DLX Shapes

[Mbrimson88]

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The thought of "different boards" coming out in the 8.38 size (or any size really) has got me thinking about buying a few more of these usual BBS 8.38 boards while I can.

This could double as a post in the madness thread too, but goodness knows, I don't need any more.


We shall see...


Keeping me entertained with the shape options talk here at least.

[Sedition]

...but not a Baker, which is truly a horrific look-down. The Baker 8.4 shape is the worst board to have to look at when you're skating it.

HARD facts.

[rikki]

I would love to ride the DLX 8.25 more if it actually was 8.25, not close to 8.38.

[JM]

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The thought of "different boards" coming out in the 8.38 size (or any size really) has got me thinking about buying a few more of these usual BBS 8.38 boards while I can.

This could double as a post in the madness thread too, but goodness knows, I don't need any more.


We shall see...


Keeping me entertained with the shape options talk here at least.

All this chatter about the boards being different concaves and whatnot from China made me pull the plug on an unnecessary extended Black Friday purchase.

It’s the great Covid US toilet paper rush all over again. 

*as for shape talk… how far back is the conversation about improper deck storage that warps the concave? Let’s really set the madness off.

[Sedition]

I would love to ride the DLX 8.25 more if it actually was 8.25, not close to 8.38.

I often see this claim made, and I will never understand it. I religiously ride the 8.25. I've measured every one I've had. They are all 8.25. None have been closer to 8.38. I just took this video of my current one. Dead-on 8.25.

https://imgur.com/a/ZrQjiJQ

[DarkPools]

I skated an 8.5 Heroin (all over eyeballs graphic) and it kinda looked like the pointy nose Baker that visually looks wrong to me, except it felt/looked slightly fuller when actually compared to Baker 8.5 that did have that classic pointy nose.

I did enjoy that Heroin. I love Baker, always have, but I haven't loved their shapes since 2008 once I started to find my taste in shapes (medium concave, slightly full nose, slightly tapered tail - Black Label/Polar/Primitive/The Killing Floor/etc.) That's because Baker's standard shapes seem to be that awkwardly pointy nose one

Do any DLX brands use that Baker mold from BBS or is that exclusive to Baker (and maybe Deathwish?) with that super tapered pointy nose?

[JM]

Just look at this anal suppository. It’s beautiful.

[LebowskisRug]

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I would love to ride the DLX 8.25 more if it actually was 8.25, not close to 8.38.

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I often see this claim made, and I will never understand it. I religiously ride the 8.25. I've measured every one I've had. They are all 8.25. None have been closer to 8.38. I just took this video of my current one. Dead-on 8.25.

https://imgur.com/a/ZrQjiJQ

I'll try to get a pic of the one in my garage later but it's dead on 8.3ish. All the ones I've measured have been.

[LebowskisRug]

I skated an 8.5 Heroin (all over eyeballs graphic) and it kinda looked like the pointy nose Baker that visually looks wrong to me, except it felt/looked slightly fuller when actually compared to Baker 8.5 that did have that classic pointy nose.

I did enjoy that Heroin. I love Baker, always have, but I haven't loved their shapes since 2008 once I started to find my taste in shapes (medium concave, slightly full nose, slightly tapered tail - Black Label/Polar/Primitive/The Killing Floor/etc.) That's because Baker's standard shapes seem to be that awkwardly pointy nose one

Do any DLX brands use that Baker mold from BBS or is that exclusive to Baker (and maybe Deathwish?) with that super tapered pointy nose?

Not DLX but all the Limo boards are very pointy. The closest DLX might be the 8.5 or 8.38 but neither are quite as dramatic.

[Mbrimson88]

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I would love to ride the DLX 8.25 more if it actually was 8.25, not close to 8.38.

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I often see this claim made, and I will never understand it. I religiously ride the 8.25. I've measured every one I've had. They are all 8.25. None have been closer to 8.38. I just took this video of my current one. Dead-on 8.25.

https://imgur.com/a/ZrQjiJQ

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I'll try to get a pic of the one in my garage later but it's dead on 8.3ish. All the ones I've measured have been.

