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By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« on: December 22, 2015, 01:38:41 PM »
The stereotype is that Asians are good in math, well that's actually true for me as well.

I was re-watching Stevie's Transworld part in The Reason, obviously well-noted for his long lines and mostly filmed at Love Park. But this time around I couldn't help but dig a bit deeper and pull same interesting data from the video part. I had fun doing this and might make this a regular thing. Anyways, Stevie Williams part in The Reason:

  • Time duration of part = 4m 34s
  • Actual skating from Stevie = 2m 10s or 48% of total part
  • Rest of video part (intro, Kevin Taylor & Josh Kalis) = 2m 20s or 52%
  • Stevie's first line = 40s long or 31% of his skating or 15% of the total video part
  • Stevie's total video clips filmed = 14
  • 11 clips filmed @ LOVE / 2 clips @ The Pier / 1 clip @ Brooklyn Banks

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 01:56:06 PM »
I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 02:14:24 PM »
I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.



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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 02:27:08 PM »
Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 02:33:28 PM »

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 02:35:27 PM »
Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism

-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts Please elaborate
-Occurrence of certain outfits Chris Cole should rank high
-Average pushes between tricks in lines I'd probably start with Brent Atchley - Not much of a pusher
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism Getting into metadata here which is good! Could start with Yeah Right! and total # of manual tricks (littered throughout video) and then 4 years later in Fully Flared the noseslide revert to tailslide is that videos' trendy trick. So much that Matt Bennett learned to do them and posted it to Instagram.

All good feedback, plenty to work with!

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 02:41:35 PM »
Time spent overcoming racial stereotypes and being a role model for black skaters everywhere and getting out the hood- 4m 34s

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 02:42:01 PM »
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Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism

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-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts Please elaborate


All good feedback, plenty to work with!
 Well we could finally calculate who is truly the most east/west coast/midwest/Canadian/European skaters. Even most footage captured on busted asphalt could finally reveal who is the rawest

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 03:39:53 PM »
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 04:04:35 PM »
Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism


Shit this made me lol

There could be negative percentages too:

video parts without transition
video parts without bro hugs/high fives


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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 06:00:03 PM »
Appreciate that statistical breakdown. I feel as if I could have estimated the 2 minutes of actual, most of which were at Love.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2015, 08:02:33 PM »
These, of course, are the old measures or criteria for parts/clips which have fueled many of our debates:

Groundbreaking/NBD

Perceived velocity

Overall trick variation

Switch to natural stance ratio

Stair count/estimated gap size

One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)

Handrail size (length=stair count)/estimated height when contact initiated

Estimated pop size

trick caught or plopped

Naturally occurring structure, purpose built (skater-made) obstacle or modified approach (bondo/angle iron)

Sketch/style meter (faked?)

Clothing trendiness/gaudiness/freshness (makeover?)

Geographic proximity of spot to skater's native origin

Perceived casualness of execution

Point of part that viewer's mind could not process any further

Additional non-skating clips (superfluous or aesthetically enriching)

Thus, I welcome your more quantifiable metrics since many of these old measures are purely subjective.
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 02:24:29 AM »
fuck yeah Lazyeyes, especially the "Point of part that viewer's mind could not process any further". The sooner this point occurs the higher the score
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 07:05:51 AM »
You can be great and overrated. That is Stevie to me.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 07:18:30 AM »
oh man, this thread has some real potential.  nice one Gideon.
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2015, 08:53:41 AM »
All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...


One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)



Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
  • Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
  • This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
  • Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2015, 09:16:24 AM »

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2015, 09:22:44 AM »
All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...

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One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)

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Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
  • Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
  • This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
  • Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs
It's Interesting how this is praised yet Pine seems to add a stair and a flip/board rotation to his progression every part and gets guff for it. It's like 1 flip forward two stairs back, should he be adding 2-3 stairs for every flip to compensate and be loved by all?

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2015, 09:39:25 AM »
I feel like this is going to lead to a published research paper in the field of advanced skateboard video analysis.  That is a great thing.

I would also like to introduce a phrase to the lexicon of skate video nerdery.

In music, the amen break is an oft sampled piece of music.
Amen Break - normal, fast and slow version

I propose the amen break have a completely different meaning in skate videos.

It should be the name attached to a non-skating clip or even the congratulatory aftermath immediately following an especially overwhelming/overstimulating trick in a video.

The effective use of amen breaks in skate video give the viewer a pause to take in the greatness/miracle they have just witnessed.

As an example of effective use of the amen break, give this part as an example
Jake Johnson - Mind Field

It not only gives the video part a rhythm/tempo, but the purposeful use of amen breaks also serves the initial offering of tricks to us in bite-sized appetizer pieces before dealing out the main course.
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2015, 11:13:51 AM »
I always thought Jason Dill's part was interesting in Mosaic:

2 tricks in a pool
1 trick on a mini board

And the above happens in the first 20 seconds of his part. From there his part is:

6 lines in Los Angeles
4 lines in Barcelona

In the 3 years it took to make this video, Jason Dill got useable footage 13 times. Great footage nonetheless.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2015, 01:03:30 PM »
This thread is good for skateboarding.
You know I thought these forums were a for skating not discussing fetishes

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2015, 05:24:16 PM »
In life and online I am moved to remark almost exclusively when I am angered or annoyed, it is posts like these that remind me I need to work on that. Great stuff Gideon Choi, can't wait to see more.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2015, 05:30:32 PM »
Analysis of Greco's parts vs. fashion makeovers please :D

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2015, 09:49:42 PM »
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All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...

Expand Quote

One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)

[close]


Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
  • Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
  • This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
  • Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs
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It's Interesting how this is praised yet Pine seems to add a stair and a flip/board rotation to his progression every part and gets guff for it. It's like 1 flip forward two stairs back, should he be adding 2-3 stairs for every flip to compensate and be loved by all?

[email protected] pine and reynolds in the same sentence.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2015, 03:37:36 PM »
See the popped vs plopped for why one would be revered and the other reviled.
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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2015, 04:00:55 PM »
as a data mining scientist myself i can really appreciate this kind of thread.
somebody/everybody who has the time should keep going and make that "by the numbers"-threadtitle;hashtag;whatsoever  a regular thing.
unnecessary data is the best. even more when some guy is going to analyze it using R doing fancy graphs and stuff.

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2015, 05:03:35 PM »
I love it!

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2015, 08:33:49 AM »
Question? I'm working on some more skate video data, is it better to start a new "By The Numbers" thread each time or just add on to this thread?

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Re: By the numbers - Stevie Williams "The Reason"
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2015, 08:46:42 AM »
Question? I'm working on some more skate video data, is it better to start a new "By The Numbers" thread each time or just add on to this thread?
I'd say either change the thread title to simply "By The Numbers" and it would be fine, just edit your first post and you can change it