Refugee crisis in Europe.

[Alan]

This just in , ISIS polls themselves and find that they are the savoirs of the world and totaly not evil .  Recep Tayyip Erdoğan polls the world and finds hes the best leader Turkey has ever had , and is the best leader the world has ever seen

A poll about hamas would have very different results in Europe , Israel and Palestine . Specialy if its paid by Hamas 

You admit that surveys are not the truth yet you cant find a reason for Amnesty to pay for a survey that backs what Amnesty wants ?

So you're saying GlobeScan influences results to match what their clients want to hear? You know that AI didn't poll their donors or employees, right? And you actually think that if ISIS paid GlobeScan do do a survey they'd get high approval numbers across the world? This was a global survey, done in 27 countries. You haven't read the data breakdown and you're just talking out of your ass again, aren't you?

And people who are anonymous can say any shit they want without any consequentness . Just look at slap . You ask some random person on the streets sure they would take in 5 puppies , 5 cats , 5 refugees and 5 orphans . But thats not what happens in real life

The results reflect general attitudes, which is why the majority would allow the refugees to enter their country, but only a fraction would take people into their homes. That's realistic.

[Alan]

Speaking of the Austrian elections, I found this and it gave me a good chuckle. (It's in German)

[brycickle]

seems like austria is gonna get a far right wing, chem-trail believing, hate mongering president tomorrow. and he is gonna solve the refugee problem once and for all, just as he promised. 100% sure about that.

i cant believe that so many people here actually fall for that bullshit.

Does he have a solution? A final solution?

[iKobrakai]

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I assume from your post that you didn't read up on survey sample sizes and still don't know shit about statistics. No surprise there. Don't let facts get in the way of your hate.

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Like I said . You believe your biased study by Amnesty that people answered anonymous .

You also believed the "proof" US presented before invading Iraq. And the whole feminist thing.

I wonder how many of those people who said they would allow refugees to live with them have a refugee living with them . Im guessing 0.00000001%

Don't wonder, not your strength. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)

Ill believe how people are voting and the governments are acting.

Great indicator, not like retards change their "political opinion" based on petty feelings. You said youself that you will not vote for Miljöpartiet again.

Im sure Right wing politicians are winning elections cause people want more refugees . 

Great thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

[Smerdyakov]

seems like austria is gonna get a far right wing, chem-trail believing, hate mongering president tomorrow. and he is gonna solve the refugee problem once and for all, just as he promised. 100% sure about that.

i cant believe that so many people here actually fall for that bullshit.

They reanimated Haider?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Does he have a solution? A final solution?

of course. they always have. but lets stick to the myth that hitler was german, we are pretty good at hiding where he actually came from.

They reanimated Haider?

nah, they found some people even worse. haider was too mainstream in the end.

[Monty Burns]

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Does he have a solution? A final solution?

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of course. they always have. but lets stick to the myth that hitler was german, we are pretty good at hiding where he actually came from.

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They reanimated Haider?

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nah, they found some people even worse. haider was too mainstream in the end.

So what are the main problems in Austria besides the refugee situation that has made the people so unhappy and looking for quick fixes ?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So what are the main problems in Austria besides the refugee situation that has made the people so unhappy and looking for quick fixes ?

the refugee situation isnt as bad as media and certain parties make it seem. other than that, the economy crisis hit austria way later than many other countries, so now unemployment has risen. but in the end i guess theres not too many countries where people actually have it better than here. but that wont stop them from complaining, and with this whole refugee mess it became pretty easy to find somebody to blame.

[Monty Burns]

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So what are the main problems in Austria besides the refugee situation that has made the people so unhappy and looking for quick fixes ?

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the refugee situation isnt as bad as media and certain parties make it seem. other than that, the economy crisis hit austria way later than many other countries, so now unemployment has risen. but in the end i guess theres not too many countries where people actually have it better than here. but that wont stop them from complaining, and with this whole refugee mess it became pretty easy to find somebody to blame.

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Beat me to it.  If you're familiar with politics in the area, this is very much the case.  And another thing-- Monty you cant complain about a poll not portraying an accurate statistic of a country and then say that you believe in the voters.  Only a percentage of the population votes and it could be argued that that percentage skews older (definitely the case in the US, I can't account for Europe.)  But it's bullshit to be operating out of fear and hypothetical situations.