Goodness this is NOT going to turn into a measuring comp, so come on guys, whose is bigger?!?!?


Really though, that looks like almost 1/16th more than 8 and a quarter from the video too, eg 8 and 5/16ths or even 9/32 which sounds ridiculous, but I am not that worried any which way.


With the mm / cm measurement, it comes out at a touch over 210 mm, even 211 which is a touch more than 8.25


8.25 = 20.955 cms

8.26772 = 21 cms

8.307087 = 21.1 cms

[rikki]

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I would love to ride the DLX 8.25 more if it actually was 8.25, not close to 8.38.

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I often see this claim made, and I will never understand it. I religiously ride the 8.25. I've measured every one I've had. They are all 8.25. None have been closer to 8.38. I just took this video of my current one. Dead-on 8.25.

https://imgur.com/a/ZrQjiJQ

You'd understand it if the deck you measured were close to 8.38, as many of mine have been. Glad that you've been lucky with the dims.

[Sedition]

Just look at this anal suppository. It’s beautiful.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Mbrimson88]

I skated an 8.5 Heroin (all over eyeballs graphic) and it kinda looked like the pointy nose Baker that visually looks wrong to me, except it felt/looked slightly fuller when actually compared to Baker 8.5 that did have that classic pointy nose.

I did enjoy that Heroin. I love Baker, always have, but I haven't loved their shapes since 2008 once I started to find my taste in shapes (medium concave, slightly full nose, slightly tapered tail - Black Label/Polar/Primitive/The Killing Floor/etc.) That's because Baker's standard shapes seem to be that awkwardly pointy nose one

Do any DLX brands use that Baker mold from BBS or is that exclusive to Baker (and maybe Deathwish?) with that super tapered pointy nose?

I could never say who used it first, but the 8.38 is the common shape through all those brands - Baker Boys dist, DLX, Kayo, etc with the same concaves too - had way too many of them, so some are more mellow and others are more steep, but they all seem like they are the same molds.

Other shapes all seem different though, but the 8.5 you talk about is a good one and common throughout BBS / Generator as well, well rounded and not pointy like the Baker 8.475 or 8.38 shape, but DLX 8.5 with 14.38 wb is a bit more pointy too, with a few people saying they didn't like it, although I had a lot of them a while back and they skated well.

I made the decision to stick with 14.5 wb boards though, so that BBS 8.5 along with the DLX 8.38 seem to be the two I usually go with.  The 8.5 for the more burly stuff and the 8.38 for the more nimble stuff.

Said that quite often before so sorry for going on about it over and over.

[JM]

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I made the decision to stick with 14.5 wb boards though, so that BBS 8.5 along with the DLX 8.38 seem to be the two I usually go with.  The 8.5 for the more burly stuff and the 8.38 for the more nimble stuff.

Said that quite often before so sorry for going on about it over and over.

Holy shit I haven’t seen or heard anyone use the term “burly” in two decades.

You just made my day. \m/

[Mbrimson88]

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I made the decision to stick with 14.5 wb boards though, so that BBS 8.5 along with the DLX 8.38 seem to be the two I usually go with.  The 8.5 for the more burly stuff and the 8.38 for the more nimble stuff.

Said that quite often before so sorry for going on about it over and over.

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Holy shit I haven’t seen or heard anyone use the term “burly” in two decades.

You just made my day. \m/

HAhahah yeah wow, sometimes I look back and think what was going on - up late and not enough sleep or whatever.

Any which way, the 8.5 size do give me a bit more than the 8.38 boards do in terms of length of tail and overall feel, even though there are minimal differences, so I guess the shape reference stands.

Meaning =  large and strong; heavily built.


What does Burly mean in slang?
(slang) Originating from surfer culture and/or Southern California. An expressive term to mean something is of large magnitude, either good or bad, and sometimes both.



