did you just do an extended soak in a pickle jar?
Super exited, that I’ll be able to get all my wheels black.
Will definitely post about it.

Sorry late reply! I'm glad I could help!

I heated the pot to simmering - added the dye and colour brightener and just let them soak for 30-45 min! If you want black then that's a pretty straightforward dye job!

[KinkyRailsRailed4u]

https://youtu.be/hopADHVluAQ?feature=shared

The 88 Dragons in action.

I had a fractured knee and ankle, I had ordered some 88 Dragons to help with impact. I waited for a longgg time for Skate One to ship and they ended up giving me the sloppiest most messiest, mouth gagging, slumpy round things i haveth ever seen. My wrist began hurting and I was infact, NOT satisfied. They added a shmack ton of Bones Speed Cream lubricant and had it circular. All of my friends said they felt bad. I got a refund and they gave me the same thing. No slander, no beef, but please don’t be lazy when it comes to serving ur customers. But overall I love Skate One products it just wasn’t giving.

[TwisT]

When was the last time any of you ran wheels with the same graphic as your deck?

[Reese Bruno]

When was the last time any of you ran wheels with the same graphic as your deck?

My skateboard life was inspired by a hookups board with hookups wheels

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https://youtu.be/hopADHVluAQ?feature=shared

The 88 Dragons in action.

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I had a fractured knee and ankle, I had ordered some 88 Dragons to help with impact. I waited for a longgg time for Skate One to ship and they ended up giving me the sloppiest most messiest, mouth gagging, slumpy round things i haveth ever seen. My wrist began hurting and I was infact, NOT satisfied. They added a shmack ton of Bones Speed Cream lubricant and had it circular. All of my friends said they felt bad. I got a refund and they gave me the same thing. No slander, no beef, but please don’t be lazy when it comes to serving ur customers. But overall I love Skate One products it just wasn’t giving.

Sounds pretty believable. I really need to try these now if they make my wrists hurt as well.

[runespliffberg]

I’ve been riding OG classics and conical fulls for the last few years. Today I picked up some radial fulls from my local and my first impression is super positive. The selling point on conicals is that they “lock into grinds better”. I’m finding the opposite. The radials I’ve been cross locking and heelside locking perfect, not getting pitched when I’m not dead on, and wheelbite is more gentle as well. The round edge has certainly been helping me on rails and coping. Plus my flip tricks are easier. 100% over the square wheel trend because my skating is so much better on rounder wheels.

[Troubadour26]

has anyone skated the spitfire classic shape recently? I can’t imagine having that narrow of riding surface nowadays. I’ve been riding full sized wheels pretty consistently for at least a decade now.

What would the pros even be? Less stability but you’re trading for a greater responsiveness and less resistance?

[back smith]

has anyone skated the spitfire classic shape recently? I can’t imagine having that narrow of riding surface nowadays. I’ve been riding full sized wheels pretty consistently for at least a decade now.

What would the pros even be? Less stability but you’re trading for a greater responsiveness and less resistance?

Sure, both 99A and 101A. They are fine. The pros? Uh dunno. The difference isn't that big really. I do find they roll on to coping easier than a conical full for example, like @runespliffberg says about the radial fulls. Lighter weight too I guess.