About 85% voted in the 2014 Swedish  election so I kind of think its a fair representation of peoples views compared to a study paid by amnesty that people can answer anonymously

Media said about 70+ % will vote in the Austrian election . If its that high I do believe its a accurate representation of what people want and dont want in a election

I dont know anything really about the situation in Austria or if the guy who might win is far right wing . But it is quite worrying if he is far right and got this far . Same with those far right parties that Germany has . Germany and Austria has a troubled history with far right parties so its quite worrying that they are getting so many votes

If you do wanna believe in polls you can look at the Swedish democrats  who started of as a joke with not enough votes to join the government , then the next election they got into the government , after that they have been growing and growing . And if you do wanna belive in polls they are now the third biggest party in sweden with 15-20 %

unless things change in Sweden they will be one of the major powers in the next goverment / election in 2018

Refugee / immigration  / integration is a BIG question now in Sweden . Theres news articles everyday about people with foreign background throwing rocks at buses , trains , police , EMTs , Fire department and civilians . And people getting shot and stabbed almost everyday.

They set fire to cars and when the fire department arrives they get attacked , then police get there and they get attacked

[NickDagger]

Ignore legitimate concerns of people, and they will end up supporting someone who gives their concerns a voice. Observe Trump in the US. Calling everyone ignorant or racist is just lazy liberalism at its finest. True liberals understand the concerns of the working poor, including the white working poor. Observe Bernie below:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

the thing is: its pretty disturbing how focused media is on all kinds of foreign crimes, or even rumors. in the last 4 days, one guy ran amok and shot 3 people and killed himself and another one got caught with 1000s of child porn videos, both "real" austrians. in every other scenario, those news would have been headlines for days. what happened? a few little news bits here and there.
i am not denying that crimes are being committed by refugees, but the fact that every little bit gets blown out of proportion and the news are dominated by this surely is completely fucked.

and thats one of the few points where we agree, nick. the leading politicians here didnt give a shit about most concerns, be it how to deal with refugees (they basically were acting like "lets sort it out itself" instead of trying to have a proper plan until it was too late) or unemployment, retirement funds and 100s of other things. and now they are completely baffled as to why so many people are pissed.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

i dont know if you followed the austrian presidential elections, but holy shit that was close.
the right wing asshole lost by 0.6%. met up with a few friends to see the live stream of the official result. the tension was insane.

as relieved as i am, still nearly 50% of my fellow countrymen decided that a aggressive, hateful, completely prejudiced approach to politics seems just fine. its heartbreaking.

plus i dont look forward to seeing what the future brings.

[Alan]

Van der Bellen sound awfully foreign to me...

[Monty Burns]

i dont know if you followed the austrian presidential elections, but holy shit that was close.
the right wing asshole lost by 0.6%. met up with a few friends to see the live stream of the official result. the tension was insane.

as relieved as i am, still nearly 50% of my fellow countrymen decided that a aggressive, hateful, completely prejudiced approach to politics seems just fine. its heartbreaking.

plus i dont look forward to seeing what the future brings.

Maybe I read it wrong but some article said the president has no real power and theres a future election coming up that will really decide who runs the country . As the problem that the guy who won said he wont swear in the right wing dude if he wins . which cause more problems ?

[weedpop]

Monty, please explain how a poll being anonymous reduces the quality of the data it produces. The whole point of anonymity is to allow people to give their authentic opinion without fear of reprisals. All of the election results that you are pointing to as counter-examples were arrived at through anonymous polling. I know public policy data collection methods probably aren't your strong suit, but this is just so illogical it's making my head spin.

[Monty Burns]

Monty, please explain how a poll being anonymous reduces the quality of the data it produces. The whole point of anonymity is to allow people to give their authentic opinion without fear of reprisals. All of the election results that you are pointing to as counter-examples were arrived at through anonymous polling. I know public policy data collection methods probably aren't your strong suit, but this is just so illogical it's making my head spin.