* Also sorry for being a bit neurotic in this thread.  Getting weird about board sizes is not really something that bothers me, but I might have annoyed others with specifics of some sizes / shapes or whatever.

[JM]

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I made the decision to stick with 14.5 wb boards though, so that BBS 8.5 along with the DLX 8.38 seem to be the two I usually go with.  The 8.5 for the more burly stuff and the 8.38 for the more nimble stuff.

Said that quite often before so sorry for going on about it over and over.

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Holy shit I haven’t seen or heard anyone use the term “burly” in two decades.

You just made my day. \m/

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HAhahah yeah wow, sometimes I look back and think what was going on - up late and not enough sleep or whatever.

Any which way, the 8.5 size do give me a bit more than the 8.38 boards do in terms of length of tail and overall feel, even though there are minimal differences, so I guess the shape reference stands.

Meaning =  large and strong; heavily built.


What does Burly mean in slang?
(slang) Originating from surfer culture and/or Southern California. An expressive term to mean something is of large magnitude, either good or bad, and sometimes both.



* Also sorry for being a bit neurotic in this thread.  Getting weird about board sizes is not really something that bothers me, but I might have annoyed others with specifics of some sizes / shapes or whatever.

We would have arguments about pros.

“He’s burly”
“He’s tech”
“You can’t be burly AND tech… you have to choose”
“Pros that are burly are not tech, and vice versa”
“I’m more burly, and you’re more tech”

lol, kind of embarrassing but there you go growing up in a small town in the south. Very far from California.

[PeteP]

Just got the AH Joe Buffalo deck labelled as 8.5x31.8x14.25 (made in Mexico).
I can confirm the width is off, narrower than my previous dgk 8.38x32.25x14.5.
The length is spot on, the wheelbase is a hair shorter.
To my surprise both decks taper the same amount (width measured over the bolts closer to the tail) and kicks are the same length (I guess thats due to the shorter wb on the 8.5. I measured them from the bolt holes to the tip). Both decks have nice round kicks, not too pointy, although I remember somebody here stated that the 8.5 has a smaller and pointier tail.

Im pretty tall and my previous 4 decks were all 8.38x32.25x14.5 and that shape has treated me well. The only reason I got the shorter 8.5 this time is that all 8.38s available in my area have awful graphics and bottom/top plys colors. Hope that it won’t be too short for my liking. Enough of this nerdy stuff and madness… Maybe someone will find this rant helpful. Here are the measurements for both shapes:
8.38 x 32.25 x 14.5:
8.45 x 32.16 x 14.5

8.5 x 31.8 x 14.25:
8.38 x 31.8 x 14.2

[JM]

If I measure absolute edge to absolute edge, my 8.38 (both of them) are close to 8.5.
If I measure only the top ply where my feet are touching, they are a hair wider than 8-3/8” (8.375”)

So, 8.38 seems about right if you measure the stepping surface.

Is that how you all measure?

[moonordie]

Saw an 8.5 PP eagle made in Mexico. Wonder if it would be shitty since PP bit Mexico.....?

[LebowskisRug]

If I measure absolute edge to absolute edge, my 8.38 (both of them) are close to 8.5.
If I measure only the top ply where my feet are touching, they are a hair wider than 8-3/8” (8.375”)

So, 8.38 seems about right if you measure the stepping surface.

Edge to edge with a nice woodworking square is always 8.38 for that deck. I was at a shop last week and compared for shits and giggles and it is dead even with the standard 8.38 as well. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread somewhere (with pics), but I've had friends that have skated them almost exclusively for yeaaaars and their measurements agree.

[Mbrimson88]

Saw an 8.5 PP eagle made in Mexico. Wonder if it would be shitty since PP bit Mexico.....?

They are still BBS, but price point quality, so for someone who doesn't snap boards easily, it should hold up fine, but for someone who goes through boards, I would not really recommend it.

I had quite a few of them, still do actually, just to see what they were like and they hold up fine for me, but others haven't lasted a session for some people.

Just got the AH Joe Buffalo deck labelled as 8.5x31.8x14.25 (made in Mexico).
I can confirm the width is off, narrower than my previous dgk 8.38x32.25x14.5.
The length is spot on, the wheelbase is a hair shorter.
To my surprise both decks taper the same amount (width measured over the bolts closer to the tail) and kicks are the same length (I guess thats due to the shorter wb on the 8.5. I measured them from the bolt holes to the tip). Both decks have nice round kicks, not too pointy, although I remember somebody here stated that the 8.5 has a smaller and pointier tail.

Im pretty tall and my previous 4 decks were all 8.38x32.25x14.5 and that shape has treated me well. The only reason I got the shorter 8.5 this time is that all 8.38s available in my area have awful graphics and bottom/top plys colors. Hope that it won’t be too short for my liking. Enough of this nerdy stuff and madness… Maybe someone will find this rant helpful. Here are the measurements for both shapes:
8.38 x 32.25 x 14.5:
8.45 x 32.16 x 14.5

8.5 x 31.8 x 14.25:
8.38 x 31.8 x 14.2

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If I measure absolute edge to absolute edge, my 8.38 (both of them) are close to 8.5.
If I measure only the top ply where my feet are touching, they are a hair wider than 8-3/8” (8.375”)

So, 8.38 seems about right if you measure the stepping surface.

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Edge to edge with a nice woodworking square is always 8.38 for that deck. I was at a shop last week and compared for shits and giggles and it is dead even with the standard 8.38 as well. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread somewhere (with pics), but I've had friends that have skated them almost exclusively for yeaaaars and their measurements agree.

Yes, same here.

Blue eagle board is not as wide as the advertised 8.5

Green eagle board is wider than the advertised 8.38


Other shapes as per older posts.

[Sedition]

Yes, same here.

Blue eagle board is not as wide as the advertised 8.5

Green eagle board is wider than the advertised 8.38

Yes.

[moonordie]

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Saw an 8.5 PP eagle made in Mexico. Wonder if it would be shitty since PP bit Mexico.....?

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They are still BBS, but price point quality, so for someone who doesn't snap boards easily, it should hold up fine, but for someone who goes through boards, I would not really recommend it.

I had quite a few of them, still do actually, just to see what they were like and they hold up fine for me, but others haven't lasted a session for some people.

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Just got the AH Joe Buffalo deck labelled as 8.5x31.8x14.25 (made in Mexico).
I can confirm the width is off, narrower than my previous dgk 8.38x32.25x14.5.
The length is spot on, the wheelbase is a hair shorter.
To my surprise both decks taper the same amount (width measured over the bolts closer to the tail) and kicks are the same length (I guess thats due to the shorter wb on the 8.5. I measured them from the bolt holes to the tip). Both decks have nice round kicks, not too pointy, although I remember somebody here stated that the 8.5 has a smaller and pointier tail.

Im pretty tall and my previous 4 decks were all 8.38x32.25x14.5 and that shape has treated me well. The only reason I got the shorter 8.5 this time is that all 8.38s available in my area have awful graphics and bottom/top plys colors. Hope that it won’t be too short for my liking. Enough of this nerdy stuff and madness… Maybe someone will find this rant helpful. Here are the measurements for both shapes:
8.38 x 32.25 x 14.5:
8.45 x 32.16 x 14.5

8.5 x 31.8 x 14.25:
8.38 x 31.8 x 14.2

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If I measure absolute edge to absolute edge, my 8.38 (both of them) are close to 8.5.
If I measure only the top ply where my feet are touching, they are a hair wider than 8-3/8” (8.375”)

So, 8.38 seems about right if you measure the stepping surface.

[close]

Edge to edge with a nice woodworking square is always 8.38 for that deck. I was at a shop last week and compared for shits and giggles and it is dead even with the standard 8.38 as well. I think it's pretty well documented in this thread somewhere (with pics), but I've had friends that have skated them almost exclusively for yeaaaars and their measurements agree.