A poll thats anonymous has no consequences . Anybody can say anything . Somebody could say " Yes I would take in 5 refugees into my own house and take care of them "  But since its just a poll and there will be no follow up it makes it very low quality

Another example is using very attractive girls / men as the people asking people the questions . I know for sure alot of guys and some women would go up and talk to them and say pretty much anything to try to chat them up

A anonymous election actually has consequences . We want our political party to win cause of the benefits it will have on where you live and policies , laws and so on . Voting actually does something

So basicly a poll from amnesty wont make a government change their mind about conducting policies

But a election will since you can conduct it on special policies . laws or changing entire governments


Another example would be SLAP or the internet  , some people act bat shit crazy and say totally ridiculous things . But they dont act like that out in the real world . anonymity lets people say stuff they dont mean and without consequences

[Hercules Rockefeller]

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Maybe I read it wrong but some article said the president has no real power and theres a future election coming up that will really decide who runs the country . As the problem that the guy who won said he wont swear in the right wing dude if he wins . which cause more problems ?

nah you are right, but the problem is this: 49.7% of austrians thought it would be fine to have a president that believes in chemtrails, is highly aggressive towards every kind of foreigner and part of a fraternity that straight up denies that austria has been liberated in 1945 and should be united with germany to protect the "german race". sounds familiar?
the fact that this is ok for so many is frightening.

[NickDagger]

Mass sexual assault reported at music festival in Germany

The attacks are similar to those reported in Cologne and other cities on New Year's Eve

Eighteen women have said they were sexual assaulted at a music festival in Germany.

Three men from Pakistan aged between 28 and 31 have been arrested and police are still searching for three men who may also have been involved.

The attacks are similar to those reported in Cologne and other cities on New Year's Eve, when as many as 1,000 women were groped and robbed.

Police said three women reported being groped at the Schlossgrabenfest music festival in Darmstadt on Saturdaym saying they had been encircled then sexually harassed by a group of men.
By Tuesday, 15 more women had made complaints of being sexually assaulted in a similar manner at the festival.

The three men who have been arrested are asylum seekers from Pakistan. All have been charged with sexual assault charges.

Police have said the number of complaints could rise and are hunting for between two and three more men.

[NickDagger]

[Level 60 Dwarf Paladin]

That had nothing to do with terrorism or islam, come on man.

[Alan]

That had nothing to do with terrorism or islam, come on man.

You know he's just a racist troll, right?

[Alan]

Bump for the World Refugee Day.


For more click here: http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/2016/6/5763b65a4/global-forced-displacement-hits-record-high.html

[NickDagger]

Left-wing German politician who was raped by migrants admits she lied to police about her attackers' nationality because she did not want to encourage racism

Selin Gören was attacked by three men in January in the city of Mannheim
She went to police but did not reveal the ethnic make-up of the suspects
Instead, the 24-year-old said she had been robbed by German speakers
Refugee activist had feared there would be a backlash against migrants

[skateordie]

and the hits just keep on coming:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html

[NickDagger]

Missed the cutoff:

[Alan]

[MYXGAMES2015]

and the hits just keep on coming:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html

Fuck, seriously though...

Sucks for refugees/foreigners, cause most of them aren't terrorists or rapists, but a large enough (but still very small) portion are that Europe has pretty much gone to shit in the past few years because of them. It'd be sort of fucked for Europe to just close its doors, but how many more can you afford to let in? There's gonna be even more violence.

At this rate people will be fleeing Europe in a couple of years

[Alan]

This guy wasn't a refugee, and for now, it looks like he wasn't connected to fundamentalist groups, or even slightly religious.

[Monty Burns]

This guy wasn't a refugee, and for now, it looks like he wasn't connected to fundamentalist groups, or even slightly religious.

ISIS is claiming responsibility for the terror attack . While its true that they can just be taking the credit for the lone wolf attack . 4 other people have been arrested . And ISIS is on social media all the time telling people to attack the west . Even if he was a lone wolf style Jihad attack he could have been spam watching or reading ISIS messages

Kind of like that teenager in denmark who killed her mom after binge watching ISIS videos online .

As for drinking alcohol , eating pork and not going to mosque , Its not uncommon and "allowed" to pretend not to be muslim to conduct attacks according to muslim terror sects

[Alan]

ISIS is claiming responsibility for the terror attack . While its true that they can just be taking the credit for the lone wolf attack . 4 other people have been arrested . And ISIS is on social media all the time telling people to attack the west . Even if he was a lone wolf style Jihad attack he could have been spam watching or reading ISIS messages  

For now there's no indication that ISIS have any connection to the case apart from their claim. The people arrested were close to him, one of them was his ex wife, whom he abused previously. The officials said that the guy wasn't known to them as an Islamist, just a violent, petty criminal. So it is most likely that the police are just trying to find out more about the guy, rather than them discovering a Jihadist cell or whatever.

And judging by the reports, it seems like he was a lone wolf, not a Jihadist lone wolf.