[close]

Yes, same here.

Blue eagle board is not as wide as the advertised 8.5

Green eagle board is wider than the advertised 8.38


Other shapes as per older posts.

Gnar to you sir. Is been ages since I snapped a board and price is tempting + is a homie shop so I might try. Thx.

[Richard Skidder]

Anyone have irl measurements for the 8.5 Grant Taylor Pigeon Vision deck?
Mainly interested in:
Actual width and width at the front truck
Tail length
Actual wheelbase
I have one on the way and typically prefer 8.25
I skated the 8.4 /14.25 and enjoyed it though it did feel a bit long.
If this one measures a tad under 8.5 and really does have that 14” wheelbase it might just be perfect.

[Mbrimson88]

Anyone have irl measurements for the 8.5 Grant Taylor Pigeon Vision deck?
Mainly interested in:
Actual width and width at the front truck
Tail length
Actual wheelbase
I have one on the way and typically prefer 8.25
I skated the 8.4 /14.25 and enjoyed it though it did feel a bit long.
If this one measures a tad under 8.5 and really does have that 14” wheelbase it might just be perfect.

At least if you are in USA it is the shorter one from BBS, not the China one on a regular 8.5 shape.


I looked it up and found one out of stock on Tactics, but the listing still has the measurements:


https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/taylor-pigeon-vision-85-skateboard-deck


SPECS
SIZE   8.5
CENTER WIDTH (IN):   8.5
LENGTH (IN):   31.75
WHEELBASE (IN):   14.0
NOSE (IN):   7.06
TAIL (IN):   6.56



It was said to be the same shape as the Curb Crusher from a few drops back, 8.5 with 14 wb and 31.7 or so length, in case anyone had one of those to check what they thought of it too.

Pretty sure I had seen a few around.



The specific pic, current series "Curb Crushers" white one is 8.75 wide:

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring22/ah-2022-spring2-catalog-05.jpg



Might not be helpful, but I think others have said the board was quite steep compared to other ones.

The Anti Hero Curb Crusher 8.5” with a 14” wheelbase. I wanted to see if I would like a shorter wheelbase, see if the pop really felt lighter and easier. I rode it a few times, but it just felt too cramped and unstable. Also, the shorter nose and tail  and relatively high concave weren’t for me.

@sbr  got one for his son, post here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=85076.msg4111192#msg4111192

And here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=85076.msg4122076#msg4122076

[Richard Skidder]

@Mbrimson88 appreciate the detailed reply. I did find the inactive sku on tactics and they tend to be more accurate than others on measurements but sometimes not so I wasn’t sure. Thanks for finding those posts. I used the ol’ search bar but nothing came up for me ( maybe too wordy in my search). I’m realizing I also should have included that I’m in the US. So many factors for variations! I’ll just be patient and post my results for others upon arrival.

[Mbrimson88]

@Mbrimson88 appreciate the detailed reply. I did find the inactive sku on tactics and they tend to be more accurate than others on measurements but sometimes not so I wasn’t sure. Thanks for finding those posts. I used the ol’ search bar but nothing came up for me ( maybe too wordy in my search). I’m realizing I also should have included that I’m in the US. So many factors for variations! I’ll just be patient and post my results for others upon arrival.

For sure!

Re measurements - You never quite know sometimes - even just looking up the Curb Crusher, I saw one listing from another site which had 14.75 wb, but still the 31.7 length so I knew that one was wrong.

Re Slap search - It is a funny thing sometimes, but as you said, key words, sometimes too many words, or even just sometimes the search fails to load I seem to see a bit, but that might be connectivity issues on my end.


I saw from your other posts, USA - Cone wheels, etc so I thought at least you were going to be getting the BBS shape there too.  Only because not quite everything is up and running for the China boards, that they don't have the shorter shapes, as per Lew Farrell back on page 76 but as you said, just wait and see when it gets there.

[Richard Skidder]

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Anyone have irl measurements for the 8.5 Grant Taylor Pigeon Vision deck?
Mainly interested in:
Actual width and width at the front truck
Tail length
Actual wheelbase
I have one on the way and typically prefer 8.25
I skated the 8.4 /14.25 and enjoyed it though it did feel a bit long.
If this one measures a tad under 8.5 and really does have that 14” wheelbase it might just be perfect.

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At least if you are in USA it is the shorter one from BBS, not the China one on a regular 8.5 shape.


I looked it up and found one out of stock on Tactics, but the listing still has the measurements:


https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/taylor-pigeon-vision-85-skateboard-deck


SPECS
SIZE   8.5
CENTER WIDTH (IN):   8.5
LENGTH (IN):   31.75
WHEELBASE (IN):   14.0
NOSE (IN):   7.06
TAIL (IN):   6.56



It was said to be the same shape as the Curb Crusher from a few drops back, 8.5 with 14 wb and 31.7 or so length, in case anyone had one of those to check what they thought of it too.

Pretty sure I had seen a few around.



The specific pic, current series "Curb Crushers" white one is 8.75 wide:

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring22/ah-2022-spring2-catalog-05.jpg



Might not be helpful, but I think others have said the board was quite steep compared to other ones.

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The Anti Hero Curb Crusher 8.5” with a 14” wheelbase. I wanted to see if I would like a shorter wheelbase, see if the pop really felt lighter and easier. I rode it a few times, but it just felt too cramped and unstable. Also, the shorter nose and tail  and relatively high concave weren’t for me.

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@sbr  got one for his son, post here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=85076.msg4111192#msg4111192

And here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=85076.msg4122076#msg4122076

Came in today and the Tactics measurements are pretty accurate.
Width is 8.5 in the middle but a hair larger at the front truck around 8.6
Wheelbase is just under 14” ( around 13.8 )
All other measurements are correct.
I got a IV in the stack so nice and mellow.
Again, Mexico for me being in the US.
I’ll post a pic in the setup thread once I get a chance to get everything together.

[Cesarr4e]

Guys, I know that this might have been discussed before, but with the recent woodshop changes at DLX, I'm looking for alternatives. I exclusively ride the dreamer shape: 8.38 / 32.25 / 14.5. I live in Spain, so I know that the majority of DLX boards will be china pressed from now on here. Can you guys tell me which BBS pressed brands have this shape. I know that Baker have some, but do you guys have any other suggestions?

Thanks!

[Mbrimson88]

Guys, I know that this might have been discussed before, but with the recent woodshop changes at DLX, I'm looking for alternatives. I exclusively ride the dreamer shape: 8.38 / 32.25 / 14.5. I live in Spain, so I know that the majority of DLX boards will be china pressed from now on here. Can you guys tell me which BBS pressed brands have this shape. I know that Baker have some, but do you guys have any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Sure can.

This is the board I have skated a lot of, so as per past posts, that exact same size is also used for current boards from DGK, Baker, Deathwish, with boards from Birdhouse, Element, Heroin also being those same dimensions on BBS wood, but you might want to check them before buying, just in case the shape has changed or the woodshop has changed, as per some I have seen and skated.  Even DGK come to think of it, which some people had China boards there too.

At least the Baker Boys Dist boards were all BBS, but some places round the world might have started to get other boards.


There were more but right this minute I can't think of any others that really stand out.  The main 8.38 board that most other companies use from BBS is a shorter 14.38 wb with 32 length, so although not too different, it does feel a bit smaller overall, when compared to the usual DLX Dreamer and others as per list above.


I have only read the info on here in this thread and the DLX to China thread, but it seems like people don't find them too different, so maybe even just check them out when they come in and see how you go.  Funny I say that, because I am the biggest stickler for things I am used to and you could say I am a bit unsure how I feel about the other boards, but people who have them say they are good and feel like decent boards, so I am hoping I get to try one soon enough and go from